Image of men signing abortion ban assailed

[onehandle]

Nov. 8, 2003  |  WASHINGTON (AP) -- Images of President Bush signing abortion legislation surrounded by male supporters _ with no women in sight -- were upsetting, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said Friday.

News photographs of the Wednesday ceremony in which Bush signed the law banning what abortion foes call "partial-birth abortion" showed male lawmakers standing behind the president and conservative male religious leaders looking on.

"Both pictures I found disconcerting, one because it's a group of men celebrating depriving women of a medical procedure that could save their health and their lives, and the other because of the celebratory nature of it really was, I thought, a ... slap in the face to women across America," Pelosi said.

http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/11/08/abortion/index.html

Rove screwed up this photo-op, big time.

[54anickel]

1. Well, a picture is worth a bazillion words

[alapolitical]

26. Will the loud, uppity, radical feminists please make some noise about this

[JoFerret]

69. Why leave it to "interest "groups?

Why are you not leading the charge? this affects you too.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

55. PIC...The American Taliban

[Dhalgren]

81. "The American Taliban"

That's a great caption! And true. This group of religious fundamentalists are exactly our version of the Taliban.

[young_at_heart]

2. It was just disgusting

The looks of jubilation on these men's faces and the way our prez made his pen "bounce" on the table after signing it made me ill!

[realFedUp]

3. Someone photoshopped this so white hangers were in each hands...

anyone have a link to that one?

[VolcanoJen]

7. This photo?

[realFedUp]

8. Yes! Thanks VJ

This one should be sent around and I'd credit the
artist if we knew who that was.

[roguevalley]

43. Bartcop might have it from yesterday. Check entertainment section.

Did you ever see such *WHITE* men. They were signing the
anti-Emancipation Proclamation. Welcome to the eighteenth
century, women AND men both.

RV, who can remember when *divorce* was illegal in America

[Buck Turgidson]

56. I found the image on Eschaton.

attributed it to someone named Julius Civitatus.

[janx]

34. My email is hosed for now and I can't do it, but would someone

be kind enough to email this photo to the Dean campaign? John Pettitt would be the obvious contact.

There was a larger photo, one which included DeLay. That one would be great to Photoshop too.

[arikara]

36. That picture is brilliant

But what a dispicable filthy minded bunch of hateful, evil morans.

[Jacobin]

38. Just noticed the coat hangers...heh heh heh

Nice touch.

[nolabels]

84. My wife says these old men in goverment should retire.

but also believes most of stuff she watches on TV is the real news. I have tried to change her perspective but it's pretty difficult (she is stubborn). So I just use her for a litmus test to judge the effect the propaganda mix has on the unsuspecting audience.



http://www.hangers.com/products/018799017.shtml

[baby_bear]

4. NARAL is making some hay out of this.

from the same article:

NARAL Pro-Choice America put the photo of Bush with male lawmakers on the home page of its Web site. The group's communications director, David Seldin, e-mailed the Internet link to reporters Friday under the subject line, "A Picture for the Ages."

see www.naral.org

What a disgusting sight, those gleeful old men.

s_m

[Judi Lynn]

9. Maybe they won't have the last smirk!

Just remember, next time any of us women go in for a psysical with our doctors, the fleshy, feverish faces with beady eyes of these paragons of virture will be there in spirit, right along with our doctors!

[lumpy]

12. No doubt Dubya just made a 'cute ' little joke.

Sons a bitches !

[survival01]

33. Dubya always gets that look

...on his face when he signs a bill. Like he just made his first poopy in the toilet. The egotism is palpable.

[pfitz59]

21. Every OB/GYN in the nation.........

Should post this photo between the stirrups with the caption! "These men own your body!"

[_NorCal_D_]

40. Smirking

as usual. :puke:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. Abortion

to many people isn't about religious dogma. It's a matter of power of men over women, plain and simple. Wonder if any of those men would allow their wives or daughters become invalids or die so that a fetus that will never be able to live past a few days will be allowed to come to term.

[BlackVelvetElvis]

13. very articulate

A woman's decision over her body and her life should be hers alone.
I'm sure there are a few skeletons in the closet with that bunch.

[LiberalFighter]

62. Religion has no place in civil law!!!

The abortion bill is an issue that is driven by religious zealots to satisfy their belief.

If the founding fathers were intent on Christianity being the basis for our Constitution they would had included the 10 commandments in it.

[jobycom]

29. Bob Barr didn't

The man stood on the House floor and weekly at least called abortion murder, yet when his wife became pregnant he drove her to the clinic and wrote the check, so he could divorce her for his mistress. Typical Republican. By his terms, he's a murderer, but it doesn't slow him down at all.

[saigon68]

87. NOT A CHANCE--THOSE ASSHOLES ARE ABOVE THE LAW

I get sick and tired of seeing special handling of their children, spouses, significant others.

Only the Poor suffer under the rule of EVIL men such as these.

[Judi Lynn]

6. You'd almost have to laugh if it weren't so serious

What pompous, meddling fools they are, butting in where they most assuredly don't belong.

From the article:

NARAL Pro-Choice America put the photo of Bush with male lawmakers on the home page of its Web site. The group's communications director, David Seldin, e-mailed the Internet link to reporters Friday under the subject line, "A Picture for the Ages."

"If we had the money we'd put it on TV every day from now till the election," Seldin said in the e-mail. (snip/)

Too bad Newt Gingrich, Henry Hyde, ex-Rep. Livingston, and other Republican luminaries who don't mix well, or honorably, with women couldn't be there to celebrate with these clowns.

[awnavy]

11. .

Thank you, President Bush.

[Ellen Forradalom]

25. Welcome to DU awnavy!

:hi:

[Skittles]

44. that thieving bastard is NOT OUR PRESIDENT

He might be YOURS but he is not OURS.

[LittleApple81]

46. Ditto. n/t

[eablair3]

17. ah, the pic you have is cutoff, .. Henry Hyde was standing right there

A New York federal judge issued a ruling on November 6, 2003 blocking the government from enforcing the partial birth abortion ban act, that was signed by President Bush (news - web sites), against certain doctors. Bush is shown at the signing with (L-R) Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI), Rep. Henry Hyde (R-IL), Rep. Steve Chabot (R-OH), House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL), Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA), Rep. James Oberstar (D-MN), Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH) and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX). Photo by Kevin Lamarque/Reuters


from Yahoo.com slideshow

for thie time being you can click on "abortion" at this page to find it and more:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s&u=/static/slideshow_archive2&ga=pl&max=100

[Judi Lynn]

19. Omigod!

Glad he could make it!

Why didn't you warn us before showing that photo? I'm not sure we were prepared enough to withstand so much Republican loveliness at once.

I will never forget the adorable Henry Hyde referring to his heart-wrenching adulterous affair with a married woman (so painful to her family her husband actually called Hyde on the phone and begged him to call it off because of the grief he was causing them, which he blew off and continued the affair) as a "youthful indescretion" since he was only a lad in his 40's.

[BlackVelvetElvis]

22. Of course he admits the affair when cornered.

[janx]

76. Yep. And Delay's in this one too. I wish someone would

photoshop some hangers into this pic!

[ozymandius]

45. Watch them grin as they take away our rights. n/t

[liberalmuse]

10. Good!

It should be disturbing image to women everywhere. I can almost picture a dead woman, blood on the floor, coat hanger at her side in Bush's place in that photo.

[mefoolonhill]

14. men signing....

If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a blessed sacrament.

[ldf]

54. available on every street corner, too.

as it is, it would be so great if each and every one of those men, due to their political views, NEVER had the opportunity of sex with a woman again in their life.

of course, if they were in jail, where they belong, they could have ample opportunity to be someone's sex "property". that would be so fair, wouldn't it?

[UpInArms]

15. the American Talibornagain

will have women wearing burqas in no time

:mad:

[LittleApple81]

18. That was exactly what Lautenberg (D-NJ) said in the Senate

yesterday. But he called them Maletocracy.

[donsu]

16. another pic I saw showed them clapping after the signing

clapping! over their control of OUR bodies. we have marked them.....

[Darth_Kitten]

20. I saw the image on t.v.

when I was channel surfing and thought, how condescending. :eyes:

Bastards, those conservatives think SO little of women. :evilfrown:

[Voltaire99]

23. Penises United For Jellified Life!

If even one future Wal-Mart employee is saved by this ban, all the misery and death it can cause will have been worthwhile!

[Jack Rabbit]

24. Clinton's administration reflected the face of the American people

Bush's reflects the face of the GOP.

[CheshireCat]

27. disgusting!

That photo makes me sick! I have been working for woman's rights since 1969. Roe vs Wade was a decision that empowered woman more than anything else I have ever seen. The photo will come back to haunt these pompous white men of the GOP.

Thanks for the photoshopped version with the wire hangers. Unforunately, I remember nearly losing a couple of good friends to these hangers in the days when abortion was banned.

[candy331]

31. I believe that picture said

more than a 1000 words. When I saw it I thought how disgusting it was for the president of the US in this age to be surrounded by an audience of gloating white males. That Dr Frist should know better, perhaps his medical background should be checked. Are we sure he hadn't performed a few abortions in the past?

Sure set a fine image for nations that the US harps on castigating their treatment of women. Conservative women ever heard of "Men Who Hate Women and the Women Who Love Them"

The message that picture sent was white males club only, everyone else get the crumbs that drop from our table.

[jobycom]

28. No, sadly, Rove got EXACTLY what he wanted

Rove was giving his loyal core exactly what they wanted. "Here's an abortion ban, and I'm going sign it in front of all of you religious leaders so you can see whose side I'm on. Promise kept. When it comes to it, I don't let women make the decisions."

Maybe it will backfire, but I doubt it. We won't remember it much in a year-- Bush will give us plenty more to despise him for by then. But his worshippers won't forget. That's what Rove is counting on. He just flipped us off, in other words, showed us who the real leaders are, and defies us to whine to the teacher about it. Bully Bush, at his best.

[snippy]

39. True.

My question is what does the republican party plan to do when the Supreme Court invalidates this law for being unconstitutional?

[jobycom]

49. It's what most of them want

Most Republicans want abortion rights preserved, too. Most don't agree with the extremists in their party, but unless the Republican candidate gives that extreme some of what they want, the extremists will cost them the election.

Most are hoping the SCOTUS overturns this law. If not, the Dems will have another rallying cry, and this one will resonate with enough voters to cause them problems. The Repubs are dancing. They are trying to please their extremists and hoping they don't drive their middle right over to our side. Sound familiar?

[snippy]

52. I think you probably are right.

I do wonder though whether the republican leadership has ulterior motives concerning this bill since it fought so hard to include provisions that the Supreme Court already has declared unconstitutional. Unless the Supreme Court reverses recent decisions it will strike down this law. All of the Reich wingers in Congress know this.

[Fovea]

51. I suspect that in a year

the first wave of women will be dying or being crippled in childbirth from this stupid inhumane law.

At that point, all hell will break loose in the women's movement.

[CheshireCat]

75. I'll NEVER forget

that disgusting image. I am sure there are many other women (and men) who were hit as hard as I was by those gloating old white male GOPer's, smiling while taking away the right of women to control there bodies and lives. Like many other famous political images, this one will remain with us.

[dbt]

30. Thank you, eablair3, for the big pic

I thought that was Mr. "Youthful Indiscretion" Hyde in this jolly photograph. And it is the same acidic little grimace that he showed us back when a blowjob was a Grave Constitutional Crisis.

This is a picture for the Ages: white men who can't muster twelve inches of penis among them gleefully marking their territories inside the Uterus of America.

I'll bet their Surrendered Wives had special meals prepared for them when they got home that night!

:puke:
dbt

What was that Germaine Greer said back in the 70s about men not being allowed to have sex until they had first been fucked up the ass?

[eablair3]

61. welcome

I actually first saw it posted in GD in a thread by Skinner a day or so before and then tracked down the text from yahoo. Sounded like this photo and the others were making the rounds around the internet.

[Frangible]

32. It looks as bad as it is

Funny isn't it, how the pro-lifers are so quick to condemn women to death if their health is threatened?

[snippy]

35. White House claims there were women in the room but won't name them.

From the Washington Wire column in Friday's Wall Street Journal:

MINOR MEMOS: Women's issue? Only men in Congress flank Bush for his staged signing of late-term abortion ban; an aide says female lawmakers were in room, but won't name any.

http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,washington_wire,00.html

I find it hard to believe that so many people think that it is better for medical decisions to be made by the elected clerics of either party rather than doctors and patients. Here is part of the statement from The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists concerning this bill when it passed the House:

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) continues to oppose so-called "partial birth abortion" laws, including the conference committee bill approved by the US House of Representatives yesterday and sent to the US Senate. "Partial birth abortion" is a non-medical term apparently referring to a particular abortion procedure known as intact dilatation and extraction (intact D&X, or D&X), a rare variant of a more common midterm abortion procedure know as dilatation and evacuation (D&E).

. . .

As noted in a 1997 ACOG Statement of Policy, reaffirmed in 2000, and in ACOG's amicus curiae brief filed in the Stenberg case, ACOG continues to object to legislators taking any action that would supersede the medical judgment of a trained physician, in consultation with a patient, as to what is the safest and most appropriate medical procedure for that particular patient.

ACOG's Statement of Policy explains why ACOG believes such legislation to be "inappropriate, ill advised, and dangerous." The policy statement notes that although a select panel convened by ACOG could identify no circumstances under which intact D&X would be the only option to protect the life or health of a woman, intact D&X "may be the best or most appropriate procedure in a particular circumstance to save the life or preserve the health of a woman, and only the doctor, in consultation with the patient, based upon the woman's particular circumstances, can make this decision (emphasis added)."

. . .

The medical misinformation currently circulating in political discussions of abortion procedures only reinforces ACOG's position: in the individual circumstances of each particular medical case, the patient and physician -- not legislators -- are the appropriate parties to determine the best method of treatment.

# # #

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) is the national medical organization representing 45,000 members who provide health care for women.

http://www.acog.org/from_home/publications/press_releases/nr10-03-03.cfm

It seems overwhelmingly obvious to me that the Supreme Court is going to strike this law down since it expressly violates the provisions of similar state laws found unconstitutional by the Court. Given that, I wonder whether the republican party has ulterior motives in passing this in its present form or whether it is just pandering to the base.

[LiberalFighter]

63. Will Repugs pass laws that will take away our rights...

as to the type of medical procedures that we must accept? Will they force us to remain on "life sustaining" machines even if we have a living will? Will they dictate that everyone must be organ donors and who must be the recipients? Will they decide that someone elses life is more important than another and remove the organ(s) from that "worthless" person? Isn't that what they have decided in the abortion issue when a birth may endanger the woman's life?

Will they decide who receives drug rehabilitation and who goes to prison? Wait... they already do!! Limbaugh and Nicole Bush

[Sideways]

37. Shouldn't this read a picture "for the APES"

not ages?

[PylesMalfunction]

41. Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) - More info on him?

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) - I'm curious about this guy. I did a little research at Project Vote Smart and some of his issue postions seem pretty progressive. Granted, he doesn't support abortion unless the life of the woman is in danger but he doesn't support the death penalty eiher. I'm not looking to condemn or condone the guy; I just wondered if someone from his home state could maybe shed some insight on what kind of a Democrat he is.

I don't agree with the bill because there's no provision for the health of the woman included in it. :( Obviously, legislators know better than doctors. :eyes:

This picture is totally sickening.

[goobergunch]

57. Liberal Catholic, like Oberstar

There's several Dem Representatives that are progressive on everything except abortion.

[Kinkistyle]

59. He's a dumbass

He's on a crusade to ban Accutane, the acne drug, because his kid supposedly killed himself while on the drug. The suicide rate amongst Accutane users is actually lower then amongst non-users,

http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/00000002D41C.htm

but I guess he's gotta blame somethign for his kid being unhappy (not himself or his wife).

[dax]

65. that last remark is unecessarily cruel...

This guy may be an ignorant misogynistic control freak about abortion but mental illness and suicide is always a tragedy-it is horribly wrong to imply that parents should blame themselves for the sad and sometimes irrevocable choices their children make. (from a still guardedly hopeful mother of a drug addict about to be released from prison in a month- everybody on DU say a prayer for us!)

[Malva Zebrina]

42. OK women

what are you going to do now? We have tried and tried and we have make some gains and now it seems that Bush and Laura the submissive, are pushing us back again to the middle ages--and now we, who hollared and who protested and who shed our bras are getting old--we leave it up to the younger women and I submit and encourage you all--get the fire under your asses.

This is outrageous--women stand up-=women unite--women do something--anything--we are being swamped===AGAIN--

[LittleApple81]

47. Ann Telnaes take of the guys...

[MODemocrat]

48. Men should have no say in what women do with their own bodies

If this is sauce for the goose, then those men should be required by law to have a vasectomy or be chemically castrated. That's one of the biggest reasons I cannot tolerate republicans. They stick their noses in other peoples' personal lives instead of taking care of the real problems in this country. :freak: :grr: :thumbsdown:

[jobycom]

50. Then why do you always ask us how you look?!?!?!

I mean, if we have no say, who cares if the clothes make you look fat?!

I'm sorry, this little imp crawled up in me and made me ask that. Sorry. I'll go away now. Just trying to lighten the mood. Failing, no doubt. Sorry.

[JoFerret]

70. Get over it and yourself

.

[myrna minx]

82. Do I look fat? You have NO idea how your post pisses me off.

Well, if I do look fat, then perhaps I have no ability to make decisions for myself and should allow men to decide what medical procedures are proper for my OWN body. Yeah Roe V. Wade is a issue that should be "lightened." hardy har.

[Snellius]

53. They use abortion to demonize their opponents as baby killers

This is the way Bush put it when he signed the PBA Ban Bill:

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. Good afternoon. I'm pleased that all of you have joined us as the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 becomes the law of the land. (Applause.) For years, a terrible form of violence has been directed against children who are inches from birth, while the law looked the other way. Today, at last, the American people and our government have confronted the violence and come to the defense of the innocent child. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/11/20031105-1.html

You can bet that if one of the Bush twins was told by her doctors she might die giving birth to a malformed monstrosity who would live no more than a couple of days, the BFEE would have her in some Swedish clinic before you could say "partial birth abortion".

[IndianaGreen]

58. Don't give a pass to the Democrats that voted for this bill

Our own Evan Bayh (D-IND), who is also the current DLC Chair, continued his anti-choice record by voting for this ban. As Governor, Bayh signed a bill that forced women seeking abortions to see pictures of aborted fetuses.

Evan Bayh deserves as much venom and condemnation as the men in that photograph. The "D" after his name does not grant him immunity!

[eablair3]

60. any link to the record of the vote on this?

I haven't seen it, but would like to.

Which Dems voted for it?

Were there any women who voted for it? I'd be a little interested to see how the Republican women voted on it, esp seeing as how they couldn't find one woman to stand up with them when Bush signed this.

[NewJerseyDem]

74. Here are 2 links

http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.exe?year=2003&rollnumber=530

Women voting for it:

Biggert (IL)
Blackburn (TN)
Bono (CA)
Brown-Waite (FL)
Capito (WV)
Cubin (WY)
Davis (VA)
Dunn (WA)
Emerson (MO)
Granger (TX)
Harris (FL)
Kaptur (OH)- Democrat
Kelly (NY) - used to oppose it
Miller (MI)
Musgrave (CO)
Myrick (NC)
Northup (KY)
Pryce (OH)
Ros-Lehtinen (FL)
Wilson (NM)

Republicans voting no:

Greenwood (PA)-man
Johnson (CT)-woman
Kolbe (AZ)-man
Simmons (CT)-man
Kirk (IL)-man didn't vote but has opposed in past

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00402

Women voting for it:

Dole (NC)
Hutchison (TX)-didn't vote but has supported in past
Landrieu (LA)-Democrat
Lincoln (AR)-Democrat
Murkowski (AK)

Republicans voting no:

Chafee (RI)-man
Collins (ME)-woman
Snowe (ME)-woman

[LiberalFighter]

64. I agree IndianaGreen

There are many of us that are Democrats in Northeast Indiana that are disappointed with him. He doesn't respond to his constituents like Senator Lugar does. And any politician knows that is the key to winning re-elections. And when he does respond is weeks and weeks before anything is received.

Lugar's office ask for the name and address of all callers.
Bayh's office doesn't even bother.

There has been times that he has voted on the right side but there are too many times that he votes wrong. And when he does it is like he is kissing that scumbag's ass.

Personally, I believe that Bayh is gullible.

"France is good for nothing. Germany is good for nothing. Russia is good for nothing," Bayh said. "Having played no role in liberating the Iraqi people, in good conscience the least they can do is to relieve the debts they extended to Saddam Hussein to prop up his dictatorship." Fort Wayne Journal Gazette -Bayh calls for nations to forgive Iraq loans-

Allen County is important for any statewide race to win. We won't neccessarily win the county for the candidate but if the difference can be kept down then they have a chance.

[IndianaGreen]

78. Bayh is up for reelection in 2004

If a real progressive were to run hard in South Bend and in Gary in the North, in Bloomington in the South, and in Indianapolis, he/she could close that margin enough to deny Bayh an easy victory, making him work for votes for a change.

[TrueStory]

66. Ceausescu was trying to elevate the Romanian nation through abortion-ban

...and the "Revolution" came...

[GoddessOfGuinness]

85. That's a chilling comparison...

Especially when I recall the photos of half-starved "orphans" chained to beds in overcrowded facilities.

If they think child abandonment is a problem now, wait til this administration gets finished hacking our reproductive rights.

[Crowdance]

67. Remember the Dems who voted for this atrocity

this year and in years past. Gephardt and Kucinich voted for the previous one, which Clinton vetoed. Kucinich finally had the guts to vote against it this time, but Gephardt was nowhere to be found when this year's voting came to pass. Their anti-choice work in the past contributed greatly to the "change of heart" that made this move possible for the right.

Do you know of any other Dem candidates who were or are on the other side for this one? I aver they'll never get my vote.

[MaineDem]

71. My Congressman (Michaud-D) voted FOR it

I have a really hard time forgiving him for this. I've been very disappointed in a number of his votes. On the other hand, my two Repug Senators voted against it.

What annoys me is that Mike Michaud personally told me he'd never vote to make abortions illegal. Ok, he's chipping away at it a little at a time. I feel betrayed.

The link with the House votes is here: http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.exe?year=2003&rollnumber=242

Senate vote here: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00402

[JoFerret]

68. Mission Accomplished

- what a lovely pair!

[twilight]

72. bunch of SOBs!!!!!

A friend of mine recently discovered that she has a large mass in her uterus and she did not know about it nor what it was; it COULD have been a fetus but it turns out it isn't *whew*!!!

She was initially told that it is the size of a 6 month old fetus at present and now needs to have surgery ASAP to have it removed. She was queried as to whether or not she might be pregnant in fact!

What if it was a fetus - would the doctor performimg the surgery be a criminal now as well as this woman? This woman is almost 50 years old and she doesn't want any children and it in very poor health! What if? What if? :wtf:

Did one single person, even YOU Dianne Feinstein you b*tch, consider this possibility for one bleeding second?

:dem: :kick:

[David Zephyr]

73. When Will My Sex (Men) Get a Clue As to What Jerks We Continue to Be?

This photograph just about says it all, doesn't it?

It's not good enough for any of us men to point out that the men in this photo-op were all white or all Republican or heterosexual. As men, we are not off the hook that easy. We are failing our sisters.

This is just another caveman step back to the past and it is vulgar, it is vile, it is wrong!

To all the women here at the DU, I am truly so sorry that my sex still doesn't even have a clue. I will always be there with you in fighting this crap, and if I'm not please kick me in the ass to make sure that I am!

[bleedingheart]

79. There are loads of wonderful DU men and other men out there

who stand beside women in their right to have control over their bodies.

So you don't have to say your sorry. I just want to make Santorum sorry in 2006 when his sorry *ss is up for re-election!

[UTUSN]

77. Well, Alrighty Then, THIS Is Kickable n/t

[twilight]

80. a picture paints a thousand words

You don't even need to read the story - just look at the disgusting picture of these fat pig :puke: men having their impotent orgasims over this. :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:



LETS OUST THIS BATCH OF CRIMINALS!

DENNIS J. KUCINICH FOR PRESIDENT IN 2004!!!!

:dem: :kick:

[undergroundpanther]

83. Hmm

I think a counter-education campaign is very important,I think abortion rights are overturned because most people don't know what the DX or DE procedures are .Tons of pro-choice obgyns need to EDUCATE people on what a DX procedure is,why it's done.The RW has used emotional hype and religion and call that education..
The only reason"partial birth" was hyped as it was because it was presented until it was internalized in the mind of the ignorant as a form of birth control.Pro life nuts couch abortion as birth control gone wild.Which points at the game of male domination and the underlying agenda of old white males continuing the male/family name.
Birth control is a way to limit a mans reach into furture minds.
Since males can't have kids,they have learned think it's ok to dominate women as if the child they co-create was his ticket to forever.Women become disposible child makers for men's ego expansion.This is an additude twords women that kings and sheep herders have. One bull can fetilize a whole field of cows so women must be disposable.It's primitive and simplistic,often unconsious and it still infects certain control-freakish male thinking.

Desire for Immortality and reproducing of self is a thing little kings and dictators seek..These narcissistic males make monuments to thier'greatness',they seek to"posess" many women,and pressure them to have a lot of sons, to carry on the 'line'ect. Look at cghina wherte male children are so prized and where we have male dictatorships today..One way for a male to be immortalized is to force his politics,beliefs,additudes, perceptions of the world and way of life into the mind of a new vunerable child before it can develop it's own free will and find it's own differences.Raised to be a father's ticket to immortality hurts a child,it becomes it's parents and spends a big chunk of it's own lifetime trying to figure out who they really are and shake off the hurtful parental programming in thier heads put there to ensure conformity to parental ideals or domination..Immortality and hegemony is what these kind of men crave more than anything,they need to make a legacy because they are so insecure,already dead inside and thier lives are desolate distractions.

Ever notice the way language reinforces male domination over domestic issues(A mans home is his castle)?
So when a woman says NO to perpetuating the male ego desire for legacy and power,she really gets at them where they want to live.The future,the utopia,they young,the shining legacy that hides so much of what is with what never was...Only white men are supposed to have free will in thier warped little minds.The richer you are the more'rights' to 'legacy'you have.

Just my 2 cents on it.

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