New 'Allah' doc ready to raise a ruckus (Now this will cause an uproar)

[ECH1969]

Dubowski vows to screen pic in every Muslim nation

Sandi Dubowski, who won the Teddy gay and lesbian award in 2001 for his controversial doc "Trembling Before G-d," may cause an even bigger stir with "In the Name of Allah," which explores the struggles of homosexual Muslims.

Gay Indian Muslim helmer Parvez Sharma is directing the pic, which looks at gay, lesbian, and transgender Muslims across the Muslim and Western worlds.

Sharma and Dubowski plan to submit the pic to all major festivals in the Muslim world as well as in the West, but if it's rejected, Dubowski said, "We'll find ways of screening it in every Muslim nation, even if it's underground."

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117938165?categoryid=13&cs=1&nid=2562
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The people who made this better go into hiding right now.

[Warpy]

1. The more heavily a Muslim nation is oppressed by clergy, the

stronger the underground is and the more chance that film will be seen there.

The more liberalized Muslim countries are where that film will have a slim chance of being seen because they don't have the infrastructure for screening forbidden films.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. I'm sure my gay and lesbian Sufi brothers and sisters

who live in this country will be interested in seeing this film.

[ECH1969]

3. In the US?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

9. Yes.

There are Sufi orders here that welcome gays and lesbians. Why not?

[Behind the Aegis]

21. If it is done as well as "Trembling Before G-d,"...

...they will enjoy it! It will reaffirm their spirituality and their sexuality! They will see themselves as children of G-d, who created them as He intended.

[Malikshah]

4. Yup-- cause you can't trust them there muhammadans

:sarcasm: ....

Wow-- if this isn't flamey mcsparky-speak...

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[Harper_is_Bush]

5. "the people who made this better go into hiding right now"

Why? What makes you believe this will stir extremists?

His last pic "faced protests and bans in South Africa, Mexico and Baltimore."

Did you just assume from the title that the "rukus" would be akin to what we've seen with the Mohammed charicatures?

[ECH1969]

7. Gays are beheaded in the Saudi Arabia

In Iran they are often hung.

Even in so called moderate muslim nations anyone who buys a video like this would be jailed.

There are going to be alot of people who don't take to kindly to a pro-Gay film being sent to the Muslim world.

[Harper_is_Bush]

8. Then why wouldn't they be in hiding already

for the previous film they made?

The comment was meant to imply that the whole Muslim world is going to be offended and death sentences issued, not that authoritarian regimes would jail them.

[ECH1969]

12. I never said the whole muslim world would be offended

I said that there is going to be crazies who don't take to kindly to it.

[Harper_is_Bush]

13. In your title you said "now this will cause an uproar"

I think the implication of that is plain to see. You're talking about something equal or similar to the demonstrations over the Mohammed depictions.

[Malikshah]

16. Uh-- the implication was pretty damn clear

No use back pedaling now.

Toothpaste out of the tube and all that.

[ECH1969]

17. Perhaps you don't get it then

When I see protesters burning down embassies I don't see that as the whole muslim world, I see that as a very loud minority.

A very loud minority will cause a very large uproar but that in no way is the whole muslim world.

[Malikshah]

18. Oh, don't worry. I get it. Loud and clear

Not the whole parseing of loud minority issues, though.

I get it all the same.

Yup.

To quote The Court Jester: Get it? Got it. Good.

[Behind the Aegis]

23. You don't get it at all.

You are making something of nothing.

[Malikshah]

24. Oh...I *get* it loud and clear. Strange that one would say that

As the initial post appears to be trying very hard to ratchet up anti-Muslim feeling...spinning it out of a story regarding a movie.

Must admit, though-- good and clever spinning. One must be quite proud.

[Behind the Aegis]

39. No, you really don't get it.

The OP is stating that he feels the subject of homosexuality and Islam will cause an uproar. It would have been no different than saying "The Book of Daniel" will cause an uproar with the fundies, which it did.

The only spinning here is yours.

[Malikshah]

43. Ah, the lovely back and forth

I feel so very privileged.

The spin is clear. The context in which the spin is clear.

The continual defense by some of the spin is clear.

No Windex is needed.

What's next? Deus lo volt! ?

Enjoy the ride. I'm getting off and joining the rest.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

10. Sufis are also persecuted in many of these nations

I know that Sufis are prosecuted in Saudi Arabia, and I've been told by Persian brothers that they keep a low profile in Iran.

[Behind the Aegis]

22. Considering the reaction over cartoons...

...the very idea that gays and lesbians can be humanized and considered Muslim will offend quite a few; like his other film did.

[xultar]

6. That'll give the fundies here some ideas.

[951-Riverside]

11. *sigh* This is why I hate fundies

Thousands of muslims are MURDERED over LIES and these muslim fundies say absolutely NOTHING yet they get upset over cartoons and speeches?

Who the hell are these clerics working for?

The CIA?

[mdmc]

14. even if it is underground

....

[WindRavenX]

15. I met and talked with the director

"Trembling before G-d" was amazing. The director is a fantastic human being, and we should commend him on his courage.

[Placebo]

19. Can't wait to see this!

Hopefully it will wake a lot of people up. Or at least make them informed.

[sam sarrha]

20. actually,Jealous gods like Allah and Jehovah are actually Demi-gods, they

are known for their propensity for causing trouble in the human realm and the God realm... the Actual full fledged Gods are 'Prideful', the Demi-wannabe-gods are 'jealous'..

google 'Wheel of Life'

i used to be an Atheist, till i learned about the realms.. apparently there are actually gods, but they are busy bliss'n out in their own realm.. and dont have anything to do with humans. the Demi-gods on the other hand are like a kid tormenting an ant hill..

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

25. Sam,

I think what you are talking about are people's concept of God. In my concept, there is only one Being, and that Being is such that a person can never understand or comprehend the entire scope of that Being.

[sam sarrha]

47. i entirely agree, But the nature of the mind that creates that situation

of limited perception, also creates a tendency to 'externalize' the concept of an extreme being.. when iy is actually most probabbly ..and simply, our own true nature.

[rayofreason]

26. into Gnostic literature...

...it would seem.

I didn't know that these ideas like the Demiurge were still floating around with some adherents.

[sam sarrha]

48. actually i wasn't referring to Demiurge.. this is from about 500 BC,, it is

actually from the early Hindu, and what i referred to in the Wheel of life is from a teaching of the Buddha from about 2,500 years ago.. The Buddhists dont concern themselves with the origin of the universe, the origin of the universe is of no consequence to the nature of the universe. the object is to liberate oneself from Samsara.. the world of suffering: dissatisfaction/unhappiness/grasping/pain/rebirth/old age/sickness/and death.

the Four Noble Truths that are the foundation of Buddhism are actually a Logical Statement.. 'There is suffering in this world/Suffering is caused by desire:grasping/ therefore if there is a cause there is a solution/the Noble Eight Fold path: eliminate the cause and train the mind to see things beyond its limitations

in Buddhism there is no Soul.. Nothing inherently exists. everything is an effect of a cause, or part of something else and can not stand/exist alone.. the self is the result of a collection past events reinforced by habitual thoughts and emotions. you were not born who you are, although your were born with Karmic tendencies and/or genetics. you are not the same 'self' as you were at 2 years old, or as a teenager, ..the self ever changing and is an aggregate of events.. just as a Table is an agra gate of not only what it is made of but also a collection of legs a top surface, sides, fasteners.. if you remove any part it becomes less a table and more like fire wood..

although there is illusion involved, life is more illusory than anything

what we see and feel is actually the electron clouds surrounding mostly empty space.. we dont see anything other than the photons reflecting of empty space, we actually touch nothing.. we only feel the electromagnetic repulsion of negative electron clouds.. yours and the Thing your think you are touching.

Meditation trains the mind to recognize the Conventional world as it is..

[rayofreason]

27. Expect violence...

...from two quarters. One will be Iranian-led, with groups like Hizbollah launching attacks on movie theaters that show the film. The other prong of violence will come from Al-Queda types (representing the Sunni extremists). Both groups will try to outdo each other to prove that they are the "real" defenders of the faith. Also expect that some of the worst riots will occurr in places that have governments that oppress Islamists, like Egypt and Syria. Those governments will find this a convienient way to deflect anger and also to illustrate what bad things come from a society that has freedom of speech.

And yes, the makers of the film better be ready to go into hiding. Some of the worst extremists are found in the West. They would love nothing better that to further split Muslims from western culture by killing the authors of the film, or people involved with its production or distribution.

And God bless Sharma and Dubowski for telling it like it is.

[sadiesworld]

28. Ratcheting up the heat.

(it's really, really, really not about the oil)

[milky]

29. New Allah

New here but just wondering why you would type out Allah but leave out parts when typing God? Is typing the word God like putting Mohammad in print? Just wondering.

[genie_weenie]

30. Hey, Milky.... Welcome aboard

First Post and all...



Man, I'm not sure I have enough street cred to do a welcome

[milky]

31. Thank you, thank you

I heard it's hard to stay here when your in the middle like i am but we'll see I suppose. I like looking at both sides in every instance so hopefully I won't get attacked too much.

[Skittles]

32. we don't tolerate trolls

if you are a bush supporter please do not stay

[milky]

33. Only support what I think is right

Not supporting THE right.

[Skittles]

35. ok

just understand that for many of us - for example, me, a liberal in Texas, DU is my SANTUARY away from the santimonious disgusting conservative garbage I have to hear constantly.

[milky]

36. I am no cheerleader

I'm not a cheerleader for either side. If I disagree with what is said I hope it doesn't make me a troll. I speak for no one but myself, does that matter here or do I have to lean one way or the other whether I stay or not? I am under the impression that this is a site for debating issues, not for reflecting one side or the other. Perhaps I should learn sooner rather than later I suppose, but if I have different views I hope that I will not be banned for my beliefs but yet taught through debate that I am wrong or right.

[Skittles]

37. no

READ THE RULES PLEASE

[milky]

38. the rules

People who are easily offended, or who are not accustomed to having their opinions (including deeply held personal convictions) challenged may not feel entirely comfortable here. A thick skin is necessary to participate on this or any other discussion forum.

Seems all rules will be followed by me. Tough skin goes both ways does it not?

[Skittles]

46. horse shit

I don't mind my opinions challenged; for chrissakes why would I stay in this conservative hell-hole if I was thin-skinned? As I said, DU is a SANCTUARY for like-minded people, a way to get away from the daily sickening barrage of conservative garbage that dominates all media

[milky]

49. funny

I thought Fox was about the only conservative news. What other MSM is conservative?

[Behind the Aegis]

40. Simple explanation.

The title of the movie is, in fact, "Trembling Before G-d." It was not an edit on the part of the original poster. The reason it it written that way is because Jews do not write out the name of G-d in Hebrew or English (I am not sure about other languages, but have seem something similar in Spanish and Italian) on anything that is disposable or can be "defiled." I am unaware of any such rule in Islam. However, non-Jews are free to write out the name anyway they see fit (some Jews also do not adhere to this 'rule,' as it is not a major one).

[milky]

44. I see , thank you.

Appreciate it.

[uppityperson]

41. Original poster wrote G-d because that is the name of the movie

You could write the people who made the movie and ask them.

[NVMojo]

34. if anyone wants to keep the uproar going, they can just show the torture

photos.

[Name removed]

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[The Stranger]

45. The Christofascist Fundies aren't going to like that either.