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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:04 AM
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Rejection of 'Earmarks' Angers Democrats
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Rep. Ralph Regula (R-Ohio), who chairs the subcommittee that controls spending on education, health and jobs programs, recently stunned Democrats by announcing plans to reject every "earmarked" project they are seeking in the final, compromise version of the bill, which funds the departments of Education, Health and Human Services, and Labor.

His reason: When the House passed the bill on July 10, all 198 Democrats present voted against it, several of them saying it shortchanged education programs. The bill passed, 215 to 208.

Regula defended his decision in a letter to Rep. David R. Obey (Wis.), the committee's ranking Democrat, saying: "It is not unique for chairmen -- and ranking members, for that matter -- to use a member's support, or lack of it, as a factor in sorting through the thousands of program and project requests received during the year."

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But the decision by Regula, a moderate Republican with a history of working collegially with the other party, has infuriated Democrats. Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) called the action an "abuse of power." Obey said Democrats were being punished for voting their consciences in July.

And Hoyer said: "To tell the 130 million people represented by Democrats that they are shut out from getting health and education projects is consistent with the undemocratic, autocratic, confrontational process that's being followed by House Republicans."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9715-2003Nov6.html
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:08 AM
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1. If this keeps up
we will have every right to secede from the union. Where does most the money come from in the United States? It comes from states like New York City that has wall street and states like California. And here we are, giving billions of dollars away in subsidies to corporations.

I will be willing to join the fight to secede from the union if they are going to play like this.
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:17 AM
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3. I think the fight we need to join...
Is the one to force the Repubs to secede from Congress...and to secede the Squatter-in-Chief from his unelected homesteading in the White House. These oafs are abusing power--and our ability to have even SOME power--at a level not seen in decades, and certainly not done to them when either Jim Wright or Tip O'Neill was in charge of the House. They cannot be allowed to get away with it, and our presidential candidates need to start making it an issue. How about it, Dick? It's YOUR house, after all!:mad:

B-)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:36 AM
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6. Bravo!
If you don't like what your government is doing, VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT, all of them! This is the power we hold, and we have to take it back. If your state is using Diebold machines with no paper trail, get an absentee (paper)ballot. Insist on it! Take the country back!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:45 PM
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13. Do we still have that power? I'm not so sure
And I'll be doubly unsure once we switch to Touchsecreen "voting".

Even IF the Busuebviks don't have their hands in both manual and electronic disenfranchisement strategies, which is by no means assured, then the Party-Loyal Right-Wing Sub-Media and the way it controls what Corporate TV Pravda reports on and ReichsRadio will assure the correct "innoculations" (it's a psychological term, look it up) for the Imperial Subject "to make the right decisions".
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:49 PM
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16. I know one way to help out...
...find out who's running against this congressman, and donate to their campaign.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:16 AM
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2. Isn't AWD running against Ralph Regula?
He can use this as an ammo.

PAGING AWD! PAGING AWD!
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:20 AM
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4. I find this so outrageous I am seeing red
It seems to me it should be illegal. Who is Awd?
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:19 PM
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11. Angry White Democrat, a DUer.
All-around good guy.
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:48 PM
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15. I'm on this one already
Regula did this over a week ago...we're already hammering on it in small circles.

I've been in touch with the DCCC, the Ohio Dem Party HQ, Pelosi's office, Obey's office, and Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur's office.

We have a plan of attack, and the first step is to expose a lie Regula told in his defense of this outrageous plan.

More on that lie later.

The next step is to make Regula expand on this move...he's an idiot when it comes to speaking on the fly, so we need to get him in front of cameras on this one.
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 02:32 PM
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22. Thank you!
Thank you AWD you go!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:30 AM
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5. i sent him the link for this thread

www.jeffseemannforcongress.com
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:52 PM
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19. Webpage still a demo version!
Full version up this weekend!

But go ahead and view the demo...issues are up (partially)
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:47 AM
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7. In the years the democrats controlled the house
did they punish the republicans this way?????

The republicans are really going into history with a large number of firsts!!!!!

They truly believe that the only Americans that are real are those who vote republican.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:47 PM
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14. Of course they didn't.
The Busheviks are Totalitarians unprecedented in American History.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 06:10 PM
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24. Your final sentence says it all.
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Vitruvius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:52 AM
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8. The (Democratic) "blue states" pay more taxes than they get back in
Edited on Fri Nov-07-03 12:09 PM by Vitruvius
Federal spending; the Bu$h* "red states" pay less taxes than they get back in federal spending.

In other words, the "blue states" are tax payers; the Rethugnican "red states" are tax consumers.

Now the Rethug red states' representatives have the brass nerve to shut us out from getting any earmarked Federal health & education projects. While loading up with plenty for themselves.

Bottom line: the Rethug red state reps say WE should pay the taxes so THEY can get a never-ending FREE LUNCH at our expense. And now they're saying we can't even get any CRUMBS -- all while WE pay the bill.

When the Dems come back to power, maybe we should END the blue state subsidies for the Rethug red states. We've been generous, we've subsidized them for years, we've been willing to help them as fellow Americans, and they give us the finger.

Generosity has its' limits. And I just reached the limit of mine.

Vitruvius

P.S: And I have not forgotten how many Rethug red staters squawked at the $20 billion to help New York after 9/11. Given that it was to be paid out over a period of years, that "help" was no more than a temporary reduction of the extra money that New York sends to Washington and never gets back in federal spending.

Even so, the Bu$h administration delayed it as long as they could and reneged on as much of it as they could. God forbid that we should be allowed to temporarily reduce our subsidies to the parasite Rethug red states while we get back on our feet after a terrorist attack that Bu$h & co very probably MIHOP or at-the-very-least LIHOP.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:20 PM
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12. This is the same frustration that some of us who live in red states
deal with also. The nuts here who screech about paying to fund education, and bitch about welfare don't like having it mentioned that we are welfare states! Our schools have been underfunded for years and these goofs don't realize that we're not paying our share to begin with much less to try to improve.

Please consider sharing your anger in a letter to:

Zach Wamp, Bill Frist, plaid-shirt, chattanoogan.com., the Knoxville Sentinnel, tennessean.com, Chattanooga News Free Press. When I write I usually receive the standard "piss off" reply, but perhaps if it came from others it would wake someone up as to just how bad things could really begin to suck here.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:57 AM
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9. It is part of a larger plan of the RNC to define the democratic party.
This action and the decision by the White House to no longer accept requests for information from democrats in Congress and the decision by the republicans in the Senate to force a 30 hour democratic filibuster of one of the blocked judicial nominees are coordinated. It is part of an ongoing republican strategy that the democratic party should be prevented from defining itself in the minds of the voters. Rather the RNC should define the democratic party. In fact, the republican party spends far more money and man hours defining the democratic party than the democratic party does.

From a recent memo by RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie:
As the Democrat Party gets smaller, it becomes more liberal, elitist and angry. And as it becomes more liberal, elitist and angry, it gets smaller.
http://www.idgop.org/news.asp?PID=354

Everything the republican party says and does leading up to the election will attempt to reinforce this message.

We seem to be approaching the culmination of a far reaching strategy developed and implemented over a long period of time. The first element of this strategy was to recruit and train, with nationally solicited funds, republican candidates for local elections with the idea that these candidates would later run for the state legislature and then Congress. This began more than 20 years ago and was the original purpose of GOPAC.

But GOPAC evolved from just a recruitment and training organization to a propaganda machine. The purpose of the propaganda was to make sure that the republican party defined the democratic party in the minds of as many voters as possible. That became a second element of the republican strategy. In the last 10 years or so democratic candidates and the democratic party have allowed that to occur.

Since Newt Gingrich took over GOPAC, the republican strategy has included trying to marginalize the democratic party by painting it as extremist in its liberalism. This is why a republican candidate for any office higher than dogcatcher is trained to use the famous GOPAC words when referring to a democratic opponent or the democratic party. It is also why the republican party spends millions of dollars every year and employs hundreds of people solely to make the democratic party appear too liberal for most independent voters.

Another element to the republican strategy was to focus on redistricting. The RNC spent tens of millions of dollars on state legislature elections in the late 1990's and especially the 2000 election. According to Jim Nicholson back in 1999, the then RNC Chairman, the reason this was done was so that republicans would control more of the redistricting done after the 2000 census. Although the obvious goal of redistricting was to create more republican districts, another element of this strategy came to light just after the recent Texas redistricting.

The Texas redistricting continued implementing the republican strategy of defining the democratic party as too liberal. In effect it combined the redistricting strategy with the definition strategy. The redistricting did not seek to eliminate liberal democrats in the Texas Congressional delegation. Rather it sought to eliminate the more conservative to moderate white democrats and guarantee the re-election of only the most liberal minority democrats. This is part of a strategy described by Tom DeLay to make the democratic party the party of blacks, feminists, homosexuals, and extremist liberal groups like ELF. It has been said that DeLay's goal is that there will not be a white democrat left in Texas. This redistricting strategy will be followed in other states whenever the republicans get the opportunity, even if that does not occur until after the 2010 census.

Karl Rove has talked many times of his goal of making the republican party the dominant party for the next several generations on the national, state and local levels.

The republican strategy to become the dominant party has been well thought out and developed, and well implemented on a national scale. It has been depressingly effective in my opinion. It irritates me that the democratic party apparently has no strategy to counter it.

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:17 PM
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10. In the instance of TX, Norquist said it out loud
He held up a picture of Rep Jackson-Lee and said 'this is the face to put on the Dem party', roughly.

Wasn't there a quote in the mainstream media yesterday- some "average Joe" saying that the dems only cared about minorities?

You make good points. I don't see an overall Dem strategy but a couple of candidates are taking it on.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:50 PM
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17. Norquist is a monster. many Busheviks are monsters
They are intent on destroying America in order to possess it.

They may succeed.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 06:01 PM
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23. All true.
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:51 PM
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18. I need somebody to research something on this!
1) Who is the US House Rep that covers the area of the World Trade Center?

2) Is that Rep a Democrat?

If they are, then Regula just refused to appropriate money to help with post-9/11 efforts in NYC.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 01:03 PM
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20. Rep Jerrold Nadler's district
I believe.

http://www.house.gov/nadler/district.htm

He's a strong Dem.

HawkeyeX
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 01:06 PM
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21. Regula = BIIIIIIIG trouble
I just got my HUGE hammer to bury him with this tactic.

thanks, HawkeyeX
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