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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 02:35 AM
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Santorum Breaks With Christian-Rights Law Center (AP)
Edited on Sat Dec-24-05 02:38 AM by Up2Late
(O.K., who didn't see this "Flip Flop" coming?)

Santorum Breaks With Christian-Rights Law Center


Associated Press
Friday, December 23, 2005; Page A11

PHILADELPHIA, Dec. 22 -- Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) withdrew on Thursday his affiliation from the Christian-rights law center that defended a school district's policy requiring the teaching of "intelligent design."

Santorum, the Senate's third-ranking Republican, is facing a tough reelection challenge next year. Earlier, he praised the Dover Area School District for "attempting to teach the controversy of evolution."

But the day after a federal judge ruled that the district's policy on intelligent design is unconstitutional, Santorum told the Philadelphia Inquirer that he was troubled by testimony indicating that religion motivated some school board members to adopt the policy.

Santorum was on the advisory board of the Michigan-based Thomas More Law Center, which defended the district's policy. "I thought the Thomas More Law Center made a huge mistake in taking this case and in pushing this case to the extent they did," Santorum said. He said he will end his affiliation with the center.

<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/22/AR2005122202055.html?nav=rss_politics>
(more at link above)
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 02:41 AM
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1. This treacherous bastard can't even remain true
to his own band of immoral, self-indulgent hacks. Execrable manners appropriate to his throwaway ethics.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 08:52 AM
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11. I know -- at least Jesse Helms stood by his hair-raising beliefs
the whole time he was in the Senate (and now). That didn't make me respect him, but it showed what his beliefs really were. Santorum is a jerk AND a joke.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 02:42 AM
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2. Election year conversion
and nobody will buy it either. He'll only piss off conservative fundamentalistwackos, while voters in the middle will not take his gesture seriously.

Amazing the things that white male conservative politicians will do when they are down double digits in the polls.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 04:47 PM
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32. If Santorum's "converting"...many others are sure to follow.
Get the popcorn! Gonna be a great '06!!
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4morewars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 02:45 AM
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3. Flip,
flop
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 02:48 AM
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4. Santorum wants power
and his soul is for sale by the highest political bidder.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 03:54 AM
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5. he has already sold his soul to a guy dressed in red
and it isn't Santa
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 04:10 AM
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6. I am shocked, shocked I tell you that religion was involved
with this court case....

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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 05:18 AM
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7. Silly silly silly Santorum.
The people of Pennsylvania are far more intelligent than that.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 06:36 AM
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8. Don't bet on it, they did vote him in once...
:evilgrin: "ducking the flame throwers"
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appleannie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 10:48 PM
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25. As a Pennsylvanian, I am hoping that the polls that show Casey
with an 11% lead over Santorum remain as they are or go higher for Casey. A lot of people here realize that his main agenda is kissing the azz of Bush.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 06:44 AM
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9. His own people have gone too far- so he ditches them
Edited on Sat Dec-24-05 06:46 AM by DemonFighterLives
I hope everybody ditches this clown.
You either stand up for what you believe or you waiver as in his case.
:dilemma:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 04:20 PM
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35. Right wing Republicans are so in the dark they will probably miss this
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 07:06 AM
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10. fake outrage
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 10:03 AM
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12. trying to save his hide
but I certainly hope it is too late and it won't work. I think that this wormy piece of sh*t will be out of a job and if we are lucky his misdeeds will become known also.
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 10:09 AM
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13. Yeah right
"I thought the Thomas More Law Center made a huge mistake in taking this case and in pushing this case to the extent they did,"

Yeah, a huge Political mistake.

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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 10:17 AM
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14. You've got to be kidding me.
"...he was troubled by testimony indicating that religion motivated some school board members..."

Does he really expect anybody to believe that he wasn't aware of their religious motivation? If he really wasn't aware then he's stupider than I thought, and if he was and expects us to believe that he wasn't then... well... he's stupider than I thought!
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:21 PM
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22. Make sure the people of Pennsylvania don't forget this gem...
Edited on Sat Dec-24-05 01:25 PM by Up2Late
"...In 2002, Santorum said in a Washington Times op-ed article that intelligent design "is a legitimate scientific theory that should be taught in science classes."

On Thursday, he said he meant that teachers should have the freedom to mention intelligent design as part of the evolution debate -- not be required to do so. He added that his position has not changed.

Santorum said he disagrees with the Dover school board's policy of requiring the teaching of intelligent design, rather than just teaching the controversy surrounding evolution. He said the case provides "a bad set of facts" for a test on whether theories other than evolution should be taught in science class...."

And since this "Op-Ed" is no longer available at "The Washington Times" or at Senator Santorum's web site, I found it for everyone at the "Access Research Network" web site who have granted permission to reproduce it here if "...reproduced in its entirety for non-commercial use" for the low price of a link back to the site:

<http://www.arn.org/docs/ohio/washtimes_santorum031402.htm>



The Washington Times
March 14, 2002

Illiberal Education in Ohio Schools



Rick Santorum

"I hate your opinions, but I would die to defend your right to express them." This famous quote by the 18th-century philosopher Voltaire applies to the debate currently raging in Ohio. The Board of Education is discussing whether to include alternate theories of evolution in the classroom. Some board members however, are opposed to Voltaire's defense of rational inquiry and intellectual tolerance. They are seeking to prohibit different theories other than Darwinism, from being taught to students. This threatens freedom of thought and academic excellence.

Today, the Board of Education will discuss a proposal to insert "intelligent design" alongside evolution in the state's new teaching standards.

Supporters for a change in teaching standards want the board to include the idea that living things could have been "designed" in some meaningful way. Sen. Ted Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, approves of having alternate theories taught in the classroom. He believes children should be "able to speak and examine various scientific theories on the basis of all information that is available to them so they can talk about different concepts and do it intelligently with the best information that is before them."

The theory of intelligent design, which predates ancient Greece, contends that nature shows tangible signs of having been created by a pre-existing intelligence. This is in contrast to Charles Darwin's theory, which assumes all physical and material reality has gradually evolved through pure chance and natural selection, whereby the fittest members of each species survive and reproduce.

Critics of intelligent design, such as the newly formed Ohio Citizens for Science, claim that intelligent design is not a viable scientific theory and should not be taught in the classroom. They fear it is creationism in disguise, and hence, propagates religion in public schools. Despite a recent poll that shows overwhelming support for including the theory in the new teaching standards, these critics continue to resist its adoption.

This opposition to intelligent design is surprising since there is an increasing body of theoretical and scientific evidence that suggests an alternate theory is possible. Research has shown that the odds that even one small protein molecule has been created by chance is 1 in a billion. Thus, some larger force or intelligence, or what some call agent causation, seems like a viable cause for creating information systems such as the coding of DNA. A number of scientists contend that alternate theories regarding the origins of the human species — including that of a greater intelligence — are possible.

Therefore, intelligent design is a legitimate scientific theory that should be taught in science classes. :hi:

Yet, opponents of intelligent design contend that by including the theory in the new teaching standards, the separation of church and state will be weakened. This is false. Proponents of intelligent design are not trying to teach religion via science, but are trying to establish the validity of their theory as a scientific alternative to Darwinism.

Students should be taught a variety of viewpoints in the classroom. Dissenting theories should not be repressed, but discussed openly. To do otherwise is to violate intellectual freedom. Such efforts at censorship abrogate critical thinking and will ultimately thwart scientific progress.

Stifling freedom of discussion is wrong because it undermines the pursuit of truth and the presentation of different points of view, which should be the primary goal of education.

In order to protect intellectual freedom in the classroom from the dangers of political correctness, I drafted an amendment to an education bill that emphasizes how students studying controversial issues in science, such as biological evolution, should be allowed to learn about competing interpretations. Teachers have a constitutional right to teach scientific controversies so long as the discussion is about science, not religion or philosophy. Teachers must teach these theories, even if some believe they have religious or philosophical implications. There is no reason to ignore or trivialize scientific issues involving controversial theories, regardless of their implications for religion or philosophy.

The bipartisan amendment was adopted 91-8 by the Senate. It was strongly supported by both Republicans and Democrats. In short, the conviction that students should be taught alternate scientific points of view, no matter how controversial, is not a conservative or liberal position; rather, it is a pro-education, pro-learning position that champions excellence in the classroom.

At the beginning of the year, President Bush signed into law the "No Child Left Behind" bill. The new law includes a science education provision where Congress states that "where topics are taught that may generate controversy (such as biological evolution), the curriculum should help students to understand the full range of scientific views that exist." If the Education Board of Ohio does not include intelligent design in the new teaching standards, many students will be denied a first-rate science education. Many will be left behind.

Rick Santorum is a Republican member of the United States Senate from Pennsylvania.

© 2002 News World Communications. All rights reserved. International copyright secured. File Date: 3.14.02

<http://www.arn.org/docs/ohio/washtimes_santorum031402.htm>

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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 10:47 PM
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24. Wow, Priceless!
Edited on Sat Dec-24-05 10:59 PM by EST
It would be difficult to imagine a more bogus bunch of BS. I had not seen this little gem in its entirety, before, merely bits and pieces, here and there. It's no wonder this rascal wound up as a politician-with such a lack of capacity for logical, rational thought, a casual disregard for evidence and a total disregard for the intelligence or sensibilities of his purported audience, there must be no other job he'd qualify for.
How such a dip could expect to hornswoggle anyone more sophisticated than a seven year old and how he managed to do so with enough voters to get himself into office is beyond credulity.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 10:56 PM
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26. Note how he parses his words--
he's troubled by the testimony, not the religious motivation. What an empty suit.
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Hyernel Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 10:32 AM
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15. Santorum has chosen to side with Satan!!!
Edited on Sat Dec-24-05 10:33 AM by Hyernel
Heheh! If I were to use the high contrast, black & white thinking that the relgiously insane do.

These creationist whackos what their politicians to be religious clerics first.
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momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 10:43 AM
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16. The rats are leaving the ship
With ID sinking, the rats who were only on board for the cheese, are leaving.
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Agnomen Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 12:45 PM
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17. Teresa Heinz Kerry is right
She's been calling Santorum an idiot for years.
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ecoalex Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 12:49 PM
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18. Whichever way the wind blows Rick will go
A man of principles, his principal force, get elected any way he can.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 12:52 PM
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19. Is it the Christian Right's Law Center or the Christian Rights Law Center?
;)
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:10 PM
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20. He's like their very own Judas.
The only thing Santorum is troubled about is the fact that we will boot his ugly, narrow minded, hypocritical, ass right out of Pennsylvania. Good riddance to this Bush thug.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:12 PM
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21. This is a man that is desperate to salvage his reelection bid
He will only succeed in pissing off his base.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 08:35 PM
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23. You really have to understand this
Not that I am condoning Santorum at all, but the Catholic Church DOES teach Evolution. They do not teach Creationism according to the Bible, as these Fundies want. I was NEVER taught SCIENCE according the BIBLE in Catholic School. I am sure Little Ricky is well aware of all this.

The Catholic Schools simply said, in RELIGION CLASS, that God created EVOLUTION. Yes, they even taught man descended from APES in BIOLOGY Class.
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The Blue Knight Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 11:25 PM
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27. Terrible move by Santorum.
Santorum needs every Fundie vote that he can get. Breaking ties from this group isn't going to pick him up any moderate/Democratic votes, and it sure as hell is going to draw the ire of the Fundies in Pennsylvania. No win situation for Santorum.

Looks like he realizes his ship is sinking fast. It'll be a great day for America when this bozo is defeated.
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 08:14 AM
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38. You are correct.
I attended a Catholic HS in Chicago in the 70's. ZERO mention of creationism in 4 years of science. ZERO. I never learned about creationism in religion class, either. I was only required to take one religion course, and I chose a class called "World Religions". We learned about all the major traditions, and if creationism was mentioned in connection with anything, it was very matter of fact and minimal.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 11:31 PM
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28. Santorum is a political beast
He's as primitive as they come.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 02:44 PM
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29. kick n/t
:kick:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 02:51 PM
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30. Boy, He's flopping around like a fish on a deck
Edited on Sun Dec-25-05 02:51 PM by annabanana
Gasping for air, right and left.. and finding NOTHING
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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 04:03 PM
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31. this is great news!
in Pennsylvania, the Republican base is going to read this and stay at home! I can't wait to see what happens when Casey mops the floor with him.
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grateful581 Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 07:12 PM
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33. Rick Santorum is such a prick
He is flip-flopping all over. Which way is the wind blowing today Santorum. What a sorry excuse for a senator
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 07:32 PM
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34. Fucking piece of shit weasel!
I hate him - hope he loses big time.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:15 PM
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37. He will!
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 05:41 PM
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36. Santorum is a hypocritical piece of crap.
Scum of the lowest order, he represents the entire part of our society that needs to be deported or otherwise eliminated in order for our nation to once again attain greatness. Right wing conservobots, to me, are the enemy most dangerous to our nation. "OFF WITH THEIR ..."
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:26 PM
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39. What a Complete and Total Idiot. n/t
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