14++++ U.S. troops killed in Iraq ( Breaking CNN)

[Noordam]

This is only on CNN home page at my posting time.


http://www.cnn.com/

At least 14 U.S. soldiers are dead and about 20 others injured after a series of attacks in Iraq today, according to coalition officials. A U.S. military transport helicopter was shot down near Fallujah, killing 13, and separate convoy attacks in Fallujah and Baghdad have left at least one U.S. serviceman dead.

[acmavm]

1. Well they did warn us to expect "something big". I doubt if this is it,

but it's a start. I dread what happens next. I think this is just the beginning.

[leftchick]

2. My count is 18 Dead...that we know of

I watched the CNN report and I heard 1 dead in Baghdad,4 in a vehicle in Falujah, and 13 in the helicopter. This is INSANE! Bring the Troops home.... :(

[Noordam]

4. 14 here is just the copter

there were 20 troops hurt in the crash and some of them are dying.

Bring the troops home NOW.

[northernsoul]

66. don't forget the wounded

hideously burned, severd limbs, psychological damage they'll carry with them for the rest of their days...

[ClintonTyree]

3. Mission Accomplished.

n/t

[loudnclear]

30. The way the FOX whores and other media are spinning this tragedy

makes you want to throw up. My thoughts and prayers go out for the families of these dead soldiers. The blood of these men and women is on the hands of all the Bush cabal as far as I am concerened. This did not have to be. The warmongering, greedy, arrogant, evil politicians that voted for and continue to support this facist regime are just as guilty and I wish them all sleepless nights...oh, and I don't leave out the TV evangelists and funndie Christians that have enabled this mindless support of the American evil empire!
(crying as I type!);(

[suegeo]

49. Bring 'em on

These latest deaths only prove how successful the USA has been in Iraq and how much THEY hate US for OUR FREEDOMS. Thank god the adults are in charge now, and that honor and dignity has been restored.

(In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic.)

[greatauntoftriplets]

5. Here is the Yahoo story.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=1&u=/ap/iraq_helicopter

[Nlighten1]

6. "Bring' em on"...should become the rallying cry for the Dems

[JeebusH]

7. and Zell(out) Miller will be telling everyone how great Dumbya is on MTP

second time I've posted that sentiment, but its gotta be said

[Skittles]

8. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

it's too much - OMG, they were supposed to go on R&R? The families.....my heart is broken.

[leftchick]

9. think anyone has awakened chimpass at the pig ranch

so he can say something brilliant again like how this is "PROGRESS"!!!

:grr:

[DuctapeFatwa]

10. Halliburton's KBR profits leap 80 percent

" HOUSTON, United States (AFP) - US oil industry services giant Halliburton said Thursday its Kellogg Brown and Root unit's profits rose four-fold and sales leapt 80 percent, boosted by work in Iraq (Profits from the unit's operations soared to 49 million dollars in the three months to September from 12 million dollars a year earlier, helped by "government services activity in the Middle East," Halliburton said.

KBR, the engineering and construction division that netted a no-bid government contract to help rebuild Iraq's shattered oil industry, also posted an 80-percent jump in sales to 2.3 billion dollars. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20031029/bs_afp/us_oil_iraq_halliburton_031029181531

[bobthedrummer]

53. Private Military Companies/PMC's are big business for BFEE

The New World Order
http://www.icij.org/dtaweb/icij_bow.asp?Section=Chapter&ChapNum=2

[jayfish]

11. The Filter Must Be Properly Adjusted...

as I cannot find this story on TV, period.

Jay

[ErasureAcer]

13. they mentioned it on c-span

it'll be on the talk shows today too.

can't wait to see how rummy spins this on meet the press.

[leftchick]

18. omg, just saw rummy spinning like a top...

interviewed him on cnn and msrnc. He said he was not sure of actual number killed, or if it was shot down but it certainly crashed...blah blah :puke:

[0007]

43. Rummy should be arrested for murder....

and sent to the hauge.

[ErasureAcer]

12. this war in unwinnable

all this is doing is wasting american dollars while killing our troops and iraqis

this is pointless, especially considering there was never a threat to the USA.

Can heads start rolling in the street over this yet?

[Room101]

14. Fuc*ing bastards- The Dems need to bring up "Bring em on"

14 family lives destroyed :grr:

[dixielib]

15. Is Bush hugging the widows and orphans of these men?

Please help me out...what speech, interview or whatever did
Whistleass say he would be the one to hug the survivors?  I
want to slam the WH hard tomorrow with phone calls, faxes,
emails, etc wanting to know how many he has hugged, how many
injuried he has visited, how many funerals he has
attended...like we don't know the answer is a big, fat 0!

[qanda]

16. Here you go...

George W Bush to Barbara Walters, ABC "20/20," 12/13/02

"There's only one person who is responsible for making that decision , and that's me. And there's only one person who hugs the mothers and the widows, the wives and the kids on the death of their loved ones. Others hug, but having committed the troops, I've got an additional responsibility to hug, and that's me, and I know what it's like."

[dixielib]

21. Thanks pbl

...but I must admit I almost wish now I hadn't asked. I am even sicker now that I re-read the quote. These poor families! Thinking they were going to be seeing their loved ones and now to find out that they will see them only in a body bag! Will the coffins go through Dover without press? That's the way they want it to be.

[qanda]

23. Sorry for making you sicker

And I agree, the reality is worse than the memory. I think I'll log off now and go to church this morning so that I can pull myself together. I'm just very upset this whole thing. Those poor families!

[rocktivity]

54. Welcome to DU, dixielib!

:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

Sorry you couldn't have joined us under pleasanter circumstances, but we need all the "recruits" WE can get!


rocknation

[fizzana]

38. What a lying little weasel

"Others hug, but having committed the troops, I've got an additional responsibility to hug, and that's me, and I know what it's like."

You don't have the first effing clue as to "what it's like" you AWOL dirtbag. Words fail me.

[Sagan]

17. 20 injured my ass......

I see on the CNN scroller where it says "number of dead and injured unkown".. The Pentagon is already spinning this because no way could they put their happy face on 33 killed.

[qanda]

19. Looking at the way that helicopter was burning...

I tend to agree with you. The number of dead is probably way higher than 13. Just makes my heart sick.

[Noordam]

22. That's why I posted a new thread,,,, the number is not fixed

and is going up FAST.

So sad. Alot of families will have their "special plans" for the next two weeks crashed.

[Kinkistyle]

20. "Injured" is a very broad term.

I think sometimes when people see the word "wounded" or "injured" they think cut, or broken bone. Many times its more like lost limbs or horrendous burn wounds.

[dArKeR]

85. Bush/Rumsfeld/Whore Media make them sound like football injuries!

So why doesn't the Whore Media point this out in their publishings/ broadcasts?

Why doesn't a Dem. candidate or other moral Dem. Congressperson or Clinton point this out?

I'm afraid our nation is crumbling because 95% of the Media are Whores, 70% of The People don't care what the truth is, 60% of the Supreme Court are Whores, 65% of the people don't vote and 80% of the Democrats are spineless wimps who don't stand up for Truth Justice and The American Way!

The Media should be sued/RICO for their terrible GOP bias coverage!

I want an Independent Prosecutor to uncover the links between 2 terrorists organizations operating in the US. The GOP and the Whore Media.

[leftchick]

27. I agree...did you see that smoldering wreck?

It is a fucking Catastrophe and they STILL won't tell the truth. Liars all of them. I even get the impression from the reporters on the ground that they are sick of it too....

[deutsey]

24. What a sickening way to greet the news today.

:evilfrown:

[bluedog]

25. were they on their way home?

for a little R&R....oh how my heart breaks for these men and the families that were awaiting them.....they will also be brought home under the cover of darkness....what a mess in Iraq....I say enough..but what can we as a united popeople do ..to stop this madness?

[jonoboy]

26. traitors, traitors, traitors

call the bastards what they are..the whole sorry bunch, Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz Perle every damned lying neocon are the biggest bunch of traitors and scum America has ever seen. Lock them up and throw away the key.

[4dsc]

28. Fox reports troops were going home

for a little R&R.

How fucking sad...

[bfusco]

29. This is so sad

I am so angered, sickend and disgusted that after this comment I will need to log off because I will go crazy if I keep following the news. The world stood in protest and tried to warn these SOB's not to start this and the death, destruction and ultimate destabilization that would occur. I can't put in writing about the bastards Bush, Cheeney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Pearle, etc. It's time for the Democrats to come out full steam against this administration it's disasterous war and the lies and deceptions it was conducted for. I hate that a tragedy has to be used for political gain but these bastards need to go with the hope of salvaging out of quagmire, if that's even possible.

[LittleApple81]

32. Which democrats? In the senate we only have handful true

democrats. the others are DINOs.

[Cooley Hurd]

31. This is unacceptable...

We went to war predicated on a series of lies. These poor men and women will never come home now. There needs to be an Congressional investigation into all of this!!! NOW!!!

I'll be spending the morning emailing my congresspeople.

Goddamn it!!!!!

[wyldwolf]

33. MSNBC has updated the death total to 15!

[greatauntoftriplets]

34. So has BBC

which also says they are still searching for survivors. Toll could rise. Damn *.

[adam_x]

35. Waiting for Dubya to say how we are now really really making progress

and this was an act by terrorists. Can't let people think there is still a war going on. It's sickening how things get spun when our soldiers are killed. Rummy and others will not admit that the helicopter was shot down, they would prefer to say it was an accident. The reputation of this administration is more important than the lives of our soldiers, so they have to spin this in the best light possible so that the public will support leaving our troops there (and more being killed). Another sad day ...

[Military Brat]

36. And we know what bush's response to this will be ...

He'll just worry about his polls slipping.

We all saw this coming from miles away, we knew this day would be upon us. We know there will be more ... we want our soldiers to come home, but dear God, not in coffins.

[DoYouEverWonder]

37. Here's a pic of the wreakage

Looks pretty bad. It will be amazing if anyone onboard survives.





This one looks like they are carrying out one of the dead.


edit: add another pic

[Noordam]

39. looks like a lot more than 14/15 will die.

So sad.

[saigon68]

51. THAT'S A BODY BAG

STUDY IT CAREFULLY-- ITS THE FIRST I'VE SEEN IN IRAQ-NAM

[DoYouEverWonder]

57. Yep

I hope other people save these pictures. They are on Yahoo right now but Yahoo doesn't archive their photos. These will disappear in a few days.

[Vis Numar]

40. Interesting

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/site/user-posts?id=62404

Follow along as the freeper finds out her hubby is in one of the chinooks.

[prolesunited]

47. I can't follow their format at all

Can somebody find that info? If true, I am very sorry for their family. Nobody deserves this.

[Kinkistyle]

48. Wow the cognitive dissonance in that thread is THICK.

The smarter Freeps are having a hard time reconciling the facts and daily body count with the desire to stay uncompassionate bloodthirsty wing-nuts. Its great.

It seems these "Libertarian" Freeps (the ones who are Freeps mainly when it comes to fiscal policy, rather than social policy) are slowly realizing they've been in some sort of war-hungry haze since 9/11 and that the faker in the White House is wearing no clothes. I am seeing alot of disdain from these folks in regards to the more "hardcore" Freeps reactions. Case in point:

------------------------
"To: Dave Elias

Is Fallujah flattened yet? If not, it should be.


216 posted on 11/02/2003 7:06 AM PST by TexKat"
------------------------
"To: TexKat

Why flatten it? That's so impersonal. Why not have our soldiers rampage through the streets putting a cap in everyone they find. Perhaps if you ask nicely they will let you run amok with your gun in the Fallujah maternity hospital. Would you personally be prepared to pull the trigger? I doubt it somehow. So why do you say such things?

I see from your profile you're a mother. I'm surprised then that you don't have a more mature attitude.

224 posted on 11/02/2003 7:22 AM PST by Dave Elias"
------------------------


These are going to be the swing voters who will rally to toss Shrub from office in 2004.

[wabeewoman]

72. Now I know why they're called wing-NUTS

There are some scary, scary people over there.

[Neecy]

41. knowing these bastards...

They'll say that the helicopter wasn't shot down, but 'crashed', so these poor souls aren't listed as combat fatalities.

And just in time for bad news overseats, there's another shark attack (which NBC has covered far more extensively than the story of this crash).

[leftchick]

44. they already are Neecy....

I saw rummy this AM and centcom briefing in Iraq. The line seems to be that the Helicopter "Crashed" until the investigation is done regardless of what the witnesses on the ground saw. It is sickening.

[Neecy]

45. oh, no

They're even spinning the death of 15 people. You're right, it IS sickening.

[hussar]

42. My count 19 KIA

15 in the chinook and 4 in a seperate incident plus many, many injured probably fataly, on their way home on r+r.

My heart goes out to the families of these soldiers.

My hate is in a different direction, all for a lie

[Rose Siding]

50. Up to 24 US dead

15 in the crash
4 in Fallujah
1 in Baghdad
3 or 4 in Abu Ghraib according to this msn front pg article, which also reports the glee of some Iraqis:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?vts=110220030725

[Mari333]

46. I wake up on a Sunday and see this again

and now so many...god, there is no justice or sanity left.
all of them died for nothing.
nothing.
sadness is unbearable, every one of them just kids.

[fizzana]

52. Buried in the AP story is this little item

"In Abu Ghraib, on Baghdad's western edge, U.S. troops clashed with townspeople Sunday for the second time in three days, and witnesses reported casualties among both the Americans and Iraqis. There was no immediate official confirmation.

Local Iraqis said U.S. troops arrived Sunday morning and ordered people to disperse from the marketplace and remove what the Iraqis said were religious stickers from walls. Someone then tossed a grenade at the Americans, witnesses said, and the soldiers opened fire.

The U.S. command said it had no immediate information, but Iraqi witnesses said they believed three or four Americans were killed and six to seven Iraqis were wounded.

Last Friday at the same marketplace, attempts by U.S. troops to clear market stalls from a main road led to sporadic clashes that left two Iraqis dead, 17 wounded and two U.S. soldiers wounded.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031102/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq&cid=540&ncid=716

WTF is going on? They won't even let average Iraqis get on with their lives. It's incidents like this that make the insurgency even stronger.

[VolcanoJen]

55. MESSAGE FROM THE MODERATOR - LBN thread consolidation

Let's keep our discussion about this tragic story consolidated into one LBN thread for the time being.

Although the thread started by prolesunited, this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=195571&mesg_id=195571

was started first, this thread by Noordam has the most up-to-date information. Please refer to prolesunited's thread for the details of the story as it broke.

Please include any new stories or developments in this thread; any new such threads will be locked and linked to this one.

Thanks everyone,
VolcanoJen
DU Moderator

[IndianaGreen]

56. You are going to have more days like today if you choose to remain in Iraq

The only difference between withdrawing the troops now, as Kucinich has proposed, or much later as Bush and the misguided supporters of the "we-broke-it-we-fixed-it" strategy, is the number of names that will end up being etched on whatever monument is erected to the fallen in Iraq.

By bringing the troops home now we are saving lives, ours and Iraqis. By keeping the troops in Iraq, we are wasting lives, and it will not change the outcome: the post-Saddam Iraq will be an Islamist anti-Western country far more dangerous than Saddam ever was.

I want to thank those Democrats that voted for the Iraq War Resolution, perhaps at the prompting of their DLC advisors. This is what you get for that folly! Now, don't compound that mistake with another one. Bring the troops home NOW!

[JackDragna]

60. You got that right.

The Iraqis are learning. This sure as hell won't be the last transport, either airborne or ground, that gets rocketed. We simply cannot keep soldiers safe in the large urban environments in Iraq.

[JackDragna]

58. Everyone should read the MSNBC link to this story..

..Rumsfeld says "We can win this war. We will win this war." Wait. Wait. I thought we won the war already? Mission accomplished and all?

So now people in the media pay attention. Guess it wasn't enough that 15 soldiers might die over two weeks: it had to happen in one day to make the media care. I am so disgusted right now I can barely speak.

[IndianaGreen]

59. The war is not over in Iraq, nor is over in Afghanistan

FUBAR all around and everyone is pulling shit duty!

[VolcanoJen]

61. BBC video report of helicopter crash (SoCalDem's thread)

SoCalDem started a thread early this morning about the BBC site video of the crash; the thread has no been locked in an effort to keep our discussion consolidated into one LBN thread, but those interested can still read the thread, and find the link to the BBC video, here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=195696

Thanks!
VolcanoJen
DU Moderator

[ignatius]

62. Heartbreaking, my condolences to the families and their

loved ones.

Thanks Bush,Cheney, Rumsfield,Wolfowitz, Rice and the rest of the evil empire.

[young_at_heart]

63. I guess this is the price for getting rid of "evil"

Ever since the "evil-doer" spin was begun we have been told the world is now a better place ....is it really?

[Judi Lynn]

64. This article names Ft. Carson as a point of origin for some of the victems

Some casualties from Iraq helicopter crash believed from Fort Carson


By CINDY BROVSKY
The Associated Press
11/2/03 11:02 AM


FORT CARSON, Colo. (AP) -- Some of the American troops killed in the downing of a helicopter in Iraq on Sunday were believed to be from Fort Carson, a post spokesman said.

Lt. Col. Thomas Budzyna was unable to immediately provide further details about the number of casualties or their names or units but said the post was assembling its casualty team.

Units from the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team and battalions of the 10th Special Forces Group were operating in Iraq, as well as national units that assemble at Fort Carson before going overseas. (snip)

(snip) The U.S. Chinook helicopter apparently was shot down by a shoulder-fired missile in central Iraq as it carried troops headed for R&R. Fifteen soldiers were killed and 21 wounded in the deadliest single strike against American troops since the start of war. (snip/)

http://www.nola.com/iraq/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?a0464_BC_Iraq-FortCarson&&news&emergency

[LeftistGorilla]

65. I wonder....

if the anti-aircraft weapon used was American made....

anyways... sad...just sad...

[grasswire]

67. and CNN has spent....

.....the last half hour on a review of Lacy Peterson.

[young_at_heart]

68. Reminds me of Gary Condit's constant coverage

Fox had reporters trailing his every move and it was Condit-24/7 until Sept. 11 intervened.

[Snellius]

69. We're surrounded and time is not on our side

Just from a military point of view, we are in an impossible position. Worse than Vietnam. They can pick us off at will and we can't even tell who's enemy and who's not. It's like that misconceived Operation Acaconda in Afghanistan, where we dropped troops in the mountains attempting to surround the Taliban only to find ourselves encircled in a trap. There is no way of winning this war. Only Bush's desperate and futile attempt to save face will prolong the inevitable.

[michaelbmoore]

74. There is not enough troops

in the military, even if we send everyone, to protect ourselves and protect the rebuilding. Which I think we should do. I think we are guilty of the biggest war crime since, well, WWII. This is more damage than Vietnam!

[Cooley Hurd]

70. LATEST: 3:25pm Sunday - 19 dead today

According to CNN, 16 dead in chopper shoot-down, 1 soldier killed in Baghdad and 2 civilian contractors killed in Fallujah.

And Shrub's in Crawford taking the day off...

[GreenGreenLimaBean]

71. What happens if a large plane is downed out of Baghdad airport?

Now that 2 helocopters have been downed in 2 weeks, the US will
stop or severely curtail copter missions, thereby making land
troops much more vulnerable. What then?? My take is that when
convoys are attacked, the copters are called in to chase away
the bad guys. Now that won't happen, thereby increasing the
number of casualities. This is a stinkin pile of dung!

Only one solution, IMPEACH *bush!

[fizzana]

73. Unfortunately, it's only a matter of time

before a plane goes down.

I notice Yahoo has already removed the story from their front page.

[grasswire]

76. incredible reporting by UPI

Check out the story in my thread over on GD -- UPI had an embed reporter in another chopper. Better check the story and save it if you want it -- likely it will be pulled off the Internet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=635958

[VolcanoJen]

75. Excellent article: First Response: View From Medivac Team

Thanks for the link, grasswire!!

Everyone, check it out. Riveting.

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20031102-103706-1836r

Excerpt:

I'm half-asleep in the back of the Blackhawk after riding on about a dozen such missions over the previous 36 hours. It's about 9:30 a.m. on Sunday, and I'd returned from the last mission just over six hours ago.

As we near the scene, it's clear that something big is happening below us. There are 6 or 8 choppers already on the ground. Sitting in the back of the Blackhawk without a headset to listen to the two pilots, medic and crew chief that fly the missions, I had no idea what was going on.

It did not take long, however, for reality to sink in, when we touch down about a minute later some 30 kilometers (about 19 miles) southwest of Fallujah. About a dozen men from the 82nd Airborne came running at our chopper as though we were bring them casualties. Usually, it's the other way around.

[Chomskyite]

78. Dean and Clark need to get on TV NOW

To both console us and to put this into perspective.

[VolcanoJen]

81. They really do, Chomsykite.

Can't WAIT for Clark's "Wireside Chat" tomorrow night. I hope Dean gets his face on TV tonight, too, to speak to the resistance (US!).

:-)

[Chomskyite]

77. Tell the truth now?

How many of you immediately reached for the liquor when you heard thies news?

I know I have. I'm STILL reaching for it.

[Malva Zebrina]

79. I cannot deal with this

much longer. This is the worst thing the US has ever done. We have done it under a despicable man--a stupid man--and an evil man. We have this man who was not elected,who actually could be said to have couped the process, who claims he speaks to and is spoken to by a god, who has taken billions of our dollars to destroy two countries and has bungled the entire thing--not to mention the lies he told in order to do so--and we, as a country have killed, even murdered, thousands of innocent people--people who were doing nothing to us. I am truly out of whack. Very distressed. I cannot read any more of it. We have the done the worst thing we have ever done as a country since we became a country, and we have done it under an idiot who apparently has not a grey cell in his brain, an ignoramus, who knows nothing of history and does not care to even know. Whose parents encourage his idiocy. He had led this country into a hopeless and hapless quagmire, has deserted the Afgani people who he bombed previously, has fucked up Iraq, and is on a merry jaunt around the US of A collecting money for his campaign! I can]t take this much longer From the WP



One witness said he saw a soldier whose legs were on fire crawling away from the crash site with his hands.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51540-2003Nov2.html

[grasswire]

80. this is not the worst thing....

....the US has ever done. It's just ANOTHER in a series of horrible things committed in the pursuit of money and empire.

Until the people refuse to put up with it, there will be no end.

[Cooley Hurd]

82. I can't help to think what the history books will speak of...

...a hundred years from now. Will this period of American history be expunged like our treatment of the Native Americans, or slavery?

[gauguin57]

83. the freepers say we rejoice

Many of the Freepers' first posted reactions on the subject of today's horrifying deaths talk about how the Democrats must be "rejoicing" over this news. Not words of sadness for mankind, not words of condolence for the families.

A**hole Freepers.

I don't see ANYONE rejoicing (except a few Iraqis at the scenes of these attacks). I know we're all devastated by this.

Let's give Iraq back to the Iraqis, help them rebuild what we bombed into rubble, and get the HELL out of there! And, while we're at it, let's get some competent leadership in Washington!

:kick:

Mister Bush, we're issuing an SOS: Save Our Soldiers!

[Cooley Hurd]

86. In fact, I think we're being more sensitive than they are...

To them, "soldiers die in the name of freedom," but this is an illegal, unnecessary war. I think we here at DU know this, and are deeply saddened by the deaths in vain...

Besides, fuck the Freepers! :evilgrin:

[Kinkistyle]

91. Freepers want to nuke the whole place

Kill the very men, women and children we went there to "liberate". Liberation through extermination. :(

[SoCalDem]

84. Video is up now at aljazeera..

sorry it's in arabic.. the english version of the site has not video or gallery links.. "Out of sight, out of mind?"


http://www.aljazeera.net/showMedia.asp?item_No=183789&videoPath=&oldMediaItURL=1_183789

[dArKeR]

87. At least CNN said 'Bush was fundraising at the time' not available for

comment but Sec. Rumsfeld said bla bla bla... it's a good thing.
(Some kind of vommit like that.)

[Catherine Vincent]

88. Just logged on and clicked on CNN, no mention of what happened.

The top story is some gay bishop being consecrated. I also checked other news items. Nothing about 18 dead. Does anyone have a link? This is really sad.

[kayell]

89. Here's a link

Eighteen Die in Second Worst Day for U.S. in Iraq
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20031102/wl_nm/iraq_dc_57

This won't be the total for the day though, as undoubtadly some of the wounded won't make it. :cry:

[Catherine Vincent]

90. Thanks for the link.