Southern Baptists Prepare For Gay 'War'

[davidinalameda]

and to think, I don't have a thing to wear to a war!

http://www.365gay.com/newscontent/110503baptists.htm

(Nashville, Tennessee) The Southern Baptist Convention is stepping up its opposition to homosexuality with a formal "declaration on marriage" and demands that all candidates for office in 2004 sign a pledge to support a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage.

The denomination already has endorsed a longstanding statement calling homosexuality a sin, but church leaders say that needs to be toughened in light of last summer's Supreme Court ruling striking down sodomy laws (story), and Sunday's consecration of a gay bishop in the Episcopal faith (story).

"We want to make sure there is no confusion about what the Bible says on this issue," said Richard Land, who heads the convention's ethics and religious liberties commission.

[ozymandius]

1. At least we will know who the bigots are.

I am glad that everything in the world is so wonderful that these idiots have the presence of mind to consider this non-issue. Ya know - thinking with an historical mind, the same thing was said about integration. Even earlier about slavery.

[everythingsxen]

2. Good job champ..

A Constitutional ban on Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Fascist ass.

I'm not gay and definately not gonna be gay, however I do not want to see them decide that because you are "sinners" we should add a new law that prohibits it. It will just encourage them to make other things illegal.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. I'm beginning to change my opinion about outing GAY conservatives

Frankly, I think we should set up stings and film them.

[roughsatori]

7. I am FOR outing hypocrites, even gay ones

Any closeted gay or lesbian who speaks out publicly, or runs for office with, an anti-gay civil-rights agenda needs to be outed. I applaud those who would do so with facts, not innuendo.

Same thing if a politician runs on the Family-Values platform and has a mistress. That becomes news , not prurient interest, by dint of the hypocrisy.

[Melsky]

21. I totally agree

what someone does as their personal life is their business, unless they are engaged in trying to villify others who do the same thing!

[demdave]

27. Where do you stand on outing gays that don't actively support gay issues

Not the anti-gay politicians, I am talking about the closeted gay politicians who get by riding the fence and not taking the agressive lead in the cause?

[mitchtv]

11. what IS the scoop(or Poop) on David Drier any way?

I hear he is vehemently anti gay.

[David Zephyr]

34. I've Been Outing Them for Years.

And will continue to do so without apologies.

[0007]

4. Oh shit, here we go again!

Don't these fuckers ever give up........ and demands that all candidates for office in 2004 sign a pledge to support a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. and they're doing this with a straight face.

Another funny one.....make sure there is no confusion about what the Bible says on this issue......being the religious scholar that I'm on religion, I can find no mention of women stretching out with another women in the good book. And that's the truth, I think?

[roughsatori]

9. This sort of thing was big during the Reagan years

I never thought they would be back.

[webDude]

12. correcto-mundo! Also, why don't we have slavery, how about incest,...

and how about Lot offering his daughters up to be raped? That's all okay according to the Bible.

On edit: AND the one line about lying with a man as with a woman was totally intended if you were JEWISH. They had no opinion if the Gentiles did it. So what's the deal, do they think they are Jewish? Jesus was not quoted one "lick" about it, and I talked to him today and he said he was pretty pissed about all the hate freaks!

[Terran]

22. Actually, there should be no confusion for any Christian

Jesus says nothing against homosexuality in the New Testamant. Therefore, no Christian has any business making an issue out of it.

Dirk

[WindRavenX]

25. Good point

Homosexuality was briefly mentioned in Leviticus, but Jesus essentially said in the NT that he represented a new law and that the old laws found in Leviticus (remember him saving the woman who commited adultry?) wasn't the best. Hell, Leviticus says we shouldn't wear clothes made of 2 different fabrics..oops!
Lots of the homophobic Xtian bigots just pick n' chose from the Bible to further their sick agenda..

[Terran]

32. Another good point, WindRavenX

Jesus essentially said in the NT that he represented a new law and that the old laws found in Leviticus (remember him saving the woman who commited adultry?) wasn't the best.

I recently came a cross a commentary by John Wesley, the founder of Methodism. He wrote that one of the things we should be grateful to Jesus for is "lifting the yoke of Leviticus" from our necks.

It's my understanding that Leviticus, in any event, does not contain a broad prohibition against homosexuality. It was written for the priestly class only, the Tribe of Levi, and included a prohibition on consorting with male temple prostitutes; it says nothing about men consorting with men in general.

Dirk

[0007]

33. Leviticus was a shylock.....

Levi was a pimp for the male temple repubician prostitutes. Each tribe had their own persnickety fringe benefit....the laws were rather odd in those days, because unions were nonexistence. So the bible was the law of the land in those times. I and one other person understand and can interpret the holy truth for you.

Has anyone ever heard of the 'Round Church?' 'Tis the only Church in the world where the devil can't gettcha' in a corner.

[ninkasi]

5. What is it?

What is it with some groups, who just have to be at war with somebody? I know it's not just some Xtian churches. I was raised in the United Methodist faith, and can never remember such bigotry and hatred being preached.

Let me state for the record, I am not anti Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Bhuddist, Hindu, Wiccan, Pagan, or atheist group. If people can find their way to spiritual fulfillment, fine. There is, however, a Constitutional ogligation to keep church and state separate. The language forbids any religious test, if I remember correctly.

There is so much death, pain, suffering, famine, poverty, all those things, going on, that it seems that people's time would better be spent looking for solutions. Maybe I'm biased, because I have some very dear, very loving, gay friends, and it saddens me to see this kind of spite directed toward them.

[webDude]

17. It's called "CONTROL"

nt

[bushisanidiot]

6. Southern Baptists Need To Get A New Hobby. They Don't Get to play GOD

just because they believe in god.

Those who protest the most against 'the gay agenda' need to come out of the closet already.. all the fire and brimstone talk is just annoying. *yawn*

[ClintonTyree]

8. Why do they care?

They spend more time thinking about gays and lesbians than most gays and lesbians themselves. If they'd do a little more praying and spreading their supposed good deeds in the name of Christ, they wouldn't be burdened with this obsession. All that hate in those good "Christian" hearts. There's a special ring of hell for these idiots.

[Skittles]

18. I agree, DumpGump

I'm surrounded by them and their obsession with all things gay strikes me as just plain bizarre.

[reprobate]

29. Psych 101 called it 'projection'.

It's the projecting of thoughts or feelings that they themselves are afraid they have buried deep inside, onto others whose actions represent those thoughts.

Or, "I hate that part of me, so I must kill you for showing it to me"

[noonwitch]

10. What does one wear to a gay war?

Not to mention what ammo does one bring?
There's always the bible itself. Hey Baptists, still following the letter of the law in Leviticus? You sure about that?

Do you offer animal sacrifices in church? Do any of your ministers have deformed penises? Do you make your women sleep in a separate building/tent when they get their periods? Do you sit on chairs that haven't been cleansed after a menstruating woman sat upon them? do you stone urban rape victims who don't scream? Or disobedient children (I know Landover Baptist does, LOL)? Are you practicing kosher laws?
When you see a leper, do you point and scream "Unclean! Unclean!"?
Is it okay to be a lesbian? There's no prohibition in the bible on that (probably because men get off on it). Do you stone people who work on the sabbath?

Are Abraham and Lot good role models? Was it okay for Abraham to marry his sister (Sarah) and pimp her out to the Pharoah of Egypt? Was it okay for Lot to offer his virgin daughters to the men of Sodom when they cried for God's messengers, angel-men who should be able to defend themselves?

[truthspeaker]

13. Against homosexual marriage?

Then don't marry a homosexual.

[Devlzown]

16. Lots of leather!

:evilgrin:

[kayell]

20. I prefer flannel and birkenstocks

but army boots might be more appropriate.

[progressiverealist]

14. oh, but Richard... there's a HELL of a lot of confusion

about what the bible says about homosexuality. Jesus (pun intended) I can't believe how incredibly ignorant fundies are about the collection of books that is the Bible.

[progressiverealist]

15. hey can I be in the gay army?

I mean, I'm straight and all but still. Can I volunteer? I'm very good at enraging fundies even without being gay.

[chromotone]

19. Once again, right-wing fundies and neo-Con fascists...

...have determined that the US Constitution should be used to control and restrict individual behavior.

a pledge to support a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage

The first 10 Amendments (and those following) restrict what the government can do, yet every proposed amendment by these hatemongers restrict what the individual can do:

You shall not burn the flag;
You shall not have an abortion;
You shall not serve for more than 3 (or ?) terms in Congress;
You shall not marry outside your gender.
etc, etc...

Hey, GOP, it didn't work with the 18th Amendment! Learn from your mistakes!

[PurityOfEssence]

23. Ah yes: a rearguard action in the culture wars

Don't drop that crucifix, cracker; they's sodomites in them thar hills...

[ramapo]

24. Here comes the culture war

We might've seen nothing yet.

Conservatives rant about government being too powerful and how the constitution is a sacred document that should be respected and not interpreted.

But these are the people who want to impose their view of the world on everybody and want to amend the constitution for a host of their pet ideas ranging from Arnold for President to outlawing gay marriage, abortion, and burning the flag.

[Paschall]

26. Lemme get this straight (no pun intended)...

"The denomination already has endorsed a longstanding statement calling homosexuality a sin, but church leaders say that needs to be toughened..."

A constitutional amendment would "toughen" up what?

Are Southern Baptists now saying that violating the Constitution is worse than sin?

"Ethics and religious liberties commission" my ass!

[yellowcanine]

28. Now constitution has to follow the Bible?

"We want to make sure there is no confusion about what the Bible says on this issue," said Richard Land, who heads the convention's ethics and religious liberties commission.

Uh, why is federal government in the business of defining "marriage" in the first place? Why not just have civil unions defined by each state and let the churches decide who is "married" and who isn't? Keep the feds out of it completely. What happened to states' rights, conservatives?

[bluestateguy]

30. Oh, they want a war?

Gays should arm themselves to protect themselves agianst the religious right's threats of violence.

www.pinkpistols.org

All you gun control people better wake up.

[kskiska]

31. If their idol, St. Ronald, had no problem with gays

why should they? I don't understand why they're all so upset about Reagan mouthing anti-gay sentiments in the movie, when they've been saying the same things all along.