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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:51 PM
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“I Find That A Travesty” - Joseph Wilson On Reports the White House May
Invoke Executive Privilege In the Investigation of the Outting of His Wife As a CIA Operative

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/05/1537259

Video and audio


Ambassador Joseph Wilson is the last US official to meet with Saddam Hussein before the start of the war 12 years ago. As the acting US ambassador to Iraq in the weeks leading up to the war, the White House consulted Wilson daily. He was formally commended by the Bush administration for his bravery and heroism in the weeks leading up to the war. In that time, Wilson helped evacuate thousands of foreigners from Kuwait, negotiated the release of more than 120 American hostages and sheltered nearly 800 Americans in the embassy compound.
But Wilson’s work in Iraq that won him praise from the current president’s father is not what he is now known for. For months, he has been at the center of a controversy that could prove to be one of the clearest cases of documentable criminal conduct by an administration since Watergate and the Iran-Contra scandal.

<snip>
AV Clips of : “Uncovered: The Whole Truth About the Iraq War” at site
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:56 PM
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1. What is the record for invoking excecutive privilege
by any sitting president ?

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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:59 PM
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2. I don't know, but I'll bet you it belongs to one of the last four repug
presidents.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:00 PM
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3. Sorry , you bastards, that dog don't hunt
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:06 PM
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5. ??? I'm not sure I understand your meaning here.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:08 PM
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6. I was just saying that the "executive privelege" excuse will not
fly.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:12 PM
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7. Now, THAT, I understand.
:toast:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:03 PM
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4. This is Bush's Waterloo if we don't let it drop.
How often does the left have the intel community on OUR side? This is what makes BushInc. so vulnerable.
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SpyHunter Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:12 PM
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8. I wish this were the case!!
I have looked into this subject extensively and it will bring us up to a dead end and more problems than solutions. The reps have this one extremely tight and very well protected if anything has gone on. To bad there wasn't some leak where we could break into it. Oh well we will have to conserve our resources and try another tactic.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:15 PM
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9. LOL
I bet there were some that said that too just prior to Watergate.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:17 PM
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10. Welcome to DU, SpyHunter!
I wouldn't stick a fork in this yet. There are still many unknowns and several in the intelligence community that are not going to play dead on this topic.

This drum is going to get banged for quite a while before people give up on it.
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TexasPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:20 PM
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12. if the whitehouse does this
how do they prevent the 6 reporters who already know the story from telling it...

they keep acting like this is something they can prevent from getting out - rather than taking the opportunity to do proper damage control, taking some responsibility, and putting themselves into a position to reduce the heat. If they play all or nothing with this, then there are 6 reporters and god knows how many editors and editorial assistants with the keys to the whitehouse.

This is one of the finest examples of why this presidency cannot continue. Hubris.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:23 PM
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15. You said the operative word: Hubris
Make sure you watch the show linked to on the page. Wilson brings out many salient points and is dead on.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:20 PM
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13. You looked into the subject extensively?
Who the heck are you (with your low post count) to come in here and tell us to...in other words...give it up?
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:24 PM
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16. Wow, that really is not appropriate. Just because someone is new
doesn't mean they are not welcome to share their opinion here at DU. My apologies are extended to you. Your input is welcome here.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 02:36 PM
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23. Maybe I spoke too soon. Gathered other intelligence Catgirl. I think
that your anger is warranted.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:44 PM
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19. The bush white house has angered too many spooks for this
to die. Just the sampling I get from my ex spook mailing list tells me Bush will not get away with this.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 03:11 PM
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24. <snarf>
You are priceless!

xoxoxo

Julie
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 05:37 PM
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28. It's posts like this, fellow DUers that lead me to believe
that leakgate will bring down at least Rove (if not the whole BFEE regime).

drip
drip
drip
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thebaghwan Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:17 PM
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11. The Bush Administration has been trying to expand "Executive Privilege"
Cheney has invoked it in the Energy Task Force Flap.

I would expect it to be used in the Senate Probe of Iraq pre-war intelligence and probably with the 911 investigation. Bush lackies have alrerady noted that the congressional committee headed by Sens. Roberts and Rockefeller "Have no jurisdiction over the White House".

It is interesting that the Repukes like Bush/Cheney want to expand this Constitutional right yet they trample other constitutional rights in the Patriot Act.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:25 PM
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17. Not Executive Privilege...Imperial Fiat
Executive Privilege is for Presidents. Imperial Fiat is for Emperors.

I believe in calling things by their right name.
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:20 PM
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14. The Wilsons need to sue
that way they can have subpoena power...right? file a civil suit? remember Clinton had to be deposed - why not the Chimp?
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:30 PM
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18. Resolve...One of the Chimps favorite words
Now it is one of mine. Keep your resolve Joe! Don't let this one die out!
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:49 PM
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20. A way to look at this vis a vis The Famous Briar Patch.
Please don't invoke execpriv, Chimpy. Please don't look as if you have something real nasty and damning to hide.

I beg you not to further alienate and energize your oppo in intel. And please don't embarrass and compromise any R's on the Hill. And don't even think about appearing to protect treason and traitors.

And pray, never confuse yourself over what the 'executive privilege' protects (usually). Kindly remove from your planning any consideration of a judicial knock at your door. (Senator Stennis is no longer around to even hear and reject your special pleading.)




United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974)

"Neither the doctrine of separation of powers,
nor the need for confidentiality can sustain an absolute,
unqualified Presidential privilege of immunity from judicial process."

http://www.aclumontana.org/rights/nixon.html


:evilgrin:
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 02:02 PM
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21. Why Ex. Priv??? Funny you should ask: leak came from Cheney's office!!!!
Reports originally said (erroneously, as it turned out) that Wilson was sent to Niger at the behest of the Vice-President's Office. Who would Novak have called first in those days following Wilson's July 6, 2003 Op-Ed in _The NY Times_? The Office of the Vice-President, naturally.

Immediately after his July 6 op-ed in the _New York Times_, Joseph C. Wilson was thought to have been sent to Niger in February of 2002 at the behest of the Vice President (later vigorously denied by Dick Cheney, September 14 th on Meet the Press, see link #1, below). (This misunderstanding may have arisen from a clumsy reading of Wilson's Op-Ed, in which he wrote that he "was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report." and "The vice president's office asked a serious question. I was asked to help formulate the answer." See quotations in next paragraph that indicate mistaken in early July that Wilson was sent directly at behest of Cheney.) Robert Novak, _Chicago Sun Times_ columnist and televison commentator, by his own admission "was curious why a high-ranking official in President Bill Clinton's National Security Council was given this assignment" (link #5). Those are the facts. From those facts, can we deduce who Novak would have called first? The Vice-President's office, of course.

Some proof of misconception in second week of July 2003 that VP sent Wilson: Ray McGovern reflects this misconception in a July 14 open memorandum to Bush: "There is just too much evidence that Ambassador Wilson was sent to Niger at the behest of Vice President Cheney's office, and that Wilson's findings were duly reported not only to that office but to others as well." http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4107.htm . As does Will Pitt when he writes on July 11: "Wilson was dispatched in February of 2002 at the behest of Dick Cheney to investigate the veracity of the Niger evidence." http://www.agitprop.org.au/nowar/20030711_pitt_bush_you_are_a_liar.htm . Ian Macpherson writes, similarly, "Now it appears that Wilson was sent to Niger at the behest of none other than Vice President Cheney's department" http://www.netnacs.com/downunder/archive/du-0026.htm . Steve Perry continues the error even at the end of the month: "It was Wilson who traveled to Africa in 2002 at Dick Cheney's behest" http://babelogue.citypages.com:8080/sperry/stories/storyReader$517 .

So . . . Novak would have called Cheney or, more likely, Lewis (Scooter) Libby, Cheney's Chief-of-Staff (or, perhaps a staff member directly below Scooter). To find out "why a high-ranking official in President Bill Clinton's National Security Council was given this assignment," Novak would have gone to the presumptive "assigner."

How would the conversation have gone (using Scooter Libby as the contact)? They would talked about Wilson's editorial, why the State-of-the-Union Speech referred to Nigerian yellow-cake uranium and why Powell didn't mention it at the UN, and how Cheney had never sent Wilson on any mission. Then Scooter explains, telling Novak that Cheney, the previous winter (Feb. 2002) had asked the CIA to look into the reports of uranium sales to Iraq from Niger and that it was the CIA at the VP's behest who had sent Wilson. Then Scooter lets it drop, "Well, did you know Wilson's wife works for the Company? Let's see . . . yeah, right Valerie Plame. Word is that she was the one who had him sent to Niger." Novak's ears perk up (all he hears is "nepotism," missing the real insinuation: that Wilson put his wife up to having him sent because he had an anti-War agenda or because he was anti-administration and wanted to put the breaks on the early momentum toward the Iraqi war). Novak checks spelling ("P-L-A-M-E"), thanks Scooter, hangs up. Checks second source, etc.

It's important to realize the purpose was to discredit Wilson as a maverick-with-an-agenda, getting his wife to send him on a mission the results of which would undercut Bush's designs on Iraq.

Paul Krugman, as he so often does, gets to the marrow: "both the columnist Robert Novak and Time magazine say that administration officials told them that they believed that Mr. Wilson had been chosen through the influence of his wife, whom they identified as a C.I.A. operative."
( http://www.mail-archive.com/marxism@lists.panix.com/msg47823.html ) The purpose, therefore, was NOT revenge, NOR punishment, but to undercut Wilson's credibility. (To be fair, Krugman later, inexplicability concludes: "So why would they do such a thing? Partly, perhaps, to punish Mr. Wilson, but also to send a message.") IN the July 22 Newsday item (see link in Timeline) Wilson also admits to befuddlement: "They were aware of who she was married to, which is not surprising," he said. "There are people elsewhere in government who are trying to make her look like she was the one who was cooking this up, for some reason," he said. "I can't figure out what it could be."

Given the circumstance of the following summer (2003) when everyone was questioning the existence of WMDs, considering that someone who had investigated one of the claims Bush made in his State-of-the-Union Speech just undercut him in a July 6 NY Times op-ed piece, Scooter's plant was artful and effective, despite Novak's dull-witted interpretation (nepotism). It was clever about crushing anyone (Libby is more circumspect and pragmatic than Rove). The purpose was not primarily to inflict revenge upon Wilson, nor was it necessarily a warning to others who might take similar public stands, but to undercut an opponent who had momentarily risen in their midst. Bloodlessly, swiftly.

I know that if the purpose of the leak was revenge or a warning to others, the political damage to the administration would be worse. Since no one is likely to go to jail since bar for conviction under the operant law is rather high, all we can hope for is political damage. But mistaking the motive may well lead us in the wrong direction and allow the entire story to gradually dissipate in the short-shelf life of public attention. As it is, the administration will have to account for a coordinated attempt (2 leakers) to discredit a man who has ably served five administrations and was even labeled "courageous" by George Walker Bush. Perhaps those charged will tell investigators who else was in on the meetings where the strategy to discredit Wilson was hatched. (It was certainly coordinated and continuous, as attested to by the July 17 and 22 similar stories in Time and Newsweek–see timeline, below) Perhaps not.




TIMELINE:


(More detailed and much fuller timelines, distracting for our purpose, can be found at: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/US/uranium030714_timeline.html and http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=niger_timeline )

ca. 2001

Wilson: "I was invited out to meet with a group of people at the CIA who were interested in this subject. None I knew more than casually. They asked me about my understanding of the uranium business and my familiarity with the people in the Niger government at the time. And they asked, 'what would you do?' We gamed it out--what I would be looking for. Nothing was concluded at that time. I told them if they wanted me to go to Niger I would clear my schedule. Then they got back to me and said, 'yes, we want you to go'" (qtd. in link #2).

2002

February: Joseph C. Wilson is sent to Niger to investigate rumors of sales of yellow-cake uranium to Iraq. His trip lasts eight days: "drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people: current government officials, former government officials, people associated with the country's uranium business. It did not take long to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place" (from NY Times, 6 July 2003, qtd. in http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/cia-gate.htm ).

March 9: "CIA reportedly sends cable that does not name Wilson but says Nigerien officials denied the allegations," according to ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/US/uranium030714_timeline.html

2003

January 28: George W. Bush's State of the Union Address.

June 12: Walter Pincus reports in the _The Washington Post_ that an unnamed retired diplomat had given the CIA a negative report concerning uranium sales from Niger to Iraq. ( http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2003/Bush-Iraqi-Uranium-Forged12jun03.htm )

July 6: Joseph Wilson publishes his Op-Ed in _The New York Times_ , criticizing the administration for allowing Bush to make the Niger-uranium claim in the State of the Union Address. (Link #4 for the Op-Ed.) Richard Leiby and Walter Pincus write an article discussing Wilson's work in Niger and quoting his unfavorable administration comments: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/135174809_intel06.html

July 13: Robert Novak publishes his column in _The Chicago Sun-Times_ in which Valerie Plame is identified as a CIA agent. Novak writes: "Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me his wife suggested sending Wilson to Niger to investigate the Italian report. The CIA says its counter-proliferation officials selected Wilson and asked his wife to contact him" (qtd. in link #3).

July 17: Time magazine publishes the same basic story, also attributing it to "government officials."

July 22, Newsday also confirms "that Valerie Plame ... works at the agency on weapons of mass destruction issues in an undercover capacity." Link:
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/iraq/ny-uscia0722,0,6160519.story?coll=ny-top-headlines

Sept. 14: Dick Cheney on Meet the Press denies knowing Wilson and seemingly goes out of his way to say "I don't know Mr. Wilson. I probably shouldn't judge him. I have no idea wh hired him and it never came..." Russert interposes: "The CIA did." And Cheney responds, "Who in the CIA, I don't know." (Link #3) (Why is Cheney going out of his way to volunteer this information? Wilson seems similarly perplexed; in an interview with Ann Goodman, also in link #3, after Goodman says "He (Cheney) also said that he didn't know who had sent you, raising questions about the whole legitimacy of your mission to Niger," Wilson says, "I heard that. I don't know what the Vice President was trying to get at in that. )

Oct. 1: Robert Novak publishes his column in _The Chicago Sun-Times_ recounting the entire story from his vantage. (Link #5)



* * * * * * Laws * * * * *

1917: Espionage Act (thrice amended since).

1982: The Intelligence Identities and Protection Act

Both are discussed by John Dean at http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20030815.html




* * * * * * Links * * * * *


Link #1: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/16/1555209
Link #2: http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=823
Link #3: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/16/1555209
Link #4: http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0706-02.htm
or http://truthout.org/docs_03/100203B.shtml
Link #5: http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak01.html



* * * * * Bibliographies * * * * *

http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/cia-gate.htm (a bibliog. of articles criticizing the admin.)
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 03:28 PM
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25. Great summary
thanks.

BTW: If Wilson was the most qualified person for the job than who cares who suggested him for the mission? Nepotism is when you send you relative or friend on a mission who couldn't tell a nuke from a firecracker.

Besides if you want to talk about nepotism, George Bu$h Jr. would never have been president of his local women haters club no less POTUS. Georgie Boy is the ultimate case of nepotism in history.


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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 04:16 PM
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26. I'm just hoping these executive priv. walls start crumbling in time
for the 2004 election. Couple this with the removal of the accountability clause in the bill discussed earlier today and this admin just keeps getting dirtier by the day.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 02:04 PM
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22. Looks like a jam-up documentary!
n/t
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 05:02 PM
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27. Executive privilege in a CRIMINAL investigation??
Uh - I believe this issue was settled a long time ago when the SCOTUS ruled unanimously against Nixon on whether he could withold the Watergate tapes from the special prosecutor. Where are these reports coming from? I have trouble believing the Bushies would try this. If they do, they are flirting with obstruction of justice - they must know something they are trying to cover up.
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