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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:34 AM
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African Church anger over gay bishop
From BBC News:

Leaders of the Anglican Church in Africa have condemned the appointment of the first openly gay Anglican bishop. Archbishop Peter Akinola, leader of the Nigerian Church, said the consecration of Gene Robinson meant a "state of impaired communion" now divided the Church worldwide. "We deplore the act of those bishops who have taken part in the consecration," he said in a statement on behalf of the Primates of the Global South, said to represent over 50 million Anglicans. The Right Reverend Robinson - who has lived with his male partner for 15 years - was formally made bishop in a colourful but controversial ceremony in the American state of New Hampshire on Sunday. Irish Primate Archbishop Robin Eames, who heads a commission given the task of preserving the Church's future, said he hoped a looming split could be avoided.

The Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams - the spiritual head of the Church - said the divisions arising in the global Anglican Communion following the consecration were "a matter of deep regret". Bishop Robinson's appointment would not be accepted throughout the church, he said. A spokesman for the Ugandan Church, Jackson Turyagyenda, said on Sunday his Church would maintain an earlier position to disassociate itself from the New Hampshire diocese. One Kenyan bishop, Thomas Kogo, told AFP news agency he would sever all connections with the Anglican Church in the whole of the United States. There has been no official statement as yet from the Kenyan Church.

Elsewhere the bishop of the Australian city of Sydney, Peter Jensen, criticised the appointment, saying his diocese could not recognise Bishop Robinson as fulfilling the criteria laid down in the Bible for a bishop. Thomas Brown, the bishop of the New Zealand capital Wellington, said he agreed with the Church resolution that homosexual practice was incompatible with scripture, but acknowledged the autonomy of separate parts of the Church. Archbishop Robin Eames said that while the Church was entering "unknown territory" its leaders had made it crystal clear that they wanted to maintain unity. "I don't think you can prevent a realignment," he told the BBC, "but I sincerely pray we can prevent ... a split." He said the Church would aim to minimise the damage as it did following the ordination of women priests in 1992. "We're still here, because we looked at ways in which the pastoral guidelines could be accepted across the world to maintain the highest possible degree of unity, and I believe we can do it again," he said.

Sunday's consecration service, at a specially converted ice-hockey arena in the town of Durham, was held amid tight security, with police on rooftops and in heavy presence on the street. About 4,000 people, including 50 American bishops, as well as Bishop Robinson's family and parishioners, attended the ceremony. Outside, protesters and supporters of Bishop Robinson were kept apart by mounted police, while a separate service for those against the consecration took place in a church in another part of the town.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3236613.stm

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rjbcar27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:39 AM
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1. It's crazy
Edited on Mon Nov-03-03 10:40 AM by rjbcar27
They're all bent out of shape about this appointment because he's admitted he's gay.

Does it occur to them that there must be hundreds of clergy who are gay abd are just keeping quiet?

Fuck 'em, I don't care about the church.
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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:01 AM
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3. Even more...
stupid... is that people's official stance, as repeated in almost every newspaper, is that they are against "gay relationships".

Which begs the question, if he's not having any "gay relationships" let alone any relationships, what exactly is the problem?
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 12:12 PM
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10. Crazy?
Maybe, but it's hard to be indignant about something, or someone, that you do not know, or know about. hey, it could be worse.
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Fish Eye Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:01 AM
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2. I am so glad to see
that stupidity is not just an american thing!!

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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:06 AM
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4. Niger?
Are they sure this is news and not just junk spam emai?

:evilgrin:
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Paschall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:08 AM
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5. What has Desmond Tutu said?
I haven't seen a statement from him?
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histohoney Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:18 AM
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7. What can he say?
He is not a Bishop in the Anglican Church. I think he is either Catholic or Methodist(Yes I know the Methodist Church started out with the Anglican Church, but they have totaly different governing bodies.)
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:30 AM
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9. No...
Tutu is Anglican.

BTW, here's a quote from him from 1995 regarding homosexuality:


"It is sad indeed that we as a church have more often than not turned our back on a significant portion of God’s people on the basis of their sexual orientation. We have inflicted on gay and lesbian people the tremendous pain of having to live a lie or to face brutal rejection if they dared to reveal their true selves. But oppression cuts both ways. Behind our ‘safe’ barriers of self-righteousness, we deprive ourselves of the rich giftedness that lesbian and gay people have to contribute to the whole body of Christ"

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Paschall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 12:37 PM
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11. I thought I remembered something of this kind from Bishop Tutu
Thanks for the quote. I hope he'll speak up for his fellow Bishop Richardson. Tutu rocks!
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:10 AM
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6. African and Australian Bishops Can Bite Me
Studity and ignorance is a world wide problem. What amazes me is that Africa has the highest AIDS/HIV numbers in the world, it shows what a stellar job these churchmen are doing in their own country.

As for the Australians, well they have tended to look the other way in the treatment of Aborigines, so their tainted as well.

My personal view is that the people of New Hampshire made this choice,
and they seem satisfied with it.

By the way if anyone has the information, how many women priests are part of the Anglican Church in Africa and Australia?

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AlabamaYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:23 AM
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8. "Biblical" has replaced "Christian"
It seems to me that those who have gotten so enraged about this whole mess have hteir noses so buried in "THE BIBLE" that they have lost sight of hte cross. The whole notion that Jesus died and was resurrected to savel all people, and their role on earth as Christians is to respond to that gift of salvation by serving all of mankind.

The convocation called by the Bishop of the Alabama Diocese degenerated into a mob scene, with one priest - a youth minister at that - practically foaming at the mouth with rage against Bishop Robinson's consecration. Friends of mine who attended it were absolutely shocked and sorrowful at this absolutely un-Christian, and certainly un-Episcopalian, display of anger and unreason.

It almost seems that there is a palpable evil abroad that is turning everything that is good into ashes. I grieve for my church, and the world.

Peace
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