Calls to Jihad Are Said to Lure Hundreds of Militants Into Iraq

[radfringe]

Calls to Jihad Are Said to Lure Hundreds of Militants Into Iraq
By DON VAN NATTA Jr. and DESMOND BUTLER

Published: November 1, 2003


LONDON, Oct. 31 — Across Europe and the Middle East, young militant Muslim men are answering a call issued by Osama bin Laden and other extremists, and leaving home to join the fight against the American-led occupation in Iraq, according to senior counterterrorism officials based in six countries.

The intelligence officials say that since late summer they have detected a growing stream of itinerant Muslim militants headed for Iraq. They estimate that hundreds of young men from an array of countries have now arrived in Iraq by crossing the Syrian or Iranian borders.

But the officials say this influx is not necessarily evidence of coordination by Al Qaeda or other terrorist groups, since it remains unclear if the men are under the control of any one leader or what, if any, role they have had in the kind of deadly attacks that shook Baghdad on Monday. A European intelligence official called the foreign recruits "foot soldiers with limited or no training."

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Intelligence officials, who base their assessment of the traffic into Iraq on surveillance of mosques and Islamic centers and on interrogations of terrorist suspects captured inside Iraq, say they have found no connections between the recruits. "Nobody is organizing this move from Europe to Iraq," a senior European counterterrorism official said. "At least it is difficult to analyze and know who is organizing this. This may be just the beginning of a new phenomenon."

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[truthisfreedom]

1. hmm. our own cia manufactured saddam and osama... and now our

invasion has begun manufacturing islamic militants. we sure are good at bad stuff... and it's amazing how much money it is going to cost our children to pay for this spectacular gift for self-destruction.

[Violet_Crumble]

3. I like how the US ignored the warnings...

And there were lots of warnings that attacking Iraq in their farcical 'war on terror' would achieve massive success in turning Iraq into a magnet for Islamic fighters, and that while Iraq was no threat before, it certainly has become a very unstable one now. It's also interesting that the US is quick to label any militant a terrorist, regardless of if their targets are completely legitimate ones like the US military or the illegitimate ones of civilians and aid organisations...

Violet...

[radfringe]

5. Bagdad Bush took the OSTRICH approach on this intelligence

he stuck his head into the sand

basically - the "notion" that Iraq would turn into a terra-magnet was something the CHICKEN HAWKS didn't want to hear...

Just like the intelligence they received in August-2001 about a probable terror attack - they ignored it

I keep flashing on an image of a CIA breifer saying "....iraq would be a magnet for terrorists if we invade...." and there sits Baghdad-Bush (and the rest of them) with their eyes closed, hands over their ears and singing "...laaalaaalaaa not listening...."

[Barrett808]

29. Blowback

Pure and simple.

[Mari333]

2. We all KNEW this would happen.

and it did.
What a F*cking Mess the BFEE has made
Ladies and Gentlemen, do everything to keep your kids OUT of the military. They are being sent straight to their deaths now.

[Rollins]

4. The Bush plan is working perfectly

He created a situation that will draw all the terrorists into a
foreign land so they can be killed and hunted down like the dogs
they are.

</sarcasm off>

As more everyday people get above this problem and talk about just how the Rich Bush handlers have moved into yet another region and are taking the resources and businesses from the colored natives, the more FOX News watching people are going to see the disconnect between the BS they are feed on TV and what their neighbors are talking about.

well I can dream can't I?

[Downeast]

6. I would view this as a good thing.

Lure them all to one country and eliminate them there. Clean them out of the rest of the world. Haven't heard of many terrorist attacks elsewhere in the world since Iraq started.

[Mari333]

8. Tell that to this family................

that its okay for us to have killed 15,000 human beings so far....
for every child killed (for Halliburton and Bechtel and major corporations including the Bush re election campaign), 1000 new terrorists are CREATED by the Bush administration inadvertently by their greedy policies...

[Downeast]

10. Oh Really??

"for every child killed 1000 new terrorists are CREATED"

No way, I just don't believe that one. You must have made that one up.

[Mari333]

11. You need to brush up on your History of the BFEE

and just Follow the Money. In the meantime, what in the world are you doing on a liberal website?

here: start here

http://www.hereinreality.com/

[Downeast]

15. What has BFEE history got to do with it?

What has BFEE history got to do with your statement that "1000 more terrorists are created for every child killed"? Chicken Little politics isn't a likely winner.

[ForestsBeatBushes]

18. Downeast,

I believe I have only about 100 posts now to your current about 50; but, please allow me to let you know I have found out that on DU the BFEE has everything to do with everything. Just a little something I picked up here.

[Downeast]

22. Thanks Forests

I'll have to remember that one.

[leftchick]

12. are you all signed up to go fight them in Iraq?

I am guessing not, only the cowardly would wish this fresh hell on our troops....

[Downeast]

16. Sorry, I'm too old for that.

I did my fighting time in Vietnam.

[Mari333]

19. Im so sorry for you being used as a pawn for that war

but why would you want more kids to be used as pawns for this illegal war too?
www.mfso.org
www.bringthemhomenow.com
There are Vets out there who are against this insanity, and I hope you someday will see how horrible it is.

[Downeast]

24. Don't feel sorry for me.

I have no regrets at all for doing what I did. At least we tried to do something good. It all failed because of politics and the politicians trying to run the war instead of the military people.

[leftchick]

25. it was an unwinable war, aka: Quagmire.....

just like the one we have today in Iraq... QUAGMIRE!

[NickB79]

35. LOL, I see

Losing Vietnam had nothing to do with the MILLIONS of Vietnamese people who didnt want the US soldiers in there in the first place and were willing to die fighting against us, huh? It was all the fault of those damn hippies and politicians.

The only way that war was even remotely winnable was through deploying nuclear warheads against N. Vietnamese cities, if you can call nuking civilians winning.

[bfusco]

21. It's not a good thing

Something to consider is that many who are flocking to Iraq were not previously terrorists and this invasion has sparked anger and frustration and a huge movement among in the Islamic world who wish to fight America for invading and occupying an Islamic country. Al Qaeada, through gloabl cooperation was scattered and driven to the fringes is now renewed and energized. It's naive to believe that because they are in Iraq that they still can't hit the US at home. They still have demonstrated global capabilities from Riayd, Morocco and Indonesia to name a few. Despite all the claims of this adminstration, there is not compelling evidence that Al Qaeda is behind the attacks and they don't know who if it is foregin terrorists, Saddam Loyalists, disgruntled Iraqis or a compination of all that is responsable for attacks.

How do you feel the Iraqis, who are bearing the brunt of this guriella and terrorist war, are going to feel that the US has made their home a front for a guriella war? How will they feel when it's obvious the occupiers can't get a handle on security and stop this violence? Is it possible that they may join the resistance when it is clear the US can't deliver? If you think it's ugly now, just look at Great Briaton's occuupation in the 1920's to get an idea of how bad things well get.

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[SOS]

30. Good? Bad? It is essentially false

The US estimates that between 1,000 and 3,000 foreign fighters have entered Iraq. That would fill about one third of the seats in Radio City Music Hall.
That's one hell of a long way from "Lure them all to one country and eliminate them there."

[GoreGuy]

37. a thousand bombs?

who cares how many seats it would fill, a thousand suicide bombers is not a happy thought.

[SOS]

38. That's not the point.

The notion that ALL Islamic militants will come to Iraq to fight the Americans is false. 2,000 foreign fighters may indeed cause problems in Iraq, but that's not the what the previous posts referred to. Bushco and the poster above seem to think it's a good thing that foreign fighters are coming to Iraq! The Bush theory is that it's better to have Al-Qaeda in Iraq than in the US. It's more ridiculous spin and sugar-coating.
BTW - If only 1% of Iraq's population falls into the anti-US fighter category it's still 250,000. That's double the US troop numbers.

[caledesi]

34. Lure them into one country? Oh that sounds really intelligent...

like flypaper, right? Except for one little detail - they won't be wearing signs that say FLY on them!

And remember this, there are what about 6 BILLION Muslims in the world...Think about it.

[ForestsBeatBushes]

7. If only Al Qaeda hadn't

attacked the USS Cole in Yemen a few years ago (http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/12/11/cole.family.connection), everything would probably have turned out for the better...so tragic.

Well,

NEVER AGAIN!

[Aidoneus]

32. if only the Cole wasn't enforcing genocidal sanctions..

etc..

[izzie]

9. If we look at this site before war I think it would say we knew this would

Has anyone looked?

[leftchick]

13. This was predicted to happen by many way before the invasion.....

the truth is it is probably more like THOUSANDS created.... :(

[Tracer]

14. Last night I saw an interview ...

... with an intelligent and rational-sounding Army Captain in charge of security at a section of the Syrian/Iraq border.

He says he has NEVER seen anyone remotely resembling a jihadist attempt to cross into Iraq.

What he sees all the time are Iraqis driving INTO Syria with truckloads of goods that they can sell at a higher price than in Iraq and empty trucks returning.

He also mentioned that his troops were short of equipment, such as night-vision goggles and binoculars.

Binoculars! Jeez. $87 billion and they can't even provide binoculars?

[fizzana]

17. And just what does a jihadist look like?

n/t

[radfringe]

20. Baghdad-Bush spin on Iraq reminds me

of the underpants elves episode from South Park

The underpants elves had a business plan (of sorts)

Step 1 - steal all the underpants
Step 2 - make alot of money

Baghdad Bush's Iraq plan (of sorts)

Step 1 - invade Iraq
Step 2 - make alot of money

[young_at_heart]

23. I guess "Bring Em On" is working

Is Iraq their rallying point?

[Mari333]

27. PNAC policy is making moderate Islam into Extremist Islam

Probly tripled the recruitment of Al Queda...thanks a lot, assholes.

[caledesi]

31. Gee, seems like their "coalition of the willing" is better than ours.

LOL!

[newyawker99]

33. After seeing today's news I am kicking this one.

:kick:

[bvar22]

36. Bring em on...bring em all on.

bush* and pals have faith in courage of our fighting men and women. bush*/republicans are determined to "stay the course!" They have no problem with the deaths, destruction, maiming, of our children in uniform, or the mass murder of non whites.

The psycho neocon/republicans sleep good....simply because none of them or theirs will ever shed a drop of blood in the bush* wars. No one who benefits from the regressive policies of the republicans (the top 1 per cent) have anything to fear....they benefit from the chaos and destruction. As bush* himself stated, the latest round of murder and maiming are "signs of success". He wasn't lying. The top 1 per cent could not have had a more successful president.