CIA official: White House aide suggested speech wording

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CIA official: White House aide suggested speech wording
By JAMES RISEN and DAVID E. SANGER
New York Times News Service



WASHINGTON -- A senior CIA officer told Congress that a national security aide at the White House was the official who proposed wording for President Bush's State of the Union address that included a specific reference to Iraq's efforts to acquire uranium from Niger.

Despite doubts at the CIA over the accuracy of the intelligence on the purported uranium deal, the agency dropped its objections to including the allegation in the speech after the White House agreed to make the reference to it more general and attribute it to British intelligence.

This account, according to intelligence officials was given by Alan Foley, a top CIA expert on weapons of mass destruction, during a closed-door hearing of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Wednesday. Foley's account conflicts with the account of how the speech was drafted provided by the White House in recent days.

Foley told the Senate committee that Bob Joseph, a proliferation expert at the National Security Council, sent him the proposed wording that included the reference to Niger a day or two before the president's January address. Foley told lawmakers that he then told Joseph that the CIA wasn't certain about the credibility of the evidence concerning Niger, and recommended that it be taken out of the speech.


more.....

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2000039


More details of the closed door meeting

Foley's testimony contradicts Joseph

OH BOY!! HEE HEE HEE!!:bounce: :nuke:

[I AM SPARTACUS]

1. so what? an aide suggested it, but I suppose someone of authority

actually READ it, CHECKED it, and APPROVED it...unfortunately for you, Smirko Gang, I doubt that your offer of an aide will suffice for an excuse of lying to the US citizens in the SOTU...

[indictrichardperle]

2. Who heads up NSC ?

Chevron Condi ? didnt she just issue a public denial of everything last week ?

Cmon, lets get to Scooter Libby, what was his input ? Gi
ngrich and Cheney constantly visiting the CIA? The OSP ?

[goforit]

3. Plot thickens!!!!

OMG!!!!!

CIA is Unified!!!!

Go Guys!!!!!!

:wow: :bounce: :wow:

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4. The Key point is the CONFLICTING TESTIMONY between Foley & Joseph

Very Intersting! Is Foley another John DEAN! :bounce:

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5. Who is Foley?

Does anybody know anything on this guy? :bounce:

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6. Is Foley the CIA or OSP! I can't keep these guys straight!

:bounce: This musta been what Durbin was hinting at today when he came out of the close doors!

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7. Alan Foley, a veteran Soviet military analyst head of the Arms Control Int

I found this on Alan Foley from an early article

CIA Focuses on Doomsday Arms
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/3/12/101706.shtml

Under the Bush-Cheney administration, the CIA is gearing up as never before to monitor the growing spread of missile technology and mass-destruction weapons.
George J. Tenet, director of the Central Intelligence Agency, has created a unit of 500 analysts, scientists and support personnel whose sole task will be to keep the new president and Congress better informed on worldwide nonproliferation and arms-control issues.

snip....

What Tenet has done is to merge three existing CIA analytic staffs under Alan Foley, a veteran Soviet military analyst who, as head of the Arms Control Intelligence Staff, spent the past three years supporting arms-control treaty negotiators. Foley will report directly to the CIA chief.


snip...

Foley will now be responsible as well for the existing Nonproliferation Center, which dealt with a broad range of proliferation issues, and the Office of Transnational Issues' Weapons Intelligence Staff, composed largely of scientists and engineers.

OK Foley was in this WAY WAY DEEP!! :bounce:

[goforit]

8. WOW!!!!........this is fascinating. Brings more questions to the table.

I wonder how strong a relationship he has had with all
concerned.

:wow:

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9. Who Can We Blame? Who Should We Blame?

I found this GREAT Article when I googled Alan Foley

http://www.liberalslant.com/jjm071403.htm


Who Can We Blame? Who Should We Blame?


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By: John J. Malone - 07/14/03



After pointing the finger at the CIA for the appearance of misleading statements in his State of the Union address, the president has expressed his full confidence in George Tenet, the intelligence agency's director.

Not surprising. Wouldn't you have complete confidence in a loyal bootlicker who would be willing to fall on his sword for you? I know I would. Tell an egregious and deliberate lie and then have someone else take responsibility for not stopping you from doing it? Sounds like a great deal.

Let me break this down for you:

President Bush said in his State of the Union address on January 28, 2003:


"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."


Pretty serious stuff. Serious enough to scare the bejesus out of a frightened American public still reeling over September 11th. Serious enough to convince many fence-sitting skeptics that Iraq posed an imminent threat to our security. Serious enough to justify a war even. That is, if you believe it.

Problem is, the CIA had been unable to corroborate this report despite furious attempts to do so. The most significant such attempt was made in February of 2002 according to a piece in last Sunday's New York Times written by Joseph Wilson. In the piece, Wilson, a former U.S. ambassador and National Security Council aide, writes that the CIA sent him to Niger in February of 2002, at the behest of Vice President Dick Cheney's office. His mission, which was no secret, was to investigate the claim and report back. Mr. Wilson returned with the conclusion that the allegation was false and filed a full and complete report.


more....



Here's how it went down: according to Alan Foley, a proliferation expert at the CIA, he was questioned by Robert G. Joseph, a nuclear proliferation expert at the National Security Council, about the use of the uranium claim in a draft of the State of the Union address. Foley (CIA) objected to the use of the claim because the intelligence was weak and had been essentially discredited. Joseph (NSC) then cited the British report. Foley countered that the CIA did not believe the report was correct. Joseph then asked Foley to at least confirm that the British had indeed made such a report. Foley confirmed that this was true, the British had issued such a report. End of discussion.


This Is BIG TIME :bounce:

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10. Foley isn't falling on the Sword! He's either lying or telling the truth!

or is Joseph Lying?????


Thats the ????

:bounce:

OH FOLEY isn't playing the game & Wilson isn't playing the game!

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11. Robert Joseph Who is he? He has Many titles! Special Assistant to Prez

This is from a transcript




Honorable Robert G. Joseph, Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director, Proliferation Strategy, Counterproliferation and Homeland Defense, National Security Council


Transcript

Session 1 - October 16, 2002

Security Challenges in the New Reality


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“Countering Weapons of Mass Destruction in a New National Security Strategy”

The Honorable Robert G. Joseph, Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director, Proliferation Strategy, Counterproliferation and Homeland Defense, National Security Council


Pfaltzgraff: … I want next to turn to Dr. Robert Joseph. This topic is, of course, a logical outgrowth of what Steve has already told us when he mentioned weapons of mass destruction. We asked Dr. Joseph to talk about the topic, “Countering WMD in the New National Security Strategy.”
Bob Joseph is Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Proliferation Strategy, Counterproliferation and Homeland Defense in the National Security Council. He previously was the Director of the Center for the Counterproliferation Research at National Defense University. He is a person whom I have known for more than 20 years and, in fact, I should add that I first met him when he came up to teach for an academic year at the Fletcher School more than 20 years ago, as a matter of fact.

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Joseph: ....Last month the President released the first National Security Strategy Document of his administration. It differs substantially from his predecessors in two fundamental ways. First our strategy rejects the long-standing and what I believe to be false dichotomy between power and values. From the very first paragraph the document emphasizes the goals of universal human rights and the President’s personal commitment to promoting political and economic freedom as the appropriate model for national success.

In this context the document acknowledges the unparalleled political and military strength of the United States and emphasizes the need to use this strength, not to create unilateral advantage but to promote a peace and security that can improve the conditions of all societies. But perhaps the greatest difference that this document presents from those of the past is in the description of and the prescription for defending against today’s threats.
Here the impact of the events of September 11th are very clear. The war against terrorism and against terrorists with global reach and, indeed, perhaps weapons of mass destruction is a new type of war that requires us to think differently about or enemies and to harness new tools and methods to defeat them. But the origins of the administration’s strategy for dealing with contemporary threats and especially weapons of mass destruction in the hands of both rogue states and terrorists pre-date September 11th.

more...


http://www.ifpafletcherconference.com/marines2002/joseph.htm

And if Tinnoire is out there and reads this look at the signia on the right which says its the 33rd Conference of IFPA Fletcher Conference

33 see the number what a coincidence!! :bounce:

[ex_jew]

12. Something else about Joseph -

He got a degree from that far-right diploma mill, the University of Chicago, just like Wolfowitz, Ashcroft and many other unpleasant people. I'm so ashamed of my alma mater. When I went there we thought Milton Friedman was pretty bad, but he had nothing to do with the Straussian constellation.

[Gingersnap]

15. Hey, wait a minute

I got my degree there too (BA not MBA--but which biz school isn't a "far right diploma mill) and I didn't find it to be either right wing or a diploma mill. Susan Sontag, Philip Glass, Kurt Vonnegut etc. all went there. Enough to cancel out the taint of Wolfie, eh?

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16. Interesting Guys

:bounce:

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13. Joseph Has Many titles! of which he changed in Fall of 2001

Ambassador Robert G. Joseph is Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Proliferation Strategies, Counterproliferation, and Homeland Defense, U.S. National Security Council Staff. He is recognized as a leading member of the group of Republican defense strategists whose writings helped to shape the national security outlook of candidate George W. Bush. Since joining the Bush administration, Ambassador Joseph has played a key role on such issues as developing a new strategic framework with Russia and improving coordination of U.S. counterproliferation initiatives.


Here is article in

The interview was conducted on October 15, 2001, by Leonard S. Spector, Deputy Director of the Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Monterey Institute of International Studies and Editor-in-Chief of the Center's publications.

ORGANIZATION OF NSC STAFF
NPR: Thank you for agreeing to this interview with The Nonproliferation Review. Let me begin by saying that my colleagues at the Monterey Institute and I recognize the great effort the administration is making to respond to the terrorist attacks of September 11. We all share your hopes for success.

I'd like to begin by asking you to comment on the new title that was given to your position when you joined the NSC staff. Formerly the position was "Senior Director for Nonproliferation." It is now called "Senior Director for Proliferation Strategies, Counterproliferation, and Homeland Defense." Why did you make these changes?

more....

http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/npr/vol08/83/jos83.htm


Joseph: Thank you for your words of support. As for the change in title, the Bush administration is strongly committed to reducing the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction (WMD). We believe this requires a multifaceted approach that combines traditional nonproliferation policies and programs—national, bilateral, and multinational—along with more active measures to deter and defend against existing and expanding threats posed by WMD and their delivery systems. "Counterproliferation" refers to those policies and programs needed to counter a wide spectrum of threats to the United States and to protect against the consequences of proliferation. We wanted to consolidate all of these under one Senior Director at the NSC to enhance coordination and heighten the visibility of these combined activities.<1>

Well Joseph would be the guy in the know! :bounce: He does have the title Special Assistant to the Prez! :bounce:

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14. Heres a article on Tenets restructuring of the CIA Interesting

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22035

WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS
CIA steps up weapons monitoring
Director creates 500-man unit to track mass destruction spread


By Jon Dougherty
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com

There is Nothing in this article that says Iraq has WMD. Other countries yes But Nothing on Iraq.


Tenet has known all along. :bounce: