Rice to warn Europe to back off over detainees

[Thom Little]

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is expected to give allies in Europe a response next week to their pressure over Washington's treatment of terrorism suspects: back off.

.......

Rice will shift to offense when she visits Europe next week, in a strategy that has emerged in recent days and been tested by her spokesman in public and in her private meetings with European visitors.

She will remind allies they themselves have been cooperating in U.S. operations and tell them to do more to win over their publics as a way to deflect criticism directed at the United States, diplomats and U.S. officials said.

"It's very clear they want European governments to stop pushing on this," said a European diplomat, who had contact with U.S. officials over the handling of the scandals. "They were stuck on the defensive for weeks, but suddenly the line has toughened up incredibly," the diplomat said.



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[saigon68]

34. She's an UGLY War Criminal

[warrens]

2. Yeah, giving our allies the finger over torture

Is going to be so effective. Look at how well it has worked over the past five years. They like us, they REALLY like us!

[cliss]

12. Yup. Watch the tone change, real fast.

I read Swedish newspapers online every day. Amazingly, it seems like the Swedes actually like Condi Rice! Not like here.

They call her "a babe", and "a hot number" and so on. Not so much about the politics, but they seem to admire her....not sure why....I think she's disgustingly ugly, but maybe that's just me.

NOW watch the tone change.

[0007]

74. I've always gave the Swedish folks high marks for having good sense,

I wonder what they think of Linda Tripp or Paula Jones? Are these more hotties?

Condi hot? Gee, what am I missing

[depakid]

3. So, um- what's she going to do if they don't?

Give them a "stern talking to?"

It's not like the US is flush with options at the moment.

[saigon68]

37. SHE WANTS TO MINIMIZE THE "UNPLEASANTNESS" BELOW

[Peace Patriot]

42. This photo ought to be the Democrats' campaign poster for '06 and '08.

This says it all about Bush and his Cartel, and what they have done to our country, and to others. That bright little girl face, with the white teeth and the curl on her forehead--well-fed, untroubled, confident--and careful, even has her rubber gloves on. So American! And that very dead, tortured body, with its expression of agony. Could be Christ crucified.

What more is there to be said about George Bush, and Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld, and Condaleeza Rice?

Just hold up that poster, with the words, "What next, America?"

And then, when we get Diebolded again, maybe we won't take it any more.

[DavidDvorkin]

4. Yeah, Europe, do something about your publics

Your people are so stuck on those silly ideas about freedom and rights. We're the only ones who're allowed to talk about that and pat ourselves on the back.

And if you need help getting your publics to shut up about that stuff, we can give you advice.

[Benhurst]

5. Beauty is as beauty does. As for Condoleezza ... . NT

[shance]

6. Keep in mind, these detainees could be anyone the Bush/CIA. doesnt like

We have no idea who these people are that they are kidnapping and taking to a foreign land.

This is of course what it is in the mildest sense. Kidnapping.

It is kidnapping of people who for all we know are totally innocent of any crimes, other than the fact the Bush/CIA need to be rid of them? Our own Executive Branch is kidnapping people that some must be Americans. That in and of itself is irrelevant. They are kidnapping individuals and we have no idea who they are and where they are going.

[marmar]

7. How do you say....

Go fuck yourself in French, German, Spanish, Dutch and Flemish?

:think:

"cause I'm sure that's what Condi will be hearing.

:nopity:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

10. I hope she hears that phrase in every European language

:grr:

[President Kerry]

47. i'm sure she'll hear that plenty in English too, both there

and when she comes back here. I'll put in my two cents in Russian.

Ischezni s lica zemli Condi!

She'd understand that too, she speaks my language.. Stalin would be so proud of a great follower.

[Kagemusha]

8. Multiple readings of "shift to offense" here...

...and they're probably all true.

[redqueen]

9. Well that's disheartening.

Let's hope people in Europe don't warm up to the idea of torture as people here apparently have.

[dusmcj]

11. being a member of the civilized world

ain't free. there are standards to follow. we seem to have a problem understanding this.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

13. By all means...let's threaten them, too! It'll take another generation...

...or two to repair the diplomatic damage created by these traitors.

[54anickel]

14. Is there a veiled threat in there some where?

She will remind allies they themselves have been cooperating in U.S. operations...

Makes you wonder in what ways did they cooperate and were they aware of what was going on? What did we get the rest of the world to partake in while * had all that political capital on his side in his War against Terror?

I'd also like to know more about that "test balloon".

...a strategy that has emerged in recent days and been tested by her spokesman in public and in her private meetings with European visitors.

[leesa]

39. I'm glad she said that. NO ONE will EVER be so stuoid as to cooperate

with the US again. Now they are war criminals.

[54anickel]

40. Yes, seems she's pulling the "guilt by association" card. eom

[applegrove]

15. Seems soft power is for the allies. Used to be it was for enemies and

rogue states.

[Earth_First]

16. Rice: "Back off" Me: "Fu*k off"

ssia

[HockeyMom]

17. WARN them or WHAT?

US will invade EUROPE too?

[Solon]

19. One can only hope it would be the other way around...

We need liberating dammit!!!!!! Plus, at this point in time, they would kick our asses.

[blonndee]

29. I share your sentiment to some degree; however, it's up to us first and

foremost, dontcha think?

Don't think the wish hasn't crossed my mind, though. I wonder if they ever really would. What would it take, anyway?

[Selatius]

50. Too many lives

History tells me the Germans on the left and many in the middle tried and failed to contain their own problem of Hitler. He won, and they were all persecuted under Hitler's power, and the rest of Europe would be left vulnerable to Hitler's brutality.

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.

by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945

[VegasWolf]

18. Next week: The Unveiling of Omarosa Rice! Stay tuned! nt

:puke:

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

20. So the Neocons are hiding behind her skirt

CHICKENHAWK WIMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pinniped]

21. Thanks for the laugh, I always look forward to reading about...

Condosleeza's comedy "warning" routine.

Does anyone know if she was beat up a lot as a kid?

[area51]

22. "Rice to warn Europe to back off over detainees"

I hope Europe tells psycho Condosleaza to go fsck herself. Make her run home crying to her fake "husband" (GW Hoover).

[cantstandbush]

23. Either Europe represents their own people or they represent the US.

The people of most European countries did not want this invasion and occupation of Iraq and they certainly don't want the US policies endangering their countries even more.

[Theduckno2]

24. Bushco has tried the 'toughguy' routine before.

That didn't stop Spain from selling military equipment to Venezuala(Hugo Chavez).

Maybe Condi should see if there are funds available in the State Department budget to place pro-American news reports in the European media. I am sure the DoD could provide the necessary expertise. That would be the easiest way to win over the European publics. Given the Bushco modus operandi, it would surprise me if they haven't already tried to do just that.

edit: spelling

[Hardrada]

25. What a dumbfuck excuse for a Secretary of State who goes

all over threatening people! American Diplomacy is even more of an oxymoron then before.

[daleo]

26. Rice: Back off or we'll squeal on youse mugs.

We know you been cooperatin', see. And youse better be careful or we'll rat you out to your voters. How do you like them apples, you dirty rats...(using best Jimmy Cagney accent).

[Chicago Democrat]

27. Europe should kick out American Troops and Embassies...

for a start. Then they should embargo us. Then they should go and forcebly close the torture camps.

[drhilarius]

28. You know, when our DIPLOMATS are belligerent...

we're in a bad fucking spot.

[BenDavid]

30. bush knew!

Bush knew that 11 soldiers were killed in Iraq before he went into the rose garden to give some good news on the economy Friday morning. As you will recall he did not mention it. 26 minutes later after his speech the news broke to the press. McCellan said bush knew before he gave the speech....

[madmark]

31. Well I hope Europe understands that 65-70% of the US is

appalled at their government's torture/anti-geneva convention policy.

[Martti]

32. That we might understand...

What we cannot figure out here is, that how come you Americans are not on the streets DOING something about it.
Your foreing "policy" looks genuinely frightening from over here.

[MsLeopard]

38. It feels genuinely frightening here too

I wonder myself why we're not in the street doing something about the rape of America and the dreams of empire held by the * cabal. I've been to every protest in my area since 2002, but living in a red area of a blue state it seems we're only seen as an aberration.

You can bet if the roles were reversed, if the Rethugs were to suddenly find themselves out of power, they would be roaming the streets in gangs (as in the FL vote recount in 2000) raising holy hell. We Dems are just too peaceful. And we keep hoping they will implode from within - which looks a little more possible these days with all the scandals emerging, finally.

[AspenRose]

46. Some of us are trying...but they try to quash dissent over here, too.

Via threats, police brutality, etc.

The "Patriot Act" is designed to facilitate the roundup of dissenters.

[Jacobin]

51. Protestors are put behind fences

If they try to get out to be seen, they are sprayed with tear gas and arrested.

Storm troopers run this country and the people are cowed.

This country really is very very dangerous. In some ways worse than 1940's Germany because it has lots of nuclear weapons

[No Exit]

33. Europe to tell Rice to fuck off over her warnings to back off

...I hope!

[President Kerry]

73. man, i was hoping for a link on that. lol. n/t

[NewJeffCT]

35. what authority do we have on this issue?

I'm sure we just have oodles of moral authority these days in Europe.

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[President Kerry]

48. no, please keep her.. Please don't send her back!

[strizi64]

63. hehe, let's send her to Pakistan n/t

[0007]

41. Listen up boys, da gun moll is gonna speak and I don't wannta

see anyones giving her any lip, see?

[Mr_Spock]

43. Fuck off Rice you god damned sycophant

You are NOT wanted in this country - move to Saudi Arabia or something you anti_American piece of crap.

[Briar]

44. Trust us?

"Irish Foreign Minister Dermot Ahern said Rice told him in Washington she expected allies to trust that America does not allow rights abuses -- a sign she will avoid giving Europe a detailed response on U.S. intelligence work."

You have to earn trust - the US has lost all right to any.

[President Kerry]

49. Condi, what have you EVER done to deserve trust?

Goddamn war criminal.

[sweetheart]

66. That is the most disturbing remark

They believe themselves holy and above question, "trust us"

If she said that to me, i'd have spit on her face.

For all the millions of persons consumed by the american prison
system, the evil american government is a most vile destroyer
of human rights, right as the poisonous words leech out of
the toxic waste barbie doll of state.

I hope they leave her corpse on display after she dies.
It will be nice to watch her decompose.

[sakabatou]

45. Hey Rice...

Up yours.

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53. Rice rejects EU protests over secret terror prisons

Rice rejects EU protests over secret terror prisons

America does not break international law, Secretary of State insists

by Antony Barnett and Jamie Doward
Sunday December 4, 2005
The Observer

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will inflame the transatlantic row over America's alleged torture of terror suspects in secret jails by telling Foreign Secretary Jack Straw and other European officials to 'back off'.

Rice, who arrives in Brussels tomorrow for a meeting with Nato foreign ministers, has been under pressure to respond to claims the US has been using covert prisons in Eastern Europe to interrogate Islamic militants. Human rights groups have alleged the CIA is flying terror suspects to secret jails in planes that have used airports throughout Europe, including Britain.

Rice's refusal to answer detailed questions on what has become known as 'extraordinary rendition' will anger many in Europe. Last week Straw wrote to Rice asking for clarification about some 80 flights by CIA planes that have passed through the UK. European politicians and human rights groups claim the flights and use of a network of secret jails breach international law.

State Department officials have hinted that Rice's response to Straw and other European ministers will remind them of their 'co-operation' in the war on terror. She is expected to make a public statement today stressing that the US does not violate allies' sovereignty or break international law. She will also remind people their governments are co-operating in a fight against militants who have bombed commuters in London and Madrid. She will drive home her message in private meetings with officials in Germany and at the EU headquarters in Brussels.
(snip/...)

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1657289,00.html

[dkofos]

54. She can deny it all she wants

She is still complicit in crimes against humanity.

Off to the Hague with her.

[ShockediSay]

61. BushSpin n/t

[President Kerry]

55. How's it feel to be an international outlaw, Condi?

There's no hell hot enough for you and your sorry boss.

[Theduckno2]

56. When Condi makes a statement about the human rights record.......

of another country, I bet she expects to be listened to. The brazen gall of Bushco has no bounds, "Nothing to see here. Move along."

By the way Condi, which international laws didn't you break and which ones were "quaint"?

Much as it saddens me to say it, I think the Hague should be the destination for Bush and his war supporting cast.

[alfredo]

57. If we're doing nothing wrong, why is she telling the EU to back off?

Why did she have to claim that they are complicit in a crime she says she hasn't committed?

[Selteri]

58. You caught the line I was thinking to comment on as well.

Why is she making the argument that they don't want to criticize the US for being complicit when they've supposedly done nothing wrong?

[alfredo]

59. Wasn't she one of those that signed off on torture?

In the name of justice, Rice, bush, Cheney, wolfowitz, Rummy, and others should be charged with war crimes.

I think she stuck her foot in it with her threats.

[tocqueville]

60. They are sawing the branch they are sitting on...

90% of the valuable intelligence the US is getting about Al Quaeda is coming from Europe. It's valuable because it's not extracted through torture but through infiltration and classical police investigation. Thus reliable. The Europeans expect the CIA to play by the rules for mutual benefit. The time when the CIA sneezed and Europe got a cold is over. It might be the contrary, they need us more than ever. So cooperating is the option, arrogance leads nowhere. But it's too hard for the cons to understand, they still believe they live in the 70s.

I just saw a TV report that told that the CIA flights went "unmarked" because they were private. The results of Rice's denial will be that the security check of chartered private flights will be increased. If the inspectors find a bound, blindfolded brown guy aboard, they will surely act.

Probably it will lead that the CIA flights are going to take another route : Latinamerica - Africa - Middle East - Asia. The short way over the pole is over.

[pinniped]

62. Give Beavis (Butthead?) a tour of the Tower of London.

.

[lostexpectation]

71. Central Intelligence Agency

many activist have been spotting these planes for years, only now MS papers and politicians are kicking a bit of stink up, is there any worldwide grouping plotting the movements of these planes daigrammatically from airport to airport across the world.

For instance in Ireland politicians have to forced to admit that the CIA planes have stopped in Shannon but then say that there is no proof any renditioned prisons were on them, To me it doesn't matter, whether it be CIA personal involved in black ops or kidnapped prisoners on the planes at any one time its the same crime.

So is there any grouping tracking the planes in visual way to connect the date from so many countries which is now solidfying?

[ngGale]

64. Do us a favor and keep her....

puleeze...:evilgrin:

[sweetheart]

65. Rice rejects EU protests over secret terror prisons

America does not break international law, Secretary of State insists

Antony Barnett and Jamie Doward
Sunday December 4, 2005
The Observer

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will inflame the transatlantic row over America's alleged torture of terror suspects in secret jails by telling Foreign Secretary Jack Straw and other European officials to 'back off'.

Rice, who arrives in Brussels tomorrow for a meeting with Nato foreign ministers, has been under pressure to respond to claims the US has been using covert prisons in Eastern Europe to interrogate Islamic militants. Human rights groups have alleged the CIA is flying terror suspects to secret jails in planes that have used airports throughout Europe, including Britain.

Rice's refusal to answer detailed questions on what has become known as 'extraordinary rendition' will anger many in Europe. Last week Straw wrote to Rice asking for clarification about some 80 flights by CIA planes that have passed through the UK. European politicians and human rights groups claim the flights and use of a network of secret jails breach international law.
.
.
<snip>


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1657289,00.html

[Clara T]

67. Rice Rejects EU Protests Over Secret Terror Prisons (Says "Back Off")

Rice rejects EU protests over secret terror prisons

America does not break international law, Secretary of State insists

Antony Barnett and Jamie Doward
Sunday December 4, 2005
The Observer


US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will inflame the transatlantic row over America's alleged torture of terror suspects in secret jails by telling Foreign Secretary Jack Straw and other European officials to 'back off'.

Rice, who arrives in Brussels tomorrow for a meeting with Nato foreign ministers, has been under pressure to respond to claims the US has been using covert prisons in Eastern Europe to interrogate Islamic militants. Human rights groups have alleged the CIA is flying terror suspects to secret jails in planes that have used airports throughout Europe, including Britain.

Rice's refusal to answer detailed questions on what has become known as 'extraordinary rendition' will anger many in Europe. Last week Straw wrote to Rice asking for clarification about some 80 flights by CIA planes that have passed through the UK. European politicians and human rights groups claim the flights and use of a network of secret jails breach international law.

State Department officials have hinted that Rice's response to Straw and other European ministers will remind them of their 'co-operation' in the war on terror. She is expected to make a public statement today stressing that the US does not violate allies' sovereignty or break international law. She will also remind people their governments are co-operating in a fight against militants who have bombed commuters in London and Madrid. She will drive home her message in private meetings with officials in Germany and at the EU headquarters in Brussels.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1657289,00.html

[punpirate]

68. And, if Kindasleezza...

... says to the Europeans that "the US does not violate allies' sovereignty or break international law," they will know that she is lying.

This administration's unilateralism is not shielded by its determination to intimidate other countries into accepting what we do in the so-called "war on terror." The EU has very specific rules in accordance with international law--they know what violates that law.

Kindasleezza's protestions otherwise will not sit well with many countries in the EU. She's going to Germany to get Merkel to kiss Bush's ass in this regard, but if Merkel does, the Germans are going to be outraged.

This is, at its roots, strong-arming masquerading as diplomacy.

[SpiralHawk]

69. "I did not have Extreme Rendition with that man, Mr. bin Hidin" - Condi

eom

[Warren Stupidity]

70. May I please use the "C" word about this woman?

Creepy. There, I said it. She gives me the creeps. Do her fangs come out as she hisses 'back off'? Is she channeling golum?

[TankLV]

72. Fucking WAR CRIMINAL!

Gad, these creatures are so full of themselves!

I hope "europe" bitch slaps her royally!