Iraqis Raped Lynch During Her Captivity, Book Reveals

[kskiska]

NEW YORK - (KRT) - Jessica Lynch was brutally raped by her Iraqi captors.

That is the shocking revelation in "I Am a Soldier, Too," the much-anticipated authorized biography of the former POW. A copy of the book was obtained by The New York Daily News on Wednesday.

Best selling author Rick Bragg tells Lynch's story for her, often using her own words. Thankfully, she has no memory of the rape.

"Jessi lost three hours," Bragg wrote. "She lost them in the snapping bones, in the crash of the Humvee, in the torment her enemies inflicted on her after she was pulled from it."

The scars on Lynch's battered body and the medical records indicate she was anally raped, and "fill in the blanks of what Jessi lived through on the morning of March 23, 2003," Bragg wrote.

"The records do not tell whether her captors assaulted her almost lifeless, broken body after she was lifted from the wreckage, or if they assaulted her and then broke her bones into splinters until she was almost dead."

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[Djinn]

1. they beat her raped her THEN took her to hospital??

and then the doctors gave her the ONLY specialised bed in the hospital in order to prevent bed sores and she also got the ONLY supplies of fresh juice

given you're in a war zone and your country has descended into anarchy WHY would you risk taking a seriously injured girl that you've just raped to hospital - surely you'd just shoot her once more somewhere a bit fatal?

I really hope that this poor girl wasn't raped because not being able to remember it doesn't take away the pain it can make it worse because you imagine all sorts of things and never really know but there's something here that doesn't quite make sense

[smallprint]

4. Djinn, you're right. Why should we believe a word of this?

DUers all know that her "rescue" was a PR stunt from the start. Everything surrounding this poor girl has been stage managed and spun to the extreme. Was she actually raped? I don't know. I sure hope not. But there's no way we'll know by reading this crap.


edited subject line to agree with Djinn's.

[MartinAmbroseForan]

27. I'll reserve judgement

Until I hear it from her, if ever.

[joeunderdog]

111. It's ALL TRUE!!! All US troops are getting boned up the ass in Iraq.

Chimp sends them to premature death and horrible injury to forward a political agenda that has no foundation in morality.

Get in line Jessica: everyone's getting screwed here.

[zonmoy]

114. The only ones that raped her

was the bush cabal and they just raped her mind by brainwashing her.

[dobak]

2. uhhh

Although the events around her rescue are murky, we cannot blame her for it.

I am glad she is alive and hopefully she can enjoy the rest of her life.

[leesa]

69. Bullshit. Where is the proof that she was raped? This 'poor girl' has.

worked with this guy on a book but doesn't remember anything about what she is saying happened??? I have no respect for her at all now. Sheer speculation! And since the witnesses to the rescue are disappearing, she can fabricate to her little hearts desire now.

[cknoch]

99. How compassionate...

...I wonder if you'd take the same opinion if you heard a story about a girl raped while she's on roofies slipped to her? Every time someone like you says "Bullshit!" to a rape victim 5 other rape victims in the future refuse to come forward. You make me sick!!! In my opinion, if she said it happened, then it happened! Not many womem would shame themselves in such a manner (there are nut cases out there), but I for one have to believe her.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

105. I don't suppose you've bothered to read any of the posts...

...in this thread before you launched your little rant. Try a few posts that discuss the firing of the book's author by a major newspaper for having others do his "legwork".

Please point out exactly where Ms. Lynch PERSONALLY makes the claim that she was raped. You won't find any direct quotes from Lynch because she was unconscious from the car wreck, remember?

And then tell us how many versions of the Lynch story have surfaced since her capture. Ask yourself just how much sense it makes for the Iraqis to have raped Ms. Lynch and then have turned her over to an Iraqi hospital where she received better care than the Iraqis themselves.

Then ask yourself why Ms. Johnson, one of her fellow POWs, was not asked any questions about her experiences and whether or not they were similar to those of Ms. Lynch. Don't you think if Ms. Johnson was also raped that news would have been blasted all over the media as soon as it became known?

And just how did Bragg, or someone doing his "legwork", gain access to a copy of Ms. Lynch's military medical record? This is a record that is always kept under lock and key even after an individual leaves the service.

And how come four members of Ms. Lynch's rescue team are now dead? One died from a drive-by shooting, one from a single-car accident, one by suicide, and one was shot in the back during combat ops in Iraq. Is someone trying to hide something?

IMHO, you're reacting exactly like the lapdog mainstream media wants you to react...long on emotion and short on facts.

[gatorhater]

115. this is crazy

aren't there better things to do than essentially accuse this poor woman of either fabricating a rape story or going along with a story fabricated by the right wingers. Your post is a little too paranoid. The poot woman was likely raped, deal with it and save your questions for something that matters

[Demonaut]

121. No one wants to attack her credibility

As she has not yet spoken much concerning this matter...so it's more about the credibility of the official and unofficial pr. Its also known that to humiliate your prisoners is common occurrance in middle eastern countries and rape is one reserved for women and men...so i guess we will have to wait and see.

[Newsjock]

3. Bragg

And why should anyone believe anything he writes anymore?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. And to back-up your comment....

...here's the key phrase in this birdcage liner that passes for a "newspaper":

"Bragg, a former New York Times reporter who quit after admitting he had a legman do some of his reporting...".

Which "legman" filled Bragg in on Lynch's so-called "medical records"?? How did he or she gain access to those records?

So, how many versions of the Lynch saga does this one make??

[Mika]

66. Which "legman" filled Bragg in? Judith Miller or Chalabi maybe

Which "legman" filled Bragg in? Judith Miller or Chalabi maybe


Don't ask questions!

[madrchsod]

5. ????

can anyone sink any lower than rick bragg? since no one knew it jessica,i`m going to tell the whole world you were fucked in the ass

[kentuck]

6. Cynicism knows no bounds...

It may be true...

[w13rd0]

8. It may be...

...but isn't there something wrong in the first place when so many would doubt EVERYTHING because we've been lied to about EVERYTHING?

[kentuck]

14. Maybe....

Maybe not.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

34. Neither does absolute gullibility.

[Piperay]

41. Yes, women get raped

during wars. Women becoming rape victims of war has happened since the begining of time, shouldn't be a surprise or met with such cynicism.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

43. The real question here, based on the credibility of the author,...

...is how much can we believe? Did you read the article?

Why is it that they keep changing Lynch's story at least once a week?

[IndianaGreen]

59. Rick Bragg and Jason Blair gave a black eye to journalism

Rick Bragg Quits At New York Times
Departure Follows Comments That Roiled Scandal-Shaken Newsroom
By Howard Kurtz

Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 29, 2003; Page C01

The New York Times newsroom has erupted in anger over reporter Rick Bragg and his aggressive defense of relying heavily on stringers and interns, with many reporters denouncing the practice and insisting that's not the way they do business.

Bragg, who had made plans to leave the newspaper this summer after being hit with a two-week suspension, yesterday "offered his resignation, and I have accepted it," Executive Editor Howell Raines told the staff in a memo. "We know this has been a difficult period. We have full confidence in our staff."

Bragg said last night that he had hoped to stay a little longer, "but it's only going to cause more hurt feelings if I do. I don't want to cause any more hurt feelings, not my own or anyone else's."

With nerves already rubbed raw by the Jayson Blair fabrication scandal, Bragg's recent comments to The Washington Post, dubbed "infuriating and absurd" by business reporter Alex Berenson, fueled a heated debate yesterday about the mechanics of reporting, proper attribution, the limits of drive-by journalism and the granting of credit to unseen subordinates who contribute behind the scenes. And the repercussions are being felt far beyond Manhattan, as news executives around the country examine and in many cases tighten their policies.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A51506-2003May28¬Found=true

[leesa]

70. The PROBLEM is that they have changed their story about fifty times

If you don't have cynicism about this then I suspect there might be something wrong with you! Pure propaganda.

[joeybee12]

83. God in heaven help us if you believe that...

...because there will be millions of other people who will.

This is fascism at its finest, lie, distort, and rile up the people to justify an unjust war.

[w13rd0]

7. Huh?

Last I'd heard, she had no memory of anything, or was it that she was told she had no memory of anything? At what point does real-time revisionism pass from being propaganda to sheer parody? Have we passed that point yet? Hell, people voted for Arnold because he kicked terrorist butt in "True Lies". I want to believe the best in man, but are we looking forward to a near future in which completely stage managed propaganda will be used as the basis for life stories to try and launch political ambitions? Oh, wait...never mind.

Well Christ, will someone who lives overseas please reassure me that people the world over are just as stupid. Please tell me it's not just here, it's not just me.

[Oz_Bozz]

13. I wish It was just you... But

People here in Australia are just as stupid... Example: John Howard is likely to win the next election.. Can you believe that!!!!!

I'm thinking about leaving the country in protest.

[Pert_UK]

15. Hey mate! Welcome to DU! Where in Oz are you?

I'm in Bunbury, WA until Sunday, at which point I start a 6 month tour of the Island (ha ha ha) with my girlfriend.

I'm a Brit but there are several Aussies on here, including RooBoy and errr....some others I can't remember.

:hi:

Welcome to DU!

P.

[Djinn]

120. Dead Right Oz_Bozz

I don't think I could take another Howard term characterised by a constant blaming of the unemployed, low paid and refugees for all of societies ills - if he does pull it off I'll be heading to Scotland (although with Tory Blair as the alternative maybe Antarctica would be a better choice)

[Kellanved]

64. rest assured

that people are just as stupid overseas.

[Liberal Veteran]

9. And I should believe this, why?

Her captors took her from the wreckage, anally raped her, broke her bones until she was almost dead and then in a fit of mercy decided to take her to the hospital?

I'm sorry, but that stretches the boundaries of believability.

[Hieronymus]

25. I'm with you

that's the most ludicrous scenario I can think of. I won't believe anythihng they say.......too many lies already.:eyes:

[Virginian]

10. I'm not buying it.

I don't think those are her Iraqi Medical records they are talking about. Wouldn't evidence of rape have been gone by the time she was admitted to an American hospital? Why would the "rapists" have chosen anal over regular sex, were they trying to avoid a paternity suit? The fact that she doesn't remember it is another red flag of falsehood.

I am really beginning to feel sorry for the girl the way the right is using her.

While Jessica was getting medical attention, Shana Johnson was having to live with the pain of her injuries as well as the terror of being aware of her predicament. I want to know how she is doing.

[dsc]

23. because anal sex

isn't sex in Islam. Ie it isn't adultery.

[TrogL]

110. It's also standard operating procedure to anally rape captured soldiers

[Piperay]

42. I would like to hear something about Shana Johnson too

but I guess because she was black she and not a cute little blonde no one is interested in making a movie about her. :argh: :grr: :mad:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

44. That would be the person from whom I would also like to hear...

...but based on the fact that four of Lynch's rescuers are now dead, maybe she wouldn't be very eager to talk.

[Demonaut]

116. four are dead?

where did you hear this?, what was thier function/duties in her capture.

[Zhade]

93. Paternity suit? This is war - they'd just shoot her afterward.

NT!

[TreasonousBastard]

11. GAWD!!!!

There are so many ways this is just plain wrong.

[JailBush]

16. I like that "fill in the blank" passage.

Maybe the whole book shoud be designed like that, allowing readers to make up their own accounts of Lynch's initial disaster, her capture, internment in a hospital, rescue by Team Exxon, then brainwashing by Republican operatives.

Jessica Lynch...

a) killed six Iraqis before she was overwhelmed and sexually assaulted.
b) was badly injured in a Humvee accident, then taken to a hospital.
c) shot a doctor who tried to help her.
d) was raped by U.S. troops, who mistook her for an Iraqi.
e) discovered she had a severe calcium deficiency when her bones began to break, after which U.S. troops escorted her to an Iraqi hospital for specialized treatment not available in the U.S.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

36. f) was awarded the Bronze Star for gallantry while COMPLETELY...

...unconscious under enemy fire.

...or....

f)was awarded the Bronze Star for gallantly charging the asphalt from a rolling humvee.

...or....

f)was awarded the Bronze Star for gallantry for what she was about to endure at the hands of Bragg and the rest of the objective U.S. media.

...or....

[saigon68]

61. SHE FOUGHT THEM WITH KARATE MOVES

A little, Kung Foo Fighting

Her kicks were fast as lightning!!!!!!

[Beaker]

89. In fact, it was a little bit frightening but she fought with expert timing

They were funky Iraqi men, with that funky Iraqi smell...

[mhr]

12. So That's Why The Republicans Are So Interested, It's About Sex!

eom

[w13rd0]

18. Rape isn't about sex...

...it's about power, which fascinates the Republicans just as much, so you are still correct in that sense.

[truthseeker1]

33. and it's about the cute, white, "girl-next door"

being victimized.

[Bake]

85. To Repbukes, rape is both sex and power

Sex, because that's about the only way they get any.

Power, because for Pukes, everything is about power.

Bake

[wickerwoman]

87. Not only that,

it gives them an excuse to argue that women shouldn't be in the military because the poor little dears could get hurt.

I think it's terrible if Pvt. Lynch was raped (as I think it's terrible when anyone of any gender is raped)and I'm not going to jump to conclusions and say it didn't happen. The fact that she can't remember it is not an uncommon symptom of PTSD and is not evidence that it didn't happen.

At the same time, the way this is being fetishized in the media makes me physically ill.

[Name removed]

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[JI7]

20. huh ?

i don't really know what you mean by that. i find the rape accusation hard to believe, but IF it did happen she certainly didn't deserve it in any way.

[Name removed]

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[JI7]

26. i know bad things happen

doesn't mean she asked for it or deserved it in any way as you suggested in that message.

[w13rd0]

22. Wha?

The veracity of the story is in question, but your sentiment is way out of line. Geneva Conventions dictate that rape is a war crime. If she was, and I don't believe the propaganda one bit, but if she were raped, no, she didn't "sign up for it". She may have signed up to get shot, shot at, killed by enemy gunfire or friendly fire, but she didn't sign up to be raped.

[sujan]

30. she should be glad that she's alive

[hussar]

75. Geneva convention ????

Since when does the US abide by the rules of the Geneva convention?

and please note I do not condone rape

[DoNotRefill]

56. Excuse me?

What do you mean by that comment?

[JI7]

19. remember the -she was shot, wasn't shot etc ?

do you all remember the whole thing about whether she was shot or wasn't shot, and whether she shot others ? the story changed so much almost daily. i find this kind of hard to believe. i'm not saying i know for sure she wasn't or couldn't have been raped. but with all the lies that came out of this i find it VERY hard to believe.

[stanwyck]

124. Poor General Brooks

I remember at a briefing he said that she may have been shot with such a small calibre weapon that the doctors examining her in Germany couldn't find the bullet wounds....What? She wasn't shot. There was no return fire from Iraqi during her "rescue" because there were no Iraqi soldiers in the hospital. This was a propaganda effort. She's the pawn. I hope she wasn't raped. But there is no credibility left in Jessica Lynch's story.

[Tinoire]

21. Yeah right

and just how long did all this programming take during the months they had her dequestered from the world?

What a bunch of hog-wash.

[study_war_no_more]

29. selling water by the river

The Jessica story.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

28. Amazing that the amnesia shrank from months to only hours...

More propoganda. I feel for the kid in getting caught up in political bullshit.

[shance]

31. When I think of the Iraqi medics and their version, not to mention their .

aid in helping Jessica - they were the true heroes.

It doesnt resonate with this made for tv drama.

[qanda]

35. The reason her rescuers are being killed

Is not so hard to understand now.

[sujan]

37. so why are they being killed?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

39. Kind of obvious, isn't it? The powers that be have created a hero...

...and they don't want the truth to conflict with their "official story".

[Media_Lies_Daily]

38. No, not at all...

...but considering the rather interesting theory that Flight 93 was shot down leaving an 8-mile debris trail just to create some 911 heroes, nothing surprises me anymore.

[SoCalDem]

40. This is an OUTRAGE.. Where are the freepers??

They are the ones who value TRUTH and accuracy in what was said and not said..or done and not done .. How can they stand this , so soon after the Reagan non-series???

They should be picketing the publisher, demanding the TRUTH.. If she cannot remember, then the "author" must be taking liberties with what was said to/by her and done to her.. How could she possible retell a story that she does not remember.. He must have made this up for "literary interest"..

We CANNOT tolerate this inaccurate rendition of such a TRUE LIFE WAR HEROINE WAR STORY..

[tlb]

45. This on its face is credible.

Two US female service persons were captured in Gulf War 1 and my recollection is both were reported to have been raped. I had always assumed this was also the case also with Lynch and Johnson.

[TheWebHead]

47. I agree..

Given the stigma of rape, why would anyone believe anyone would compell Lynch to lie about it? Knowing all that is wrong with the Bush administration and the justifications for the war, the problems with the post war, etc., why are people on DU always piling on Lynch? Yeah, criticize those that may exploit her, or the other P.O.W.'s that have been ignored, but give her a break. It's petty, mean-spirited, and really makes this forum look bad especially with the news of her being raped.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

49. She doesn't have to lie about it.... Says she doesn't remember.

These reports came from Walter Reed, I'll bet during her 12 week brainwashing- er- hospitalization.

[w13rd0]

50. Well, actually...

...it isn't news, it's a book that's apparently a sensationalized and to a small or large degree, fictionalized. Furthermore, it's not necessarily a "piling on" of Lynch, it's outrage at being fed lie after fabrication after lie after propaganda piece after...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

63. Hey, why don't you read posts #43 and #59 before you start blasting...

...other posters.

What really makes DUers look bad are the folks that accept every bit of "news" at face value...I thought we had all learned our lesson on that issue?

[bridge]

127. An answer to your question...

"...why are people on DU always piling on Lynch?"

Because there seems to be a group of people that post here who have some sort of vested interest in portraying the former Iraqi regime (Saddam and his fedayeen boys)as nothing but the victims in this whole situation...even if that means high-fiving an American body count or making sport of the brutality inflicted on Lynch.

[leesa]

71. And who reported that. Do you always fall for this stuff

Did you believe the babies thrown out of incubators storys too? Of course it's possible, but doubtful given the circumstances and the complete lack of proof, witnesses, physician corroberation, victim memory, which her parents say was not lost. Come on. PURE propaganda and she should be ashamed for participating in this. If she can't remember then what right does she have to accuse them based on nothing.

[Dhalgren]

72. Look, the report said the claim was based on medical

records. She doesn't remember being raped, but there are 3 or 4 hours of time right after the accident where she has memory loss. If there was no rape, she should not sign off on the reporting of one, but if medical examination shows that she was raped, then what is she to do? Deny it? The point is not whether it happened or not - not to us,anyway - the point is that now that this is out there it will influence people's opinions on the war, on Iraqis, on Bush, and on anti-war folks - candidates included. That's the big point to this crap - spin.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

78. Question: How did the author get access to Lynch's alleged...

..."medical records"? Based on my memory of being in the military, medical records were kept confidential even after the person had left the military.

And you do know that Bragg was fired from a major newspaper for allowing others to do his "legwork"?

[zonmoy]

117. Basicly it is just dribble

being fed to the brainwashed masses.

[TacticalPeek]

91. Guys too.

[cknoch]

101. Common terror tactic of this regime

Anti-War vs. "Let's bomb the hell out of a defenseless nation for profit" argument aside.

The act of raping captive women has been used in the Middle East and many other regions for years as a form of torture and interogation. In fact, the Western World is one of the first in history not to employ this tactic with imprisoned women....

[Djinn]

122. Western World does not "employ" rape???

Ask Vietnamese women over a certain age about certain US and Australian troops? Ask women in prison ANYWHERE in the western world and I think your belief that no-one in the western world uses rape against captured/imprisoned women (and men for that matter) might be a little shaken. Rape is not specific to certain classes, races, religions or even gender.

[bluedeminredstate]

46. You know, as much as I want to discount

this almost bodice-ripping account(I mean it in a cheesy, not sexual way) that is a parody of how reporters are supposed to tell the facts, isn't it conceivable that some soldiers raped her and then others who found that kind of abuse abhorent did the right thing and helped her.
Isn't that possible? We know from Viet Nam that some of our own troops were capable of unspeakable brutality toward women, but there were many who protected them as well. Why couldn't that be the case here?
As firm as her family has been with setting the story straight when the Pentagon exaggerated her amnesia, her wounds, her condition - I wonder if she'd let this be printed with her permission unless there was some evidence to back it up.
That said, I hope she can move beyond this once the movie and book make their splash. She's been used. This writer is a hack and should be using his "talents" perhaps as a soap opera writer.

[w13rd0]

48. I'd also like to note...

...that supposedly she's getting married. But the headlines declare "JESSICA WAS RAPED BY SAVAGE IRAQIS THAT HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS". It all stinks, from top to bottom. The continual lies make us so bitter and cynical, but I agree, I don't buy this at all, and even were she to now make a statement, I wouldn't believe it. These days, I'm not believing much of anything that I don't see with my own eyes, and even that I'm fairly skeptical about.

[RapidCreek]

51. Maybe she was, maybe she wasn't

It's sort of difficult to believe much of anything concerning Ms. Lynchs capture after all the related lies the Administration has subjected us too. I'd have to see a copy of the "records" which are being used as evidence of the rape, before I could believe it actually occured.

How unfortunate that our Administration used this lady in such a deplorable way. Her claims will always be suspect now.

Interesting, isn't it, that the rape of US Airforce Cadets by their male counterparts isn't met with nearly as much outrage by our Neocon friends. It gives one the impression that the nationality and skin tone of the rapist, is more important than the rape, itself. I wonder if the black lady who was captured was raped as well? One has to wonder why we havn't heard about that, either way.

RC

[tedzbear]

52. This fabrication is even more disgusting because...

...the administration is going beyond the selling of a phony war hero to the demonizing of Islamic men (Christian-Jewish US soldiers would NEVER commit anal rape, let alone any rape). Being gay, I also see the "anal rape" as a back handed slur against homosexuals. It subliminally addresses the hetero male's fear of being raped by a man which allows the male reader to have even more empathy for the soldier.
:kick:

[Zhade]

95. Good point, Teddy Bear!

Er, I mean, Ted The Bear! :D

I'm queer (bi-flavored), and I agree, the whole anal-rape thing (while it does happen) seems to be thrown out a lot as a lurid detail to creep out Whitey McStraight.

[gandalf]

53. Iraqis are cruel. They even threw babies out of incubators...

... in the first Gulf War.
So this must be true.

[JawJaw]

54. Sad But True

Lynch has been raped by the Bush propaganda machine

[TrueStory]

55. If she doesn't remember anything, what proves it was a rape?

It could be consensual sex as well...

[chapter32]

82. A very good point. n/t.

[cknoch]

102. You're a sick person...

...I bet you'd say that to a raped girl who drank to much at a party!!!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

106. And you're reacting exactly the way they want you to react...

...long on emotion, short on facts.

Ask yourself the following:

1) Is Ms. Lynch quoted directly about the rape story?

2) How did Bragg get access to Ms. Lynch's medical record, a record that is kept under lock and key even after the person leaves the service?

3) Why was the author, Mr. Bragg, fired from a major newspaper?

4) Why was Ms. Johnson, Lynch's fellow POW, not questioned as to whether or not she was raped after her capture by the Iraqis?

5) After supposedly assaulting Ms. Lynch, why did the Iraqis take her to a hospital where she was treated better than the Iraqi patients?

Maybe you ought to read some of the posts questioning the credibility of the author of this so-called book before you start launching an attack on people making honest observations.

[TrueStory]

129. It's not against Jessica, it's against the Bush&Co who invented the story

I feel sorry for Jessica, but since she agreed to participate in this story I'm considering her just a piece on the Grand Chessboard.

There is a logical gap in Bush&Co's story and I'm using it.
If the drank girl has been raped but she can't remember, than at least she must feel a pain in the ass to realise that something happened.
Did Jessica said she felt like being raped?
NO! She didn't.
=> The whole story is Bush&Co invention.

[Lurking Dem]

103. If she can't remember

then she was not in a position to consent, from any legal perspective.

I have no idea if this story is true or not but rape vs. consensual sex should be a no brainer concept.

[TrueStory]

128. She could have anal sex with a US soldier before the incident

Since she didn't denied this => it is a valid possibility

There is NO evidence which supports the rape story. The so called "records" can't indicate if she got the scratches in her anus before or after the accident.

"The records do not tell whether her captors assaulted her almost lifeless, broken body after she was lifted from the wreckage, or if they assaulted her and then broke her bones into splinters until she was almost dead."

[Nlighten1]

57. What happened to her amnesia?

[0007]

58. This is extremely ambiguous!

WTF sex sells big time to the sheep. Just look at the Kobe thingy.

But it will work for the greedy slimly money lords.

This incident will inspire the special gun ho assassins to kill those dirty rotten raping raghead Iraqis, and make Boykin look like a saint.

This is sick!!

[CaptainMidnight]

60. This is what I heard...

Not only was she anally raped...

According to Top Secret Pentagon satellite surveillance photos, she was anally raped while IN AN INCUBATOR! An incubator that was MASSING ALONG THE SAUDI/IRAQI BORDER, ready to invade Saudi Arabia along with over 100,000 other incubators...

Captain Mike

[lumpy]

62. One thing for sure

This surmissed revelation will certainly help book sales.

[Nihil]

65. Not just the book ...

Think about the "director's cut" of the movie!

Should be able to get about 15 minutes of material (including a few
selective flashbacks) from that little (alleged) episode starting
from a few "filthy-fantasy" comments from the swarthy-looking
ambushers, through the unrevealing but suggestive unzipping of their
uniform trousers while approaching the vehicle to a couple of "wake
up in a cold sweat just before realising what caused the traumatic
loss of memory" moments and the final thrust-by-thrust scene (just
before the brutal creatures were mercifully slain by an exploding
petrol tank).

Not to mention all of the therapy-related spin-offs ("Amnesia cure?
You bet!") and ambulance-chasing lawyers ("You too might have been
anally raped when you were unconscious after your traffic accident!").

Or am I being a trifle cynical here?

Nihil

[Heitie]

67. So "records indicate"

means, what? That she has a scar which may or may not be consistent with an anal rape scenario? What ELSE could it mean? Possibly that she was in an auto accident that left her body...scarred? Maybe?

I'd like to see these medical reports, not because it's my business, but because these people are making it EVERYONE's business by making a huge public issue of it.

If it happened then I'm very sorry that she had to go through something so awful, even not remembering the act itself. These things should never happen. If it didn't, then how dare they manipulate our emotions like this? As much as they leave it in the fine print that it's a "possibility", they know darn well many people will take it as fact just from the shock value alone. Either way, leave the girl alone for godsake.

[Dhalgren]

68. This rape story may or may not be true.

It isn't absurd to think that she may have been raped. It is difficult to visualize how it could have occurred, given the setting and the action, but it is possible. There are sick bastards in every army, in every town. There are sick bastard Iraqis, sick bastard Brits, sick bastard Americans, sick bastard Bulgarians. It is hard for me to grasp someone raping a comatose girl, who is little more than a bag of broken bones, but re: the sick bastards.

The point to all of this, now, that Pvt. Lynch is save, if not sound, is that this will get Bush elected in '04. This will be an undercurrent in every voting booth in the country. Remember with the country so evenly divided (even after 4 years of criminal mismanagement and war crimes)it will only take a few percentage points to turn the election. This will provide those percentage points.

[sistersofmercy]

73. And more from the people who brought us Willie Horton during the 88

election. That's right folks didn't you read the stories? Saddam was a rapist, his sons were rapist, the Iraqi soldiers during the Kuwaiti occupation were rapists. The Iraqi soldiers raped mothers in front of their children. And to top it all of they threw babies out of incubators on to the streets to die of exposure. Yep the Iraqis rape women with cattle prods and all sorts of other things. Rape, rape, rape, Iraqis rape. Brought to you by the BFEE.

[Catt03]

74. Not about Lynch

It is about the US government and how they twisted and spinned this story so that now there is little that has credibility.

Lynch is another victim of Bush/Rove/Rumsfield.

[gbwarming]

76. This book totally contradicts the Bush PR spin. Why the giant pile on?

I really don't get it. This is the FIRST time she has told her story and it TOTALLY CONTRADICTS the bush/rove version. Also TOTALLY CONTRADICTS the Iraqi lawyer story the incubator-baby-propagandists are promoting.

No amnesia
Good treatment by Iraqi medical staff
Didn't fire a shot
Iraqis tried to return her and were shot at.

---------------------------

But while early Pentagon reports suggested the young Army private heroically resisted capture, Lynch told Bragg she never fired a shot, because her M-16 jammed. "I didn't kill nobody," she said.

Lynch also denied in the book claims by Iraqi lawyer Mohammed Odeh Al-Rehaief, who said he saw one of former Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein's black-clad Fedayeen slap her as she lay in her hospital bed.

"Unless they hit me while I was asleep - and why do that?" she said.

Lynch described to Bragg how Iraqi doctors were branded "traitors" by Saddam's henchmen for helping her and how they tried to treat her wounds in a shattered hospital where painkillers were scarce. She said one nurse tried to ease her agony by singing to her.

"It was a pretty song," she said. "And I would sleep."

Lynch also confirmed reports in the book that Iraqi doctors tried to sneak her to safety in an ambulance but turned back when wary U.S. soldiers opened fire on them.

[psychopomp]

77. This has to stop

...this war, I mean. It is just horrible what it is doing to people. Here is what humans do for each other in the right circumstances:

snip-

Lynch described to Bragg how Iraqi doctors were branded "traitors" by Saddam's henchmen for helping her and how they tried to treat her wounds in a shattered hospital where painkillers were scarce. She said one nurse tried to ease her agony by singing to her.

"It was a pretty song," she said. "And I would sleep."
:cry:

Bring the troops home

[Media_Lies_Daily]

79. The "pile on" has to do with the truthfulness of the...

...rape story itself, and the demonstrated lack of veracity by Bragg, the author of the book.

Why no quotes from Ms. Johnson, who was not only captured but remained conscious throughout her ordeal as a POW? If the rape sory is true for Ms. Lynch, wouldn't it also be true for Ms. Johnson? Wouldn't that have added much needed weight to this story line?

[htuttle]

80. Wasn't she anally raped with a baby incubator?

Or was it a canister of chemical weapons?

:eyes:

(sorry...not buying it anymore)

[Gin]

81. SHE didn't get raped.....WE in this country got raped....first by a SC

selection...then an illegal invasion...then..robbing our treasury and first and foremost..the loss of our men and women in a country that never asked to be "liberated"

I do not believe a word of any story about her...and I do not believe she cannot remember. She cannot recall..what did not happen.

[ohiosmith]

84. Who's medical records and what scars

indicate she was raped? How was it determined that the trauma to her anus or rectum resulted from a rape by her captors? Tissue damage to that area can result from any number of causes including chronic constitpation and in many cases never completely heals.

[Beaker]

88. even consensual anal sex causes scars

even with a lubricant.

I'm sorry for her ordeal, (and even moreso for the continuing ordeal of Ms. Johnson) but if she can't remember it, how can it be concluded that she was raped?

[1songbird]

86. This does not past the smell test

[ohiosmith]

90. No pun intended!

[Zhade]

92. YOU FUCKING LIARS.

Oh no, it's not enough just to lie about the "ambush" (car crash), the "bravery under fire" (as Lynch lies unconcious), the "horrible treatment" (the nurse singing her to sleep!), and the "dramatic rescue" (from a friendly Iraqi hospital with NO enemy soldiers, after one Iraqi doctor attempted to return her in an ambulance and WAS FIRED ON BY US TROOPS)...

No, NOW, of course, we "learn" Lynch was "raped". This is SICKENING. Do they even understand that lies like this make them all the more hated by the decent Iraqis who do no harm to our troops?

And they wonder why there's a resistance. Fucking idiot traitors.

[eissa]

98. This is a complete lie

One of my closest friends is a die-hard repuke (I know, I know -- I just choose to overlook it!). Her husband is a military man. She swore up and down that female military personnel captured during the first gulf war were raped also (she mentioned this years ago, before this whole Lyin Lynch thing came out). It just goes with that whole racist image that repukes have of swarthy men just wanting white women.

[Bragi]

94. Why so defensive?

If I may raise a point gently among friends, why do people who opposed the war feel the need to be defensive about any harm which may have been done to Lynch?

The cricism of the Lynch rescue has to do with how it was dishonestly spun for propaganda purposes. No-one has any reason I can see to demonize Lynch herself.

And the main point is that we weren't the ones who put her in harm's way. Bush and war cabal are responsible for this, not the antiwar movement.

-Bragi

[Zhade]

96. It's not about Lynch. It was never about Lynch, to TraitorCo.

They spun and lied, and made up so much bullshit, that now we don't believe anything a discredited "journalist" writes in a book where he "often" uses her own words. Go figure. It's a sad turn of events for Lynch herself.

I wonder if she was threatened initially to prevent her from blowing open the whole rescue propaganda?

[skypilot]

97. This is a long thread...

...so I don't know if someone has said this already but I think someone is trying to drum up interest in the upcoming TV movie about Lynch. A few weeks ago on one of those tabloid new shows (I can't remember which one)they interviewed the guy who claims that he saw Lynch getting slapped around. Now, Lynch herself is saying that it didn't happen--"unless they hit me while I was asleep" she says. Now, this rape story. It almost seems like the most sick kind of advertising. The Lynch story would have faded into the background by now but they've got to keep people pumped about it in anticipation of the TV movie, even if that means juicing up the story with tales of anal rape. Sick!!!

[Judi Lynn]

109. You made a great point

I had not heard what she said about the alleged mistreatment in the hospital.

Makes this story look even more contrived, if possible!

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

100. Army denies Private Lynch shooting (ITV Release fm. July)

http://www.itv.com/news/230875.html

An official US Army report due out shortly is expected to knock down much of the myth over a young woman soldier who was captured in Iraq.

For many Americans - and Hollywood - the tale of photogenic 19-year-old Private Jessica Lynch, and her rescue by US special forces, has come to symbolise heroism in the war.

But the US Army report is expected to reject claims she was shot and stabbed during a fierce gunbattle before her capture.

It is believed to say she instead sustained "horrific injuries" in a crash trying to escape the ambush - and that Iraqi doctors saved her life.

"Lynch survived principally because of the medical attention she received from the Iraqis," according to one US official.
<snip>

[tom_paine]

104. I, too, think this stinks of a lie

But it might be true. In Imperial Amerika one cannot tell...so thick are the lies told by the Busheviks and considering there is not a Free Press to debunk them.

Corporate TV Pravda is not a Free Press. Not even close.

[zonmoy]

118. There is always web sites

like this one and of course whatreallyhappened.com

[Cooley Hurd]

107. This is nothing to make light of...

To those who find this a source of amusement, and you know who you are, for shame...

However, I find it difficult to believe her captors would rape a person as badly injured as she was after the accident. I find it harder to believe that they would bring her to a hospital after raping her. All of this is solely on the word of the Defense Dept (Rummy, Wolfowitz, et al) and the Army, since Pvt Lynch has no recollection of the alleged incident.

If the Defense Dept is indeed lying about this incident and subjecting this girl to the horror of a percieved rape, there better be prosecutions!

[gbwarming]

119. Happened before

A flight surgeon on a 1991 search and rescue mission in Iraq, Cornum was captured when her helicopter was shot down. She took a bullet in the shoulder, had a shattered knee and could not move her badly broken arms. Cornum says her main concern when an Iraqi soldier began to unzip her pants in the truck that picked her up was whether the pending assault would aggravate her grievous injuries.

http://www.feminist.com/news/news181.html

[rocktivity]

108. SEZ WHO?

Her? She doesn't remember. That is, she allegedly doesn't remember--I have yet to hear HER say that she doesn't remember anything.

The doctors who examined her? Did they say so "condition of anynomity?" Or did Jessica's medical records happen to fall into the author's hands?

"The scars on her battered body?" Hello, she was in a CAR ACCIDENT!!! Isn't it the scars IN her battered body that would count here?

I'm not calling anyone a liar. But in view of all that's been said and not said about this story, and that Jessica's book deal and media tour coincides with her impending marriage, you'd be nuts NOT to be skeptical. To paraphrase a line from the Bette Davis movie The Little Foxes, sometimes cynicism is just an unpleasant form of truth.


rocknation

P.S. And by the way, what proof is there that it was "the Iraqi captors" who did it?

[DiverDave]

112. LIES, LIES,LIES!!

Do you think, for 1 minute, that the junta would not use this as soon as it was discovered?
This is a blatant lie to sell books.
I just wonder how many IDIOTS believe it.
This stinks. As does this whole propaganda attempt.
Goes to show how stupid the publisher thinks people are. Which IMO is pretty stupid, to believe this crap.

[Demonaut]

113. It would seem

that again the NeoCons advance a sordid story providing titilation and patriotism..Its the dichotomy of their whole agenda. The only ones who really know the truth are Lynch and her captors and Lynch's statements immediatly after the rescue did not include rape nor slapping...this is another feel good story...this canvas was just waiting for a masterpiece.

[Myra]

123. Those fiends!

It's just like in Iraq War 1 when those
dastardly Iraqis unpluged resperators with
little helpless babies in them...

Oh wait. That turned out to be fabricated
propaganda to turn us against the Iraqis.

Whatever! There's no avoiding this conclusion,
that country is turning into shit.
"Sheriff murdered, crops burned, stores looted,
people stampeded, and cattle raped."

Sources/attribution for referenced fictional material:
Mel Brooks, "Blazing Saddles"
Unknown writer, "Gulf War/Iraq War 1"

[Unknown Known]

125. This is the Regnery version of "Uncle Tom's Cabin"

to incite the masses. Sweet blond-haired, blue-eyed American virgin is brutally raped by big, dark savage beast.

[glitch]

126. it's interesting that you guys keep bringing up the incubator

propaganda.
from http://www.democracynow.org/
The PR Specialist of Debunked Persian Gulf War Incubator Story Promotes New Book on Lynch "Rescue" Weapons of Mass Deception co-author John Stauber takes a look at how a new...

check out the Friday, October 17th, 2003 show.

[enki23]

130. hey now. she may well have been raped.

she was badly hurt, in a vehicle accident and otherwise. don't jump on the administration bandwagon and pretend vehicle accident casualties in a war zone are somehow not real casualties. that's just absurd. the girl got fucked up badly, and there's really little doubt of that. some of saddam's forces were brutal thugs, and there's little reason to doubt that either. not all iraqis need to be good guys for this war to be a very bad idea, and if you depend on that assumption to make your case you are as wrong as the hawks have shown themselves to be.