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pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 02:57 PM
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Iraq Rebel War Spirals Out of Control
"as US intelligence loses the plot. . . .The latest violence comes amid increasingly bleak assessments from Washington, . . as a 'classic guerrilla war'. A mark of that failure, say officials, has been the inability of coalition forces and the intelligence and policing agencies available to them to solve any of the major bombings that began in August. . .

'Saddam is playing some role but he is not the only one. Some groups may not even know he is leading them. I think that he is moving around meeting as many of these groups as possible.

'These groups are separate, but work together more and more as the various leaders are contacting each other. Most people are not doing it because of Saddam, but for religious or nationalist reasons."
Guardian
November 2, 2003
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1076100,00.html

Quagmire!
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 02:59 PM
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1. It is not hard to see why Iraqis and their friends don't like the
US military. When innocent civilians are being killed, food is being cut off from people, marketplaces are being stripped of religious symbols, etc., it is easy to see why US military is hated.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 03:00 PM
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2. Dupe... locking
Please continue discussion in the original LBN thread on this topic, which can be found here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=195730&mesg_id=195730

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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 03:03 PM
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3. If YOU were an Iraqi what would YOU do?
If the occupation tanks had roled over your daughter.

If a jet had bombed your family werdding party.

If you went to protest and the troops just panicked and gunned down your grandmother.

Bush is a Brutal unelected dictator here.

Would we RESIST if the Iraqis or Chinese invaded to rid the world of Bush and our weapons of mass destruction (which clearly pose way more of a threat than Saddam EVER did)?

What a fucking mess BUSH and RUMSFELD and the PNAC and KERRY and LIEBERMAN and CLARK and GEPHARDT have gotten us into.

BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW! SAVE THEIR FACES (NOT BUSH'S)!
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 03:03 PM
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4. There it is, "nationalist" reasons
Vietnam was exactly the same way. Afghanistan when Russia invaded, too. It's never about religion or ideology; it's about kicking foreign invaders out of their country. Wouldn't we do the same? Of course we would. But what do we do? How do we get out of this mess, quagmire, clusterfuck, disaster? I haven't a clue.

Chimpy really fucked us. I cannot believe that he would so willingly and brazenly march into war. That stupid simian SOB reaped the whirlwind for all to pay for generations to come. What stupid, stupid man.
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