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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 09:10 AM
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Cheney’s Long Path to War (Newsweek Cover story)
http://www.msnbc.com/news/991209.asp?cp1=1

Nov. 17 issue — Every Thursday, President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have lunch together in a small dining room off the Oval Office. They eat alone; no aides are present. They have no fixed agenda, but it’s a safe assumption that they often talk about intelligence—about what the United States knows, or doesn’t know, about the terrorist threat. The president respects Cheney’s judgment, say White House aides, and values the veep’s long experience in the intelligence community (as President Gerald Ford’s chief of staff, as a member of the House Intelligence Committee in the 1980s and as secretary of Defense in the George H.W. Bush administration). As vice president, Cheney is free to roam about the various agencies, quizzing analysts and top spooks about terrorists and their global connections. “This is a very important area. It’s the one the president asked me to work on... I ask a lot of hard questions,” Cheney told NBC’s Tim Russert last September. “That’s my job.”

OF ALL THE president’s advisers, Cheney has consistently taken the most dire view of the terrorist threat. On Iraq, Bush was the decision maker. But more than any adviser, Cheney was the one to make the case to the president that war against Iraq was an urgent necessity. Beginning in the late summer of 2002, he persistently warned that Saddam was stocking up on chemical and biological weapons, and last March, on the eve of the invasion, he declared that “we believe that he has in fact reconstituted nuclear weapons.” (Cheney later said that he meant “program,” not “weapons.” He also said, a bit optimistically, “I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators.”) After seven months, investigators are still looking for that arsenal of WMD.

Cheney has repeatedly suggested that Baghdad has ties to Al Qaeda. He has pointedly refused to rule out suggestions that Iraq was somehow to blame for the 9/11 attacks and may even have played a role in the terrorist bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993. The CIA and FBI, as well as a congressional investigation into the 9/11 attacks, have dismissed this conspiracy theory. Still, as recently as Sept. 14, Cheney continued to leave the door open to Iraqi complicity. He brought up a report—widely discredited by U.S. intelligence officials— that 9/11 hijacker Muhammad Atta had met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in April 2001. And he described Iraq as “the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault for many years, but most especially on 9/11.” A few days later, a somewhat sheepish President Bush publicly corrected the vice president. There was no evidence, Bush admitted, to suggest that the Iraqis were behind 9/11.

...more...

(fallguy chosen?)
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 09:17 AM
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1. What a bunch of crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheney is being trounced out as "the guy that did it" He'll resign, or will not run with whistle ass in 04
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 09:23 AM
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3. My theory is they kick off Cheney to get momentum
...toward the center. The elderly, heart-impaired Cheney will retire to spend more time with his fambly, and Shrump will never say anything but nice things, but the reichpundits will be clued in to convey the message: Dick was responsible for all the bad, ultra-right stuff. Our Wonderful Leader is a swell guy, and if we just re*-elect him, he'll promise to be nice and put nice reasonable people in charge, 'n' stuff, and everything'll be, like, nice.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 09:26 AM
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4. ya think they'll
put Kinda-Sleazy Rice into the VP spot to act like they're supporting the women and minority voters?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 09:40 AM
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5. I wonder if he really has a bad heart? I have often wondered this over
the years. Was this just a set-up to allow him to operate secretly? I think people accept his hiding because of his heart.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 09:19 AM
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2. "Cheney’s Long Path to Prison". Now I know why Bush made the ICC
Edited on Sun Nov-09-03 09:24 AM by dArKeR
not allow charges be filed against American GOP politcians and military leaders.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 09:44 AM
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6. Three things struck me about this article.
First, it implies that Cheney made the case to Bush for war in the late summer of 2002. But Bush made his " F___ Saddam. we're taking him out" statement in March, 2002.

Second, in the discussion of Cheney's long held wet dream of invading Iraq, the article does not mention Cheney's involvement in PNAC or the January 26, 1998 PNAC letter to Clinton arguing for the invasion of Iraq.

Third, the article glosses over the disappointment of Cheney's staff that the American public may be less likely to support the next pre-emptive war.

Lynne Cheney could have written this Bushshit.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 09:47 AM
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7. the points that you brought up
were in my mind also -

I distrust Newsweek ever since they got rid of Robert Parry over his investigation of Iran-Contra -

and Lynn Cheney and Richard Armitage probably ghost-wrote this article.
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Military Brat Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 10:46 AM
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8. Move over Cheney, make room for Bill Frist
The Tennessee Toady has a good shot of grabbing that VP slot. What better venue to smack Gore up the side of the head than to take his home state again. And what the hell do Republicannibals care whether someone lies to animal shelters so they can adopt and then kill domestic cats for med school assignments? After all, this administration is hot to hunt big cats and other endangered species, all in the name of conservation???

Or maybe they'll choose Dennis Hastert, Speaker of the House. He's smooth, and apparently he has a good reputation among both parties. He's also just plain darn likeable, unlike cheney, who always reminds me of Mr. Potter in "It's A Wonderful Life." But if bush chooses Hastert, he may not have his evil mentor at his side anymore. My, my, decisions, decisions. What's a chimp to do ...

"Kinda sleazy Rice"? That's great, LOL!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:03 PM
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15. Naw, Bill Frist ain't gonna go any where,
Bill isn't too popular with the senators. And besides he's way too insipid.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:15 AM
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9. Cheney off the ticket is still Cheney running things
but with more secrecy and less accountability (if that is possible)

The message we have to get out is that everyone of the so called grown ups in charge now are corupt beyond all estimation and they all have to go. One scapegoat or sacrificial pig is not enough.

The People's House needs a complete cleaning. The sacred halls of Congress too. The Executive Office Building might be beyond help.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:29 AM
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10. I get this Letterman Top 10 image in my mind....
Cheney sitting with Bush going over the top 10 reasons to invade Iraq, and the number one reason........
Saddam tried to kill your daddy.

Think you may be right on the fall guy chosen remark.
I also think that my image of Bush being a complete idiot unable to think for himself may be mistaken (can anyone be that dense?).
Reminded me of an old SNL skit of Raygun, where he plays the dust bunny until the press clears the room. Then he takes on this tough-guy Patton-like persona pull out the maps and assorted planning items for Iran-Contra...
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:37 AM
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11. I am reminded of the
message that Bill Clinton sent soon after monkeyboy took office - paraphrasing - "he's not stupid in any way" -

I believe that everything he says and does is calculated to the nth degree - there are no accidents and no mis-speaks -

remember the time * said "you can fool some of the people some of the time, and those are the ones you have to concentrate on"?
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:46 AM
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12. I've seen that "you can fool...."
statement bantered around on DU, but didn't realize he actually used that exact phrase....I thought folks were using an embellished version for sarcasm.
Unfriggen believable!
That's why I'm here....always learning
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:51 AM
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13. here's a link
although it is put out there are a joke - wasn't his "dictator" comments also "floated" as such?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1241240.stm
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:59 AM
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14. Thanks!
And agree with your 1st reply. Seems he is not stupid after all. Think the old saying is "Dumb like a fox".
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 01:46 PM
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16. Not stupid
But very mean.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 01:53 PM
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17. Be sure to rate story at bottom of page 3
:hi:
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