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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:02 PM
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French Told CIA of Bogus Intelligence
Edited on Sun Dec-11-05 12:06 PM by cal04
The foreign spy service warned the U.S. various times before the war that there was no proof Iraq sought uranium from Niger, ex-officials say.
More than a year before President Bush declared in his 2003 State of the Union speech that Iraq had tried to buy nuclear weapons material in Africa, the French spy service began repeatedly warning the CIA in secret communications that there was no evidence to support the allegation. The previously undisclosed exchanges between the U.S. and the French, described in interviews last week by the retired chief of the French counterintelligence service and a former CIA official, came on separate occasions in 2001 and 2002.

The French conclusions were reached after extensive on-the-ground investigations in Niger and other former French colonies, where the uranium mines are controlled by French companies, said Alain Chouet, the French former official. He said the French investigated at the CIA's request. Chouet's account was "at odds with our understanding of the issue," a U.S. government official said. The U.S. official declined to elaborate and spoke only on condition that neither he nor his agency be named. However, the essence of Chouet's account — that the French repeatedly investigated the Niger claim, found no evidence to support it, and warned the CIA — was extensively corroborated by the former CIA official and a current French government official, who both spoke on condition of anonymity. The repeated warnings from France's Direction Generale de la Securite Exterieure did not prevent the Bush administration from making the case aggressively that Saddam Hussein was seeking nuclear weapons materials.

It was not the first time a foreign government tried to warn U.S. officials off of dubious prewar intelligence.
In the notorious "Curveball" case, an Iraqi who defected to Germany claimed to have knowledge of Iraqi biological weapons. Bush and other U.S. officials repeatedly cited Curveball's claims even as German intelligence officials argued that he was unstable and might be a fabricator. The case of the forged documents that were used to support claims that Hussein was seeking materials in Africa launched a political controversy that continues to roil Washington. A special prosecutor continues to investigate whether the Bush administration unmasked a covert CIA operative in a bid to discredit her husband, a former diplomat whom the CIA dispatched in February 2002 to investigate the Niger reports.

The diplomat, Joseph C. Wilson IV, like the French, said he found little reason to believe the uranium story. The investigation into the leak led to the indictment of Vice President Dick Cheney's former Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby on charges of obstruction of justice and perjury. The French opposed U.S. policy on Iraq and refused to support the invasion. But whether or not that made top U.S. officials skeptical of the French report on Niger, intelligence officials from both countries said that they cooperated closely during the prewar period and continued to do so. And the French conclusions on Niger were supported by some in the CIA. The CIA requested French assistance in 2001 and 2002 because French firms dominate the uranium business internationally and former French colonies lead the world in production of the strategic mineral. French officials were particularly sensitive to the assertion about Iraq trying to obtain nuclear materials given the role that French companies play in uranium mining in France's former colonies.

rest of the article, worth reading
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-niger11dec11,0,3678379.story?coll=la-home-headlines
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:04 PM
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1. vote this one up
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:06 PM
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2. Verifies the information we now have from other sources. Disgusting.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:12 PM
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3. The Story That Didn’t Run - (Rove at work)
The Story That Didn’t Run
Here’s the piece that ‘60 Minutes’ killed for its report on the Bush Guard documents

By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball
Newsweek
Updated: 5:24 p.m. ET Sept. 22, 2004


Sept. 22 - In its rush to air its now discredited story about President George W. Bush’s National Guard service, CBS bumped another sensitive piece slated for the same “60 Minutes” broadcast: a half-hour segment about how the U.S. government was snookered by forged documents purporting to show Iraqi efforts to purchase uranium from Niger.

The journalistic juggling at CBS provides an ironic counterpoint to the furor over apparently bogus documents involving Bush’s National Guard service. One unexpected consequence of the network’s decision was to wipe out a chance—at least for the moment—for greater public scrutiny of a more consequential forgery that played a role in building the Bush administration’s case to invade Iraq.

A team of “60 Minutes” correspondents and consulting reporters spent more than six months investigating the Niger uranium documents fraud, CBS sources tell NEWSWEEK. The group landed the first ever on-camera interview with Elisabetta Burba, the Italian journalist who first obtained the phony documents, as well as her elusive source, Rocco Martino, a mysterious Roman businessman with longstanding ties to European intelligence agencies.

Although the edited piece never ended up identifying Martino by name, the story, narrated by “60 Minutes” correspondent Ed Bradley, asked tough questions about how the White House came to embrace the fraudulent documents and why administration officials chose to include a 16-word reference to the questionable uranium purchase in President Bush’s 2003 State of the Union speech.

But just hours before the piece was set to air on the evening of Sept. 8, the reporters and producers on the CBS team were stunned to learn the story was being scrapped to make room for a seemingly sensational story about new documents showing that Bush ignored a direct order to take a flight physical while serving in the National Guard more than 30 years ago.


Con't-
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6073449/site/newsweek/
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:34 PM
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26. The result of this: Republicans can call Joe Wilson a liar.
On the front page of their rag, National Review, they called Joe a liar, when the fact is that every Republican is a liar.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 03:50 PM
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32. WOW
So Rove concocted this fake document TANG story to supplant the REAL story about lies used to send the US to war. And Rather was the fall guy.

They sure got a great payoff from this little scam.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:18 PM
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4. But the whole world thought that he had ......
except France.
Oh, and Italy ...and uh, Germany ... oh, and Russia ..... . . ......

(oops)
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:04 PM
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5. and state, DIA, CIA, NSA, - but they don't count.
Because Darth Cheney knew better than anyone else in the whirled.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:01 PM
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6. with all the info "out there" to discredit BushCo in 02-03, M$M couldn't
find or report on any of it.
Disgraceful
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:31 PM
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7. Rove's move was good.
Edited on Sun Dec-11-05 02:32 PM by fshrink
From his perspective of course. You own the media, you have a credible Nemesis, you have a weak opposition: you fabricate what you need and you go. This was the right time to implement the PNAC agenda of long-term destabilization of the ME and to put this country in a war dynamic, with the virtually endless political leverage it allows.
This is what happens when you give any kind of leeway to the extreme-right in this country: you help forwarding its agenda. Progressives should have raised hell, over and over and over again since 2000. And we wouldn't be where we are now. Historically, the extreme-right rules when the center lets it happen.
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 01:02 PM
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28. Are you saying KKKARL ROVE MANIPULATED THE MEDIA???
And are you also saying that the Bush Cabal KNEW there were no WMD????? And perhaps they knew about and even (gasp) aided in the carrying out of the "terrist" attacks on 9/11?????!!!!!!! Let me guess, next you are gonna say that Osama Bin Laden was trained by the CIA. AS IF our dear leader has ANY goal in life OTHER than protecting us Americans from the evil bad terrists. CRAZY TIN-FOIL HATTED CONSPIRACY THEORIST!!!!! Don't you see how we are fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here???

Just one more question.....Why do you hate America??????
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 06:49 PM
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34. Hi sweetm2475!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:59 PM
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8. Nominated
It's obvious, the intelligence was ignored so 9/11 would happen. ** needed a reason for his war.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 05:02 PM
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9. No proof! Bush don't need your stinkin' Frenchie proof!
He speaks to Gawd!
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:38 PM
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10. Chip, chip chip. Each new story chips away at the * lies. Recommended. eom
Edited on Sun Dec-11-05 11:38 PM by Wordie
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:01 AM
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11. impeach, now
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architect359 Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:46 AM
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15. I second the motion n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 07:49 AM
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12. ***This important story is a dupe of an earlier GD thread:
Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 07:58 AM by Nothing Without Hope
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5569779
thread title (12/11 GD): LAT: French warned US in 2001 & 2002 about bogus Niger Uranium claims

This is now off the Greatest page, so I'm glad that another post of this important story is still visible. Still, I like to cross-post to keep threads on the same story grouped together - the comments are part of the value.

This story needs to be much more widely seen - it is another independent, solid piece of evidence that the Bush Admnistration deliberately lied about the WMD threat. So far, it's not gotten enough exposure. When this thread falls off the the Greatest page too, it needs to be reposted in GD or GD-P. Perhaps there will be an update published. If so, let's give these two earlier threads (this one and the earlier GD one) in the opening post so it can all be kept together.

Recommended and kicked - and please kick the earlier thread too if you will. The more exposure on this, the better.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:00 AM
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13. You dare beleive the silly French and not?

Victory
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:26 AM
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14. Yet another reason why Repukes had France
France had a better track record of using intelligence . . .

France just was getting in the way of Bush . . .
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:11 AM
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18. Right now the repukes likely want to bomb france for this honesty.
I know, I used to work for one.

The crookedness of the crime-ring doesn't bother them though.
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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:05 PM
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37. Remember the bumper stickers?
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 07:05 PM by President Kerry
First Iraq, then France! (referring to the bombing, of course). They give me a strong impulse to throw a cinderblock through the windshield (hopefully, with the driver in the car).
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:12 AM
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22. Change "had" to "hated"
Oops, misstype . . .
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:53 AM
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16. Visualize Impeachment! nt
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:08 AM
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17. They all have blood on their hands...
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the Bushistas, the PNACers, GOP shills in Congress and the Supreme Court, the Talibornagains and freepers, and the corporate media who enabled them. They all have blood on their hands. Unfortunately, there's plenty of blood to go around...
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:12 AM
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19. dubco isn't gonna believe no Frenchy
Ya want some freedom fries? *eh heh- Condi Help!

:dem:
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:56 AM
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20. The swiftbots* are on it already.
I got two emails over the weekend from separate "friends" telling me to google "french war victories" or something for some wacky results, plus a link to some anti-french jokes. I hadn't seen anything along those lines since the early 'freedom fries' era.


(*= that was a typo of swiftboat but I decided I liked it.)
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:03 PM
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24. * tactics: confront truth with jokes and diversions
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kegler14 Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:00 AM
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21. Well, I shore wouldn't trust
no cheese-eating surrender monkies. (sarcasm off)
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 06:51 PM
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35. Hi kegler14!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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W2Hague Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:54 AM
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23. Always Intentional
The Bushies may at times appear disheveled and even downright incompetent, but one should always keep in mind the deliberate nature of their policies and "governing style". When facts get in the way of their intentions, they are ignored, scoffed at, or buried with a big bag of lime. The "facts" are what the Bushies choose to show us. The "Laws" are the ones the Bushies create; "legalising" torture for instance by redefining the definition of torture. Pretty creative shit if you ask me, but even so, these evil fucks are not the first to utilize such tactics. Go Google "Nuremberg Laws" and be amazed at the similarities between those laws of 30's Germany and today's so-called PATRIOT act. These are dangerous times.

For more seditious commentary and graphics check out:

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 06:51 PM
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36. Hi W2Hague!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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formerrepuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:15 PM
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25. The report was written in Frenchanese..and nobody in the WH knows
any languages (possibly including English).
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:39 PM
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27. Is there a law against a govt. deliberately using false information to
service a need - like conjuring up a war for oil?
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 01:37 PM
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29. So, instead of listening to the French, the WH give us "Freedom Fries."
Why does this not surprise me?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 03:17 PM
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30. And BushCo responded as they did to Plame, to the peace marches
etc. They smeared. This is the real reason why BushCo created the whole anti-French movement, and the reason why they smeared Wilson and Plame, and the reason they smeared Dan Rather and James Hatfield and Blix and Ritter and on and on and on... It was their entire campaign against Al Gore and Bill Clinton, for that matter.

Karl Rove doesn't waste time disproving evidence he can't disprove. He destroys the credibility of the source, so that no one even looks at the information.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 03:25 PM
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31. French intelligence leaked CIA met bin Laden in July 2001
Remember this story?

Headline from the Guardian, Nov 1, 2001:

CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July

French report claims terrorist leader stayed in Dubai hospital

Anthony Sampson
Thursday November 1, 2001
The Guardian

Two months before September 11 Osama bin Laden flew to Dubai for 10 days for treatment at the American hospital, where he was visited by the local CIA agent, according to the French newspaper Le Figaro.

The disclosures are known to come from French intelligence which is keen to reveal the ambiguous role of the CIA, and to restrain Washington from extending the war to Iraq and elsewhere.

Bin Laden is reported to have arrived in Dubai on July 4 from Quetta in Pakistan with his own personal doctor, nurse and four bodyguards, to be treated in the urology department. While there he was visited by several members of his family and Saudi personalities, and the CIA.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:39 AM
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33. This is Why FOX Started to Spew Anti-French Sentiment
The media was a player.
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