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sharonstone Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 12:00 AM
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TORONTO ELECT A LEFT WING MAYOR
http://www.canada.com/toronto/features/municipalelections/index.html

David Miller elected Toronto mayor
A 44-year-old Harvard-educated veteran of local politics was elected mayor of Canada's largest city Monday, on a promise to put an end to the corruption and backroom deals that marred the leadership of flamboyant ex-furniture salesman Mel Lastman.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 12:38 AM
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1. Canada doesn't elect
municipal politicians on the basis of party.

It wasn't an NDP/Liberal/PC race.

It was individual and personal.

Miller has 2 degrees, one in law and one in economics, 10 years on council, and uncovered a huge scandal involving computer supply.

Plus he's a self-made man, son of a single mom.

His personal choice of provincial or federal party is neither here nor there.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 04:30 AM
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2. There are parties in Vancouver city politics
COPE, Green, NPA... mayor Larry Campbell is from the left leaning Committee of Progressive Electors, or COPE.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 04:54 AM
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3. But in Toronto municipal politics
Edited on Tue Nov-11-03 05:10 AM by Minstrel Boy
the NDP, unlike other parties, run official slates of candidates. Miller has sat for 9 years as an NDP councillor. He ran as an NDP candidate for mayor, endorsed by the party and leader Jack Layton.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 08:45 AM
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4. I understand you're not from Toronto
Alberta, as I recall ... perhaps not the best vantage point for analysing Toronto municipal elections.

There were three main candidates in the late days of the Toronto mayoral election: one Conservative (John Tory ... by name, and Tory by nature), one Liberal (Barbara Hall, former mayor), and one New Democrat (Miller). No one in Toronto would be so naive or disingenuous as to suggest that there was no party politics in the race.

"It was individual and personal."

No, it was political. Once Hall became irrelevant, it was a race between a candidate who made the usual tax/spending-cut, more-police-on-the-street promises, and a candidate who promised to spend money to try to solve problems like Toronto's homelessness situation. It was fundamentally, to the core political.

Certainly there was a well of resentment of the back-room politicking etc. of the Lastman reign, but that could have been tapped by a Liberal just as well as anyone else. In a campaign where there were substantive issues and clearly different agendas, the Liberals were just unable to do their mushy-centre act and persuade the electorate that the Liberal world was the best of all possible worlds.

And given the presence of a strong, real alternative to the right in the Toronto race, the Liberals couldn't soak up the left vote with that fuzzy "liberal" image -- we're good because we're not bad -- as they did in the provincial election for instance.

(A municipal campaign in Canada is the closest we get to a US-style state or federal election: there is a direct vote for mayor, as there is in the US for governor or president. In provincial and federal elections, there is no direct vote for premier or prime minister, and so who wins those offices depends to some extent on local preferences for the local representative.)

Obviously there were local issues in the Toronto election that don't break down neatly into party compartments -- such as the Toronto Island airport issue. But Miller's overall approach is the historical approach of the left in Toronto municipal politics, which goes back to John Sewell and his crowd, and the anti-blockbusting etc. of the 60s.

The NDP is deeply entrenched in Toronto city politics -- as are the two right-wing parties in all municipalities in Ontario, it's just that their activities are not as open and direct and visible to the public. The NDP's entrance into the municipal arena was of course later in most places; the Liberals and Conservatives had simply been there since time immemorial. When Jane Bigelow was elected mayor of London, and Marion Dewar was elected major of Ottawa, there was no doubt in the public mind as to their party affiliation: NDP. When Liberals and Conservatives have been mayor of those cities, there were undoubtedly people who actually believed that their mayors weren't big Libs or big Tories, which is just how those parties wanted things.

The NDP has pulled ahead of the others in Toronto in its ability to focus its efforts and present a consistent and coherent vision to voters. But the party lines are of course not as rigid on Toronto city council as Canadans are used to in provincial and federal politics, in which party standings determine who is premier and prime minister. With a directly elected "executive" (mayor), votes get split, and the mayor may not have a majority or even plurality on council. Here's one Toronto Star columnist's take:

Before yesterday's vote there were 13 New Democrats on council, plus three or four centre-left sympathizers. Miller and the left-wingers won three seats from the right, but also lost three (counting centre-left veteran Anne Johnston). The rest are mostly moderates, as in the old council. But they are new and younger and many of them are more progressive than the ones who have left.

Miller must govern from the centre, like all his predecessors, or risk a polarized, gridlocked council. He can't be too doctrinaire. And the first evidence will be the people he chooses to lead out in his administration. For example, right-winger David Soknacki (Ward 43 Scarborough East) is pegged as a good budget chief and Miller could signal he takes the city's finances seriously by appointing him.

He will also have to reach out to the right-wingers, but that is not a difficult task. Council's moderates and centre-right members are a numerous but not well-organized. They don't have a natural leader — a role Paul Sutherland would have assumed had he not run and lost in the provincial election. Miller should be able to co-opt them easily, with choice appointments. Most councillors, left or right, tend to gravitate towards power. The power now rests with Miller and so council will tilt to the left. But if he tries to take them too far left, he might be in for a tussle.






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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 08:59 AM
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6. Excellent post!
Thanks for the in-depth analysis of the election and it's implications. Being from B.C., I can say with certainty, elections in our big cities are most certainly political in their ties to parties.
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LeftistGorilla Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 08:51 AM
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5. I voted Miller!
I do believe it was political as Tory was backed by the police union (a big issue in Toronto) and the Globe&Mail while Miller was backed by the teachers union, student federations, The Toronto Star and all the Free Leftist news prints (Now,Eye)....not based on parties but on political ideals...

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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:10 AM
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7. but ... (and: electronic vote counting)
"... not based on parties but on political ideals"

... the NDP *is* a party based on political ideals!

Me, I got to vote for my wonderful former and now once-again NDP city councillor (replacing the NDP city councillor who had succeeded her and whom I detested but voted for anyhow, not wanting to be represented by whoever was that year's smarmy proxy for the filthy corrupt Liberal MP in these parts). But when it came to voting for mayor I closed my eyes and filled in a circle -- anybody but the Liberal incumbent, who was going to get an overwhelming majority anyhow.


Meant to mention about our municipal elections -- for any of our southern neighbours reading -- the voting machines. (This is still local option, I believe.)

Federal and provincial votes are still ballots marked with an X by pencil and counted by hand. Municipal ballots have ovals to fill in by pen, and are then slipped into a folder (for secrecy), handed to an official, run through a machine that records the vote and deposited into a ballot box for retention.

If there is any problem with a ballot (more than one candidate marked, marks outside the right place, etc.), it is rejected while the voter is still standing there. The vote counts are available immediately after the polls close. There is a paper trail.

Seems like the ideal method to me!


Huh! We also had on-line voting in some places!

http://www.recorder.ca/cp/national/031109/n110923A.html

About 100,000 voters the counties of Prescott-Russell and Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry were registered to cast their ballots online.

Under a new system developed by CanVote Inc., an eastern Ontario startup company, registered voters in 11 area municipalities had the option of voting via the Internet or telephone.

"I believe we're the first to do a real full Internet election in North America," said Joe Church, president of CanVote Inc.

"People vote by Internet or telephone at their choice. There is no conventional ballot at all."

Voters were issued a PIN number with conventional registration cards mailed to area households. Since Nov. 5, people have been logging on to a CanVote website to vote.



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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:19 AM
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8. "Miller was dismissed as too left-wing..."
From today's Toronto Star:

"Miller was dismissed as too left-wing, too focused on the one issue of killing the island airport bridge, and too union-friendly. But voters were put off by none of those concerns. In fact, his supporters often chanted 'NDP, NDP' at the many debates during the 11-month contest."
http://tinyurl.com/uj8y

The article unearths a classic quote from mad Mel Lastman:

"'You will never be mayor of this city, this I can tell you right now. Because you say stupid and dumb things,' Lastman told Miller, ignoring the fact he made a living off the same."

Thanks for the memories, Mel. :crazy:

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