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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 08:28 AM
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Chilly war-talk from Putin - right to launch preventive war
Moscow - President Vladimir Putin said that Russia will reserve the right to launch preventive strikes if other countries continue using force without United Nations approval.

Speaking to Italian journalists in remarks posted on the Kremlin website Tuesday, Putin reaffirmed Russia's belief that using military force must always be authorised by the United Nations.

But, he added: "If the principle of the preventive use of force is established in international practice, in the practice of international life, Russia reserves the right to act similarly to defend its national interests."

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1440288,00.html
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 08:30 AM
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1. If Bush can do it, so can everyone else!
We got no one to blame but ourselves for the international barbarism that we have unleashed.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:01 AM
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7. I am going to assume that was sarcasm
and say that those who refuse to look at the laws of logic and fail to realize that for every action there is an equal and opposing reaction, those are truly the people that hate America.

They hate to make their country strong and honorable - they hate themselves for their own hypocrisies - they hate to realize their own culpabilities in the mess that they have had a part in making. They refuse to exert any energy in righting the wrongs that they have allowed into existence and they hate looking at themselves in the mirror. They hide behind the rhetoric of liars and cheats and thieves.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:31 AM
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15. So many responses...so little time...
Why are you posting such nonsense?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 11:56 AM
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25. Gotta be sarcasm
Hey iam, try this little number to avoid confusion in the future

</sarcasm off>

People are mad these days, as I'm sure you've noticed, and are apt to mistakenly jump to conclusions (I have been as guilty of this as anyone).
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 08:30 AM
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2. Damn, we woke the bear!
Yep, * is making the world safer.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 08:42 AM
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3. The "Uniter, not a Divider' has united the world in a shopping spree
of implements of warfare and found a way to cut the global population without offending his fundie right-to-life zealot followers. :grr:

What a guy. </sarcasm>
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:40 AM
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17. The Bear has been awake for quite some time...
...they stopped destroying their nukes about a year ago after they learned that the Bushies were destroying their boosters only while stockpiling their warheads.

The Russians have also been in wide-ranging discussions with China, India, and Iran on an individual basis, as well as group discussions with Germany and France.

The last country to create such worldwide hate and discontent was Nazi Germany in the late 1930s. Hopefully, we won't be at the receiving end of the same results.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 08:46 AM
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4. wonder if the
monkey-in-chief saw that when he looked into Pootie-Poot's soul?
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:02 AM
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8. Neo-Imperialism and New Age Colonialism
Hasn't anyone heard of that phrase about history repeating itself and doomed to repeat history...

What a mess.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:11 AM
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10. this seems to sum it up
We can learn from history how past generations thought and acted, how they responded to the demands of their time and how they solved their problems. We can learn by analogy, not by example, for our circumstances will always be different than theirs were. The main thing history can teach us is that human actions have consequences and that certain choices, once made, cannot be undone. They foreclose the possibility of making other choices and thus they determine future events.~~Gerda Lerner
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:04 AM
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9. Now that Saddam can't do any more 'sabre rattling' in public
all these stunt apes are at it.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:26 AM
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11. I think he may be upset about the impending US invasion of Iran

Either that was not in his original deal, and he is pissed, or he is just blowing air for domestic purposes.

Too bad. Maybe if one country would stand up to the bush regime, others would follow.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:29 AM
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14. Do you remember the $40 billion in business deals with Iraq that Russia...
...lost when the U.S. invaded Iraq? There's more here than just an impending U.S. attack against Iraq.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 10:58 AM
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20. Yes, but he was paid off for those, and I am guessing that he was told

that they would not invade Iran.

And I don't leave out the Yukos thing, maybe they didn't give him all his Iraq money?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 11:26 AM
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21. Who paid him off? Do you have a link to support that?...
...and I doubt seriously that he was told that we wouldn't attack Iran.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 11:32 AM
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23. sorry, I didn't know it was supposed to be secret, you can google it

I had no idea it was a sensitive or touchy topic, or would upset anyone.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:45 AM
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19. I Wouldn't Discount the Yukos Affair
Yukos was in talks to merge w/Exxon Mobile.

Talk about your idiot buyouts. The last thing the US needs is to have one of the biggest corps in the world begging the Pentagon to go to war to protect their Russian oil interests.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:26 AM
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12. Doesn't this bring to mind
the role that arms dealers have played in the past in starting wars? Now the arms dealers have a president of the United States completely on their side - motive: profit at the expense of everything else?
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:27 AM
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13. Gotta love that Bush doctrine!
It sucks to set a fucked-up precedent and then have to deal with the consequences, eh Georgie boy? Just wait till India and Pakistan get going!
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:39 AM
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16. what a nice Pandora's box
the chimperor has opened ain't it?
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:42 AM
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18. There's been talk that the linchpin
of his re-election campaign is going to rest on the "fact" that he has made the U.S. and the world a safer place. This is just one more example of how this is so NOT true.

I would like to see a list compiled of specific examples like this one of how he has made the world MORE dangerous.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 11:29 AM
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22. Chimpy's actions coming back to haunt him. Waiting for China now
to make the same kind of statement. Guess SmirkBoy and the Pentagon/State Department thugs thought they were the only ones who could practice preventive use of force. Can any of those MORONS think through the insanity? Never mind, don't answer that ;-)

From the article:

The remarks, which echoed previous similar statements from Putin and his defence minister, Sergei Ivanov, were a clear jab at the United States, which waged war in Iraq despite fierce opposition from Russia and other UN Security Council members.

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 11:40 AM
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24. Has Russia deployed Sunburn missiles to Iran and Syria?
Check this out, if you can get past the rhetoric:

http://www.joevialls.co.uk/myahudi/sunburn.html

One thing's certain: Russia is sending the signal thus far, and no further. Ignore at our peril.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:01 PM
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26. Where did he ever get that idea???
Oh.

Nevermind
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