Breaking news:Bush Promises to Defend New Abortion Law

[brucelee]

NEW YORK - The government promised to defend a new law banning certain late-term abortions, despite rulings by three federal judges who blocked its enforcement so legal challenges — which they concluded would likely succeed
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=718&e=3&u=/ap/20031107/ap_on_re_us/abortion_lawsuit

[w13rd0]

1. Let's see...

...we've got:

forced pregnancy advocates
suppression of dissent
governing by divine edict
crusades/jihads
oppression of homosexuals
demonization of the opposition
harsh sentencing with no judicial review
indeterminate incarcerations with no human rights provisions

How long will Bush wait to announce that he's actually been a member of the Taliban all along?

[Avalon Sparks]

2. You left off...

We lost the right to vote with the Republican owned and programmed touch screen voting machines.

[brucelee]

3. I dont understand what he is upto

sometimes he is Pro And other time he is anti- abortion?

[THUNDER HANDS]

20. when was bush ever PRO abortion?

I don't remember that annoucement?

[CO Liberal]

22. When He Forced His Underage Girfriend To Get an Abortion

Back before Roe v. Wade, when abortions were still illegal. It's been widely reported on the 'Net.

[MaineDem]

23. Are you kidding me????

Wow, I've never heard this. Would you happen to have a link for this?

[brucelee]

25. Bush is tring to make a come back stun for the election

but voters now know whom to vote this time for this election.
Once you cheat me shame on you ,twice you cheat me shame on me ,
I hope ppl in this country wont fall into second catagory

[Don_G]

4. A Government That Dosen't Enforce It's Own Law?

Seems to me that this happened 70 years ago in Nazi Germany after Hitler took over.

[truthisfreedom]

5. the constitution and women's health and safety mean nothing to bushco

and neither do our tax dollars, which he will waste on this unconstitutional attempt while trying to win this and, ultimately fail, using our tax dollars as a way of trying to gain favor with the wingers.

[Noordam]

6. :kick:

:kick:

[OKHRANA]

7. hold it! this is about partial birth abortion

this is a brutal and cruel procedure, done very late-term, and this new law does have protections for the health of the mother.

Can't you all see what a trap this is being set up for us?

We oppose it and we get lumped in with brutality.

step 2 is we lose more elections.

some sanity please

[Bridget Burke]

8. You're wrong.

The law includes NO protection for the health of the mother. It outlaws rare procedures that are sometimes medically necessary.

Why aren't those who support Bush as he sends more soldiers to kill and be killed "lumped in with brutality"?

You've picked an interesting name. Wasn't the Okhrana the Czar's secret police? Out subverting the Reds "from within"?

[kayell]

10. Let's try looking at some facts

Third trimester abortions are extremely rare. Only four one-hundredths of one percent of all abortions -- four out of every ten thousand -- are performed after the 26th week of pregnancy. Very few doctors even perform third-trimester abortions. Most of these rare procedures are performed in the most severe of circumstances: because the woman's life or health is endangered, or because the fetus suffers from severe abnormalities.
http://www.caral.org/1.lateterm.fact.html

Statistics compiled by the Alan Guttmacher Institute's research confirm the 600-per-year figure and indicate that abortions in the third trimester (the 7th, 8th and 9th months) of pregnancy are indeed very rare, accounting for fewer than 0.04% of abortions. Third trimester abortions are done when necessary to protect a woman's life or health, in many cases when there are severe fetal abnormalities that make it risky to continue the pregnancy. A large percentage of second trimester abortions, particularly those in the late second trimester, are performed for the same reasons.

Doctors can choose among several late-term abortion procedures. Intact D&E is one of the least-used procedures, but is selected when other procedures would present greater risk to the women's life, health, or future childbearing, usually when the fetus is severely deformed and other procedures would cause greater blood loss or greater risk of tearing the woman's cervix and uterus.
http://www.korrnet.org/choicetn/late.term.html

One of the horrible ironies of this ban is that it victimizes women who are in the late stages of a desired pregnancy, but who have to abort because of serious medical reasons. The ban trys to turn these women who are already suffering the agony of knowing that the child they wanted is not viable, is horribly deformed, or who are at terrible personal health risk into monsters in the public eye.

Added: This response is to Okhrana. Sorry I put it in the wrong place.

[MaineDem]

9. Double check your facts

I believe the stays against this law are because it does NOT have a provision for "health of the mother".

And PBA is the right-wing term for this procedure.

[libertad]

11. It does not have protections for the health of the woman.

That is one of the main problems with this law. Not to mention that it is so vague that it outlaws more than one type of safe late term abortion.

[MUAD_DIB]

12. Question for you.

If the Doctors that perform late term abortions call it late term abortion then why are you calling it partial birth abortion?

Curious. Isn't that terminology that has been developed by the right to life movement?

Interesting that you would use the words we, oppose, and brutality to describe those who would fight for a woman's right to choose.

Nice try.

[Ramsey]

14. Let's not confuse ourselves with the facts

The so-called "partial birth abortion ban" has NO provision to protect the HEALTH of the mother, only the mother's life. Thus, only if the mother is actively dying as a direct result of the pregnancy is the exception allowed. What about the situation where the mother is not dying but may suffer permanent disability as a result of continuing the pregnancy? No exception for that.

Secondly, and very importantly, there IS NO SUCH THING as a "partial birth abortion". This is NOT a medical term and the bill does not specify the medical terminology that would clarify exactly which procedure(s) is banned. Therefore the law can be interpreted narrowly or broadly in order to limit ALL second and third trimester abortions. In fact, some doctors have already said they will take this conservative interpretation and no longer perform any second trimester abortions in order to escape possibly criminal liability. This was done intentionally. The Repukes knew what they were doing when they left the language vague and non-scientific.

I am a physician and I work in government relations for my professional society, so take my word for it when I say the Congress can use very specific medical terminology in legislation when it suits them to do so. In this case, it did not, so they purposely made the language vague so they could use it to eradicate abortion services completely.

Along with mandatory waiting periods, graphic mandatory anti-abortion literature and violence against family planning clinics and providers, the goal of the rabid anti-abortion forces is to make availability so scarce that they eliminiate abortion services de facto. This law hands them another weapon in their already vast armamentarium. Do not fall for the right wing spin about "brutality". Doctors are not brtual people, and none would perform a late term dilitation and extraction unless there was a compelling reason to do so. This law was totally unnecessary as the procedure targeted (at least in public discussion) is already exceedingly rare. This bill is all about the right wing's intention to eliminate all abortions, and their hatred for women. Especially women who can think for themselves.

[MaineDem]

15. Thank you for this excellent response

Very well stated.

[realFedUp]

28. Thanks for your post

I don't know why women of any color would vote
for Bush.

[The Backlash Cometh]

13. His brother got away with breaking the separation of powers

in Florida with the Schiavo court opinion, so he's just doing the same thing. We all knew that the Republicans would trash the Constitution if it got in their way.

[Malva Zebrina]

16. I sometimes wonder at the logic

those who would claim the fertilized egg is a person with a soul--it surely makes no sense to be against third term or late term abortion -- calling it partial birth abortion-while allowing Roe vs Wade to stand, so I agree with those who speculate the Roe will be the next target by these grinning, bloviating misogynists. -two articles I read, BTW, described the D&E procedure as the allowing the fetus to be partially born and then "killed"--one of them was in the WP--that could be described that way but the journalist simply left it like that--did not offer any explanation that would in any way explain or make it more understandable as to the potential harm that could result to the mother if other methods other than D&E were used

[Ramsey]

18. The procedure

Technically, all abortions not carried out through a Ceasarian section allow the fetus to be "born", in that they are performed transvaginally. Most surgical methods require some type of extraction. The later in gestation, the less available other methods become (like medical abotifacients), because of the size of the fetus. But just remember that late term abortions (meaning late second trimester or any third trimester) are ALREADY almost exclusively done for a threat to the mother's life or severe fetal anomalies. Believe it or not, there are still plenty of women in this country without adequate health coverage and without access to adequate prenatal medical services, so it is entirely conceivable that fetal defects (many of which are incompatible with life) are discovered late in pregnancy. And usually because the mother has been made ill.

The whole argument by the right is just so much inflammatory rhetoric with no scientific basis designed to upset people. No physician would ever extract a viable living fetus only to intentionally kill it part way through the procedure. Clearly any viable fetus would be delivered alive if at all possible. That is why this bill is so ridiculous and unnecessary. Doctors already try to preserve the life of the fetus whenever possible. Late term abortions are never used for "contraception" because no doctor would consider it ethical.

[maxrandb]

37. If you were to describe ANY medical procedure

It would turn your stomach. Nobody wants to ban open heart surgery where they go in and break your ribs, pull them apart with a spreader, etc, etc, etc.

Jeeesh, even the description of a typical root canal would make most people puke. Over and over and over again you hear about 7 inch scissors and collapsing skulls. This is the rhetoric of the right.

[Gman]

17. This is called "energizing the base"

something we need to do more of

[kentuck]

19. Of course he will..

He has to have the abortion issue to divide and divert the American people from issues that really affect their lives...

[Gloria]

21. Before the media became controlled....

back during the Clinton Admin. we saw the hearings on TV with women speaking about this procedure...mature women, with families, families that would have been destroyed if these women hadn't had their lives saved by this medical intervention.

Heck, if you watch Maternity Ward on TLC you will sometimes see situations when there is a chance this would have to be used...

Frankly, I am so fed up by how "nice" we feel we have to be about this crap.
Because, as far as I'm concerned, we should counter the lingo of "baby killers" with some talk about "women killers."

I have a Becky Bell bracelet. Underage, forced to get parental approval. She didn't, got an illegal abortion and died.
Everyone with a brain knows that parental approval was deliberately left out of the law because many girls don't feel they can approach their parents with their problem.

So, who killed Becky Bell? Fanatics who want the law to intrude on private decisions. The WOMAN KILLERS of the far right.

End of rant. I'm sick of marching about this, 15-20 years later....

[pfitz59]

26. My father was a small town physician in the '60's!

He made many trips to the emergency room to care for women who had botched illegal abortions! Citizens of a certain age can vividly recall the horrors of pre-"Roe-vs-Wade" Amerika! Anti-abortionists have one agenda - the enslavement of women as property! They use sex and unwanted pregnacy as the club!

[bushisanidiot]

24. AWOL Declares "Death to Mothers!! Praise Jesus!"

what a dolt.

[proud patriot]

27. It's my Body , It's My choice

:grr:

[pfitz59]

29. Don't forget the photo.....

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/031106/photos_pl/mdf399782&e=4&ncid=27

Would you let any of these men near you wives or daughters?

[Sandpiper]

30. Just take a look at the picture...

And it tells you everything you need to know about the "partial birth abortion" ban and who's behind it. See any women in that picture? Nope, just a bunch of wrinkled old men.

[brucelee]

33. How come I dont see dick lieberman? in this photo?

[paulk]

34. Lieberman is pro-choice nt

[GalleryGod]

31. Did He say, "Bring 'Em On !!!"

Poppy should've "pulled-out" and left him on the sheets.

[proud patriot]

32. I promise to fight this law

everyday :grr:

[MaineDem]

36. Me too

I'll fight any bill/law that tries to take away our right to make a choice.

[gulliver]

35. They couldn't win on Iraq or the economy so what do they do?

Divide and conquer.

[Snellius]

38. Wait until Jenna's rape baby is born with two heads

You can bet that if one of the Bush twins was told by her doctors she would likely die in the process of giving birth to a malformed monstrosity, the BFEE would have her in some Swedish clinic before you could say "partial birth abortion".

[westernunion]

40. Hard to beleive we are living in the 21st century

In the USA

[janx]

41. It certainly is. All of a sudden we have the Bushies,

Jebby and George, making decisions about intimate live or die matters. Big, BIG Government.

[belle]

39. So, wait, but meanwhile, the law's being blocked from going into effect...

..., according to the article, it seems likely the new law will be found unconstitutional.
I hope so!

[hyphenate]

44. I say Let the Right Keep On

Messing with our rights and pro-choice measures. Even moderates should know that the extreme right is controlling the GOP and it will certainly help ultimately in the 2004 election.

[Lindacooks]

46. Well, we all know how much Bush respects the Constitution...

NOT!

Since this law is blatantly unconstitutional, it makes sense that chimpy would support it.

[sharonstone]

42. oh common bush

You have any better things to then pouring your finger in.....

[dArKeR]

43. Fury at Bush's civil rights policing of abortion ban - MG

The Bush administration has given the US justice department's civil rights division the job of enforcing a contentious new ban on late-term abortions, it emerged yesterday.

The move has provoked furious accusations that the White House is perverting the government's role in promoting civil rights.

In the past, the civil rights division has been instrumental in ensuring black Americans have the right to vote and equal access to housing, while prosecuting hate crimes against minorities.

The ban on late abortions, which was signed into law by President George Bush on Wednesday, has become a new legal battleground in the conflict between American liberals and the religious right.

http://www.mg.co.za/Content/l3.asp?ao=23256

[Just Me]

45. "the strong must protect the weak"

"...the strong must protect the weak,..", Bush said right before signing this particular legislation,...

Of course, his rule applies only to that specific political hotplate.

Exempt from his rule that "the strong must protect the weak" are those tens of millions without health care, those tens of millions without homes, those tens of millions without adequate protection from domestic abuse, those tens of millions without appropriate education, those tens of millions suffering psychological distress, that 99% of the populace "below" him, etc., etc., etc.

However, his rule obviously covers protection of corporate fraud (victimizing millions), protecting corporatations against taxes (amounting to billions), protecting human rights abuses (both corporate and government), protecting violations of international law, protecting unleashed cronyism and greed, protecting positions worse than predatory in any society, and leaving all those lives he is supposedley "protecting" behind in his predatory society.

Talk about SICK!!!! No wonder our country has so many problems.

[sharonstone]

47. Did he sign the document? or he mispelled like this letter?

[Solly Mack]

48. A law that does not recognise my rights is a law I don't recognise

I am under no obligation to adhere to the rules of any society that attempts to diminish me as a free being, capable of deciding what's best for me.

I respect no form of authority that would create a law chaining my body. If I don't own my body then I am not free. The most basic tenet of freedom is that a person is not the property of another....I am not the property of America, American voters, or American law.

I've never consented to be governed as the property of others...thereby rendering any social contract null and void. My obligation to society begins and ends with societies obligation to keep the trust. When that trust is broken, events are such that it is not only justifiable, but is my duty, to resist and counter all attempts to control and limit, a person's natural right to be master of their own body.