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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 09:41 AM
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Rumsfeld retreats, disclaims earlier rhetoric
Rumsfeld denies he ever made several pre-war statements.

WASHINGTON - In the lead-up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said U.S. forces would be welcomed by the Iraqi citizenry and that Saddam Hussein had large stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons.

Now, after both statements have been shown to be either incorrect or vastly exaggerated, Rumsfeld - with the same trademark confidence that he exuded before the war - is denying that he ever made such assertions.

In recent testy exchanges with reporters, Rumsfeld interrupted the questioners and attacked the premise of the questions if they dealt with his pre-war comments about weapons of mass destruction and Americans-as-liberators.
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But on Sept. 25, - a particularly bloody day in which one U.S. soldier was killed in an ambush, eight Iraqi civilians died in a mortar strike and a member of the U.S-appointed governing council died after an assassination attempt five days earlier - Rumsfeld was asked about the surging resistance.

"Before the war in Iraq, you stated the case very eloquently and you said . . . they would welcome us with open arms," Sinclair Broadcasting anchor Morris Jones said to Rumsfeld as the prelude to a question.

The defense chief quickly cut him off.
"Never said that," he said. "Never did. You may remember it well, but you're thinking of somebody else. You can't find, anywhere, me saying anything like either of those two things you just said I said."

http://www.starbanner.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031109/NEWS/211090375/1003
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 09:46 AM
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1. I am neither shocked nor awed that Weasel Ass Rummy is a liar.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 09:48 AM
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2. Easy to check? Yes.
Will Rummy have to eat his words if he's busted?

Sure will.

Will he look like a jackass?

You bet.

Is this administration pushing its luck with the American people?

That would be a "yes". Big "yes".

Given these statements are lies, what kind of reaction can Rumsfeld expect?

The shit to hit the fan.

I've already explained that to you. Shut up.

--bkl
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 09:53 AM
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3. Love your RummySpeak. But this is the * misAdministration technique:
implication, innuendo--repeated ad nauseum to the point that people hear what * and his cronies want the populace to hear but without actually pronouncing the words (i.e., imminent, WMD, link with Al Qaeda, etc. etc.) Then they can deny they actually SAID it and blame the listeners for making assumptions and reaching conclusions.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 09:57 AM
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4. lol
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 10:05 AM
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7. somebody needs to buy tv ad time and show them waffeling...
.....show them saying one thing then saying the other....especially the comments of (*) during the state of the union address about Osama and then also about WMD....then run it over and over and over and over...might work :shrug:
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 10:34 AM
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10. One think overlooked
Bush will have 200+ Million to attack our Dem.

The problem is Bush has so much out there to attack him on that even a meager effort could cause voters to question him. The WMD lie is just a start. Our candidate can build a great "what I'll do in office" contrasted with Bush's record job loss, cronism, anti-environmentalism...
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 10:42 AM
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11. true but the masses are much more *intune* with sex..lies and videotape...
....sad but true...we are the minority that truly care about the issues...gotta dumb it down for the masses to the lies and videotape! :evilfrown:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 10:00 AM
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5. Someone else said it. Not me. Bet it was Clinton that said it n/t
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 10:01 AM
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6. does he admit there's a guerilla war yet?
I remember he threatened reporters who were calling it a guerilla war. He said they could call it that, but they'd better be ready to face the consequences for being inaccurate.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 10:08 AM
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8. Rummy thinks its still just a few dead enders causing a little trouble n/t
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 10:11 AM
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9. When they get pressured...they collapse....it's a pathetic comedy...
I want someone to quote his "words and date" and let him squirm at the podium...
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:25 AM
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18. get those quotes ready
Back in March 2003 he said the same thing:

Rumsfeld brushed aside suggestions that U.S. war planners underestimated the Iraqis' will to fight and overestimated the ability of U.S. precision airstrikes against the pillars of Saddam's power. And he heatedly denied raising expectations of a quick, relatively bloodless war with earlier boasts of military superiority.

"Not by me," Rumsfeld said.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/content/coxnet/iraq/story/0326_MAIN.html

*****

Actually he did. One month before

Feb. 8, 2003
Defeating Iraq would be quick work that wouldn't require full American mobilization, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Friday as he launched a European visit to secure broader support for a war. "It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months," he told a town meeting at the American air base at Aviano, Italy.
http://www.thestate.com/mld/bradenton/news/local/5134409.htm


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Still looking for quotes. I did find these other ones.

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/222/nation/CIA_warned_administration_of_postwar_guerrilla_peril+.shtml
Boston Globe 8/10/2003

"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators," Cheney said on NBC's Meet the Press on March 16. "I've talked with a lot of Iraqis in the last several months myself, had them to the White House."

"I imagine they will be welcomed," Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz, a key architect of the White House's Iraq strategy, said in an interview April 3, two weeks into the war, with CBS's 60 Minutes II. "I think there's every reason to think that huge numbers of the Iraqi population are going to welcome these people ... provided we don't overstay our welcome, provided we mean what we say about handing things back over to the Iraqis," Wolfowitz said.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:28 PM
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31. Thank-you
This is what we need. The careful research to expose the lies over and over again. And to have the persistence to keep exposing them. It's hard work (so much easier to posture and exchange insults), but we all must try to do it. So - to all those careful DU researchers out there - big appreciation.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:24 AM
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17. Con-se-quences? The military should start delivering the transport tubes
to Rummy and Cheney's offices! Consequences indeed. Pile the consequences up in the halls when the offices get full and keep doin it til they get the message of what the consequences really are.
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:04 AM
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12. depends on what the meaning of "arms" is


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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:39 PM
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36. I will petition for a rimshot smiley one of these days. (nt)
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:09 AM
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13. Anybody have a link to Rummy's quote?
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:34 AM
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22. I think I have found something of a link (pre war)
Edited on Sun Nov-09-03 11:56 AM by jamesinca
-- His regime has large, unaccounted-for stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons -- including VX, sarin, cyclosarin and mustard gas; anthrax, botulism, and possibly smallpox -- and he has an active program to acquire and develop nuclear weapons.


http://usembassy-australia.state.gov/hyper/2003/0121/epf209.htm

Rummy lied and we know it. I think the pet phrase in this administration is "pragmatic implication" It was never said, only implied and that is not the same. Clinton said in his speech at the U of Arkansas earlier this year that is one of the first lessons that he learned. Implied is the same as saying it. He implied it and Powell acted on it, sending the troops in to the Somalian capital to get the war lord.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:10 AM
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14. Can anyone find this quote of Rumpsfeld saying this?
I'm looking but I haven't found it yet.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:22 AM
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15. This is stunning
What shocks, surprises and deights me is that FINALLY someone (Rummy) is being held responsible for what he actually said at an earlier time in a very bold, no-nonsense way.

I don't recall anything quite this bold in the past.

Eloriel
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:23 AM
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16. Some in the admnistration said this.
Here's a link. Not Rummy, but some of you with better search skills could probably find a Rumsfeld quote.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/10/1060454077509.html

"In February the CIA told the National Security Council, including Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Vice-President Dick Cheney and President George Bush: "A quick military victory in Iraq will likely be followed by armed resistance from remnants of the Baath Party and Fedayeen Saddam irregulars."

The Administration seemed unmoved. In the weeks leading up to the Iraq war, top Bush Administration officials made glowing predictions that Iraqis would welcome US troops with open arms. Behind the scenes they did little to prepare for a guerilla war.

"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators," Mr Cheney said on March 16.

"I imagine they will be welcomed," Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, a key architect of the White House's Iraq strategy, said in an interview on April 3, two weeks into the war.

"I think there's every reason to think that huge numbers of the Iraqi population are going to welcome these people . . . provided we don't overstay our welcome,"Mr Wolfowitz said."


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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:31 AM
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20. more rumsfeld et al.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,841825,00.html
"This weekend Donald Rumsfeld, the American Defence Secretary, said he did not anticipate a long war. 'In the event that it becomes necessary, the United States would do it in a manner that would be respectful of human life on all sides, but would be determined to do the job and to finish it fast.'"

March 18th editorial leading with predictions of short war
Richard Perle: "I don't believe we will have to defeat Saddam's army; I think Saddam's army will defeat Saddam."
Dick Cheney: "I don't think it would be that tough a fight..."
Kenneth Pollack:"the military aspects of an invasion ... are likely to be the easiest part of the deal."
http://newsobserver.com/editorials/story/2335078p-2188883c.html


Military optimistic that war will be short
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1112/p01s01-usmi.html
"Still, several analysts predict that a US-led war to oust Hussein would last no more than a few weeks."

JCS plans for a short conflict http://www.pilotonline.com/military/ml0306cas.html

Washington Post article
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/12.03E.irq.war.200B.htm

OMB estimates war cost at $50 - $60 billion
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/31/politics/31BUDG.html
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:30 AM
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19. I've been through DOD transcripts for Feb/March and it ain't there
but I think both Cheney and Wolfowitz said it.

Here's a chestnut though:

Al Jazeera: What do you think is logical to get rid of the weapons of mass destruction even if you would want to wage war on Iraq afterwards? Instead of getting exposed to their use, you attack now while you say those weapons exist in Iraq.

Rumsfeld: Well they do exist. The evidence was laid out for the world by Secretary Powell. It's a fact. The regime keeps denying that they exist and keeps denying and deceiving the international community.

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/t02262003_t0225sdaljaz.html

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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:31 AM
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21. Not pre-war, but...
4/11/2003

http://www.intellnet.org/news/2003/04/11/19568-1.html

"Rumsfeld said that as Iraqis' fear of Saddam subsides, "the true sentiments of a large majority, I believe, of the Iraqi people are surfacing. And I think it's increasingly clear that most welcome coalition forces and see them not as invaders or occupiers, but as liberators."

I'm just grabbing stuff. I'm sure it's out there.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:43 AM
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23. rose petals
This snip doesn't attribute the quotes.

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Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his neo-conservative hardliners in the Bush administration were the primary architects behind the war. They were right in describing the war as a "cake walk"-- lining up some of the world's most sophisticated weapons against a militarily weak, sanctions-hit country.

But they were dead wrong in assuming that in post-war Iraq American troops will be welcomed with "rose petals" in the streets of Baghdad. The "rose petals" have turned out to be car bombs, landmines and explosive incendiary devices.
***

http://www.sundaytimes.lk/030907/columns/inside.html

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GALLOWAY: I don't think they expected it at all. The plan did not have the necessary elements in it to deal with this. There was a thought -- an expectation, a hope, if you will -- that this thing was going to be quick and easy and bloodless, and we were going to be welcomed with rose petals on our tanks, and this has not come to pass.

WOODRUFF: Who had those expectations? Because we're now hearing at the White House and at the Pentagon and over at Central Command, they're saying, "No, we didn't have unrealistic expectations. We expected them to put up some fight."

GALLOWAY: Well, they may say that, and I would expect them to, but it doesn't necessarily make it so. I heard say this war plan is General Franks' war plan, not mine. Well, if it's not his, how come his fingerprints are all over it?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/28/cnna.irq.galloway/

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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:48 AM
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24. Ah yes - the old I never said what I said defense.
Bloody Pig.

No insult to pigs intended.

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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:01 PM
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26. What can you expect from a guy who said this...
"As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know."

—Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing

http://slate.msn.com/id/2081042/
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SaddenedDem Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:00 PM
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25. THE WASHINGTON TIMES 5-30-2003
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030530-124854-6306r.htm
White House stands by banned-weapons war rationale
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Mr. Wolfowitz's boss, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, has steadfastly cited weapons of mass destruction as a primary rationale for the war, both before and after. On Tuesday, he said ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's forces might have eradicated any evidence of such weapons.

"It is also possible that they decided that they would destroy them prior to a conflict," he said.

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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:10 PM
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27. this is close
From a Blog on Friday, March 28, 2003

"It was a fantasy," said (the chief CIA analyst on Iraq during the Gulf War). "They had a strategic vision that we would face no opposition, that everyone would surrender, that Iraqis would throw rose petals and rice, and people would welcome us as liberators. Clearly those judgments were not based on reality."

(LA Times: "Plan's Defect: No Defectors")

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i wonder if the rose petals were not a figure of speech that the press (or others unnamed used) used and it got tacked onto rumsfeld at the time.

at no point do i see any person quoted as saying this. the phrase is often not in quotes at all. if someone said it, i'm sure there would be many bloggers with the quote and reference.

until further notice, i'll give rumsfeld the benefit of the doubt (ugh) on that one -- in that he (in true clintonian fashion) says he never LITERALLY said those words -- but the other stuff should be easy to debunk.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:30 PM
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28. HUGE list of quotes
http://billmon.org.v.sabren.com/archives/000172.html
With links to orignals

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
Dick Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention
August 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
George W. Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.
George W. Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
George W. Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003

If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct.
Colin Powell
Interview with Radio France International
February 28, 2003

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
George W. Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
Ari Fleisher
Press Briefing
March 21, 2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
Gen. Tommy Franks
Press Conference
March 22, 2003

I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
Washington Post, p. A27
March 23, 2003

One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.
Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
Press Briefing
March 22, 2003

We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003

Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.
Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed
April 9, 2003

But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003

We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
George W. Bush
NBC Interview
April 24, 2003

There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
Press Briefing
April 25, 2003

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 3, 2003

I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.
Colin Powell
Remarks to Reporters
May 4, 2003

We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
Fox News Interview
May 4, 2003

I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.
George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 6, 2003

U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.
Condoleeza Rice
Reuters Interview
May 12, 2003

I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.
Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
May 13, 2003

Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.
Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
May 21, 2003

Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.
Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
May 26, 2003

They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.
Donald Rumsfeld
Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations
May 27, 2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003

It was a surprise to me then — it remains a surprise to me now — that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there.
Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
Press Interview
May 30, 2003

Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do, because I think there's a lot of information out there."
Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency
Press Conference
May 30, 2003

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ALSO there are many many many many more in the comments section of that post. to wit:

Mr. Rumsfeld said on CBS's "Face the Nation, "that American intelligence reports indicated that Iraqi forces "have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them, and that they are weaponized, and that, in one case at least, that the command and control arrangements have been established."
New York Times, March 24, 2003, p. B12.

Ari Fleischer responded to Iraq's claims that it possesses no weapons of mass destruction by declaring that "Iraq has lied before, and they're lying now."
New York Times, December 8, 2002, Section 4, p. 2.

"The president of the United States and the secretary of defense would not assert as plainly and bluntly as they have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction if it was not true, and if they did not have a solid basis for saying it,"
Ari Fleischer New York Times, December 6, 2002, p. A1.


“We have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and is all about.”
Ari Fleischer

"'Our experts who are in the field right now ... have said this is an ingenious, unique and Iraqi design, not the way anyone else would have manufactured biological agent,' one official said. 'It's probably not how you would want to design a biological weapon. It was designed to evade inspection, not to be efficient.'"
http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2838965

Intelligence leaves no doubt that Iraq continues to possess and conceal lethal weapons
George Bush, US President 18 March, 2003

We are asked to accept Saddam decided to destroy those weapons. I say that such a claim is palpably absurd
Tony Blair, Prime Minister 18 March, 2003

Saddam's removal is necessary to eradicate the threat from his weapons of mass destruction
Jack Straw, Foreign Secretary 2 April, 2003

Before people crow about the absence of weapons of mass destruction, I suggest they wait a bit
Tony Blair 28 April, 2003

It is possible Iraqi leaders decided they would destroy them prior to the conflict
Donald Rumsfeld, US Defense Secretary 28 May, 2003

May 29, 2003
Reuters: Rumsfeld Denies 'False Pretext' for Iraq War
"Well I can assure you that this war was not waged under any false pretext. We believed then and we believe now that the Iraqis have had chemical weapons (and) biological weapons and that they had a program to develop nuclear weapons but did not have nuclear weapons. That is what the United Kingdom's intelligence suggested as well. We still believe that."


May 29, 2003
In congressional testimony last week, Undersecretary of Defense Douglas J. Feith said he was "confident that we will eventually be able to piece together a fairly complete account of Iraq's WMD programs, but the process will take months, and perhaps years."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51355-2003May28.html

We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.
Condoleeza Rice, CNN's Late Edition, September 8, 2002

September 9, 2002 Washington Times
headline "U.S. reprisal to be 'annihilation'"

Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough agent to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets. Even the low end of 100 tons of agent would enable Saddam Hussein to cause mass casualties across more than 100 square miles of territory, an area nearly 5 times the size of Manhattan.
Colin Powell, presentation to the UN Security Council, February 2, 2003 BBC Transcript

Rumsfeld concedes banned Iraqi weapons may not exist
29 May 2003
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=410468

Press Conference - President George W. Bush & British Prime Minister Tony Blair - January 31, 2003
Q: One question for you both. Do you believe that there is a link between Saddam Hussein, a direct link, and the men who attacked on September the 11th?
THE PRESIDENT: I can't make that claim.
THE PRIME MINISTER: That answers your question.


Fleischer, December 5, 2002
The president of the United States and the secretary of defense would not assert as plainly and bluntly as they have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction if it was not true, and if they did not have a solid basis for saying it.


Vice President Dick Cheney on NBC's "Meet the Press," March 16, "We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."


Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, May 14, "I don't believe anyone that I know in the administration ever said that Iraq had nuclear weapons."

But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them.
G.W. Bush, May 30, 2003
Washington Post article

"Iraq has aggressively pursued weapons of mass destruction, even while inspectors were inside the country."
President Bush
Address to the Nation
September 8, 2002

"Saddam Hussein is not disarming. This is a fact. It cannot be denied."
President Bush
News conference
March 6, 2003

"The Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised...Today, no nation can possibly claim that Iraq has disarmed."
President Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

"I do not accept as fact the US and UK’s repeated assertions that Baghdad has used the time to rebuild its weapons of mass destruction."
UNSCOM chief weapons inspector Hans Blix
March 2002 (reported in London Financial Times)

"After three months of intrusive inspections, we have to date found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons programme in Iraq."
Mohammed ElBaradei
Director-General International Atomic Energy Agency
Statement to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003

"It behooves me to admit that I find present allegations about Iraq's nuclear capability, as continuously advanced by the Americans and the British, to be ridiculous."
Imad Khadduri, PhD
Seneca College, Toronto
Former Nuclear Scientist, Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission (1968-1998)
November 21, 2002

"Its capability was reduced during the UNSCOM inspections and is probably more limited now than it was at the time of the Gulf war."
Central Intelligence Agency Report, "Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs"
October 2002

"Senior officials in the Bush administration have admitted that they would be 'amazed' if weapons of mass destruction (WMD) were found in Iraq. "
Neil Mackay
Edinburgh Sunday Herald
May 3, 2003

"Iraq has made several attempts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes used to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon."
President Bush
Remarks to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002

"All the experts who have analyzed the tubes in our possession agree that they can be adapted for centrifuge use."
Secretary of State Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003

"Extensive field investigation and document analysis have failed to uncover any evidence that Iraq intended to use these 81mm tubes for any project other than the reverse engineering of rockets...even had Iraq pursued such a plan, it would have encountered practical difficulties in manufacturing centrifuges out of the aluminium tubes in question."
Mohammed ElBaradei
Director-General, International Atomic Energy Agency
March 7, 2003

"According to Albright government experts on nuclear technology who dissented from the Bush administration's view told him they were expected to remain silent."
Washington Post
September 19, 2002

"The Declaration ignores efforts to procure uranium from Niger. Why is the Iraqi regime hiding their uranium procurement?
US State Department "Fact Sheet"
December 19, 2002

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
President Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003

"The IAEA has concluded, with the concurrence of outside experts, that these documents - which formed the basis for the reports of recent uranium transactions between Iraq and Niger - are in fact not authentic."
Mohammed ElBaradei
Director General, International Atomic Energy Agency
March 7, 2003

"The regime...has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda."
President Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

"There are no current links between the Iraqi regime and the al-Qaeda network, according to an official British intelligence report."
BBC News
February 5, 2003

"Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network headed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, an associate and collaborator of Usama bin Laden and his al-Qaida lieutenants."
Secretary of State Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003

"Most experts...dispute his possible role as Qaeda-Iraq link."
New York Times
February 10, 2003

"There is a really serious problem in intelligence. It’s virtually impossible to prove these kinds of conspiracies. . . . It is going to require a great deal more debate and reporting than simply accepting the U.S. statements without further review."
Anthony Cordesman
Former Director-Intelligence Assessment
US Department of Defense
Transcript of February 6, 2003 radio interview with Australian Broadcasting Corporation

"American companies will have a big shot at Iraqi oil."
Ahmed Chalabi
Leader, Iraqi National Congress
(Reported by Washington Post Septembert 15, 2002)

"Iraq possesses huge reserves of oil and gas; reserves I'd love Chevron to have access to."
Kenneth T. Derr
Chevron CEO
1998 speech at the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco

"It's pretty straightforward. France and Russia have oil companies and interests in Iraq. They should be told that if they are of assistance...we'll do the best we can to ensure that the new government and American companies work closely with them."
R. James Woolsey
Former Director
Central Intelligence Agency

"When there is regime change in Iraq, you could add three million to five million barrels of production to world supply. The successful prosecution of the war would be good for the economy."
Larry Lindsey
White House Economic Advisor
September 2002

"All Iraqi military and civilian personnel should listen carefully to this warning. In any conflict, your fate will depend on your action. Do not destroy oil wells."
President Bush
Address on the Start of War
March 20, 2003

"The United States of America has the sovereign authority to use force in assuring its own national security."
President Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

"Not only will the United States impose preemptive, unilateral military force when and where it chooses, but the nation will also punish those who engage in terror and aggression and will work to impose a universal moral clarity between good and evil."
President Bush
West Point Commencement Address
June 2002

"Under Resolutions 678 and 687 -- both still in effect -- the United States and our allies are authorized to use force in ridding Iraq of weapons of mass destruction."
President Bush
Address on the Start of War
March 20, 2003

"...a formal cease-fire is effective between Iraq and Kuwait and the Member States cooperating with Kuwait in accordance with resolution 678."
UN Security Council Resolution 687
April 3, 1991

"All members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations."
United Nations Charter, Article 2, Section 4

"Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security."
United Nations Charter, Article 51

"The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all of its Members."
Ibid. Article 2, Section 1

"The United States has no right to invade another state because of speculative concerns about that state's possible future actions. The current international order does not support a special status for the United States or a singular right to exempt itself from the law."
Mary Ellen O'Connell, The Myth of Preemptive Self-Defense
The American Society of International Law Task Force on Terrorism
August 2002

"You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60140-2003May30.html?nav=hptop_ts
Washington Post
Saturday, May 31, 2003
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:11 PM
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30. Is RedSock's list of quotes outstanding? You bet!
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:30 PM
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32. Wow
That's fantastic. Print it out. Thanks.
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 01:15 PM
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29. Josh Marshall wrote about the shifting rhetoric
Of the entire Bush administration. He has been collecting quotes from readers of his blog, and says he received over 500 quotes. He reports on this at Talking Points memo:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_11_02.html#002175

And his articel from The Hill:
http://www.hillnews.com/marshall/110503.aspx
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:57 PM
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33. What reporters said they said
That's part of it. Reporters said they said alot of things they didn't actually say. For example, a reporter said Bush said Iraq was an imminent threat in his October Cincinatti speech. Guess what, Bush didn't use those words. We do need to get out the actual words these people said or pretty soon people will just think the Administration was misquoted and toss out anything new (but accurate) that comes up as more of misquotes.

In addition, there's the use of the words 'had', 'programs' and 'seeking' all mixed in with current intelligence that supposedly showed the existence of weapons. These people were clever, they really were.

Finally, though, the U.S. Code has a section where testimony to Congress that is fraudulent, omits and twists information, is illegal. They certainly did this, no matter how they try to wiggle out of it today. They have to be held accountable for it.

And guess what people. If you think the Democrats in Congress are going to go after Bush on this, only to have us voters use the war against Congress at the same time, you're sadly mistaken. That would be suicide. Pick your battles. Bush ought to be the one paying for the war. Kick the Congress people out in the next election if you must, but support them in exposing Bush now.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 10:23 PM
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34. Rumsfeld's "Message to the People of Iraq" transcript
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 10:49 PM
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35. When Rumsfeld was in Iraq, he had lunch with members of First Armor
this is the most insane thing I've read so far.
http://www.dod.mil/transcripts/2003/tr20030906-secdef0654.html
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 11:58 AM
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37. HERE WE GO
I got this from TPM who got it from Atrios:

http://www.starbanner.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031109/NEWS/211090375/1003

For example, on Feb. 20, a month before the invasion, Rumsfeld fielded a question about whether Americans would be greeted as liberators if they invaded Iraq.
"Do you expect the invasion, if it comes, to be welcomed by the majority of the civilian population of Iraq?" Jim Lehrer asked the defense secretary on PBS' "The News Hour."

"There is no question but that they would be welcomed," Rumsfeld replied, referring to American forces. "Go back to Afghanistan, the people were in the streets playing music, cheering, flying kites, and doing all the things that the Taliban and the al-Qaeda would not let them do."


http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_11_09.html#002188

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