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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:43 AM
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On tape, Hussein talks of WMDs (but Iraq had none;some reports misleading)
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 09:43 AM by Wordie
On tape, Hussein talks of WMDs
Former Iraqi leader heard saying he warned U.S. of terrorism


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein told his Cabinet in the mid-1990s that the U.S. would fall victim to terrorists possessing weapons of mass destruction but that Iraq would not be involved, tapes released Saturday at an intelligence summit reveal.

Hussein also can be heard speaking with high-ranking Iraqi officials about deceiving United Nations inspectors looking into Iraq's weapons program, which his son-in-law, Lt. Gen. Hussein Kamel, oversaw.

...A U.S. official said the tapes "do not change the story" on Saddam's weapons programs in any substantive way.

"We already knew he had them in the early '90s and wanted to get them again after he lost them but was not able to," the official said.


http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/18/hussein.tapes/

The tapes' content was revealed by a nongovernmental conference in Arlington, Virginia, called Intelligence Summit 2006. The website of the conference's sponsor, the Michael Cherney Fund, says the fund's main objective is "helping realize the intellectual potential of the post-Soviet emigres to Israel." And on the list of speakers for the conference were Richard Perle and Michael Ledeen! This reeks of neocon!

Note also that FAUX is reporting this morning that the tapes prove that Saddam really did have wmds! See also the FAIR Action Alert, downthread, for info on ABC's misleading reporting on this.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:47 AM
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1. I also heard them implacate Brazil. I await the backlast from Brazil.
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 08:50 AM by rodeodance
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:55 AM
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5. I heard something about Brazil, but didn't catch it clearly.
What was the implication?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:04 AM
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10. sorry, it was a teaser opener--and I then switched to cspan.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:18 PM
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24. Saddam WMDs, Brazil, is that the Cardoen Corp ?

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:49 AM
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2. obvioulsy Fox does not recognize SH propaganda. te he-idiots.
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Chomp Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:51 AM
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3. So.....
SH is a lyng sack of meglomaniacal shit? Wow.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:56 AM
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7. SH?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:55 AM
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4. Yeah, before Clinton bombed the place
In his unnecessary, so-called wag the dog, attack. They just never stop with their distortions.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:56 AM
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6. An as-yet unreleased tape actually contains audio of the WMD removal...
where Saddam is heard to say "quick, it's the Americans!!!!" and then the distinct sound of a flushing toilet can be heard.
:sarcasm:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:01 AM
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8. This group and others will spin and milk these tapes until they are
unrecognizable.


....The tapes' content was revealed by a nongovernmental conference in Arlington, Virginia, called Intelligence Summit 2006. The website of the conference's sponsor, the Michael Cherney Fund, says the fund's main objective is "helping realize the intellectual potential of the post-Soviet emigres to Israel." And on the list of speakers for the conference were Richard Perle and Michael Ledeen! This reeks of neocon!
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:12 AM
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12. Tapes taken from FBI...translation center (isn't that called "stealing"?)
According to MSNBC report:
House Intelligence Committee chairman Pete Hoekstra is reviewing transcripts to determine if U.S. officials missed WMD evidence after the war. But intel agencies are skeptical. The tapes were taken without permission from an FBI-run translation center, officials say, and are years old. Two government officials, requesting anonymity because of the sensitive subject, say the tapes in no way prove that WMD stockpiles or programs existed at the time of the U.S. invasion or were moved to another country before U.S. troops arrived.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11299205/site/newsweek/
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:40 PM
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23. I wonder what they'd do if Sibel just started releasing translations?
Oh yeah, never mind, because they would be hurt by Sibel's information she's been gagged. :banghead:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:02 AM
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9. k and recommend
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:04 AM
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11. I'm sure Saddam would not use the right wing talking point- WMD
I'm equally sure that the gang that can't shoot straight thought up WMD. It is so easy for the cultists to learn and repeat.
Then carefully add Saddam did 9/11.
:freak:
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:34 AM
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19. Yes, *wanting* WMD and *having* WMD are two entirely different things. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:17 AM
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13. Duelfer report--recall that?---anyway he says tapes reinforce his Report


A spokeswoman for Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte said the tapes were "fascinating," but they "do not reveal anything that changes their postwar analysis of Iraq's weapons programs, nor do they change the findings contained in the comprehensive Iraq Survey Group report."

The Survey Group report, written by Charles Duelfer and published in October 2004, concluded that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction when the United States invaded in March of 2003, but the regime intended to resume its WMD programs once U.N. sanctions were lifted.

Of the tapes, Duelfer said, "The tapes tend to reinforce, confirm, and to a certain extent, provide a bit more detail, the conclusions which we brought out in the report."

The tapes, which were obtained by the U.S. government sometime after the invasion of Iraq, are part of about 35,000 additional boxes of material on Iraq's weapons programs and efforts, said an aide to House Intelligence Committee Chairman Pete Hoekstra, R-Michigan, who has reviewed the tapes.
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ovidsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:20 AM
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14. BushCo caught in a lie. Again.
"We already knew he had them in the early '90s and wanted to get them again after he lost them but was not able to," the(US) official said.

So the US knew Saddam had 'lost' his WMDs and was not able to get any new ones.

And the US invaded Iraq anyway.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:32 AM
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15. FAIR has issued an Action Alert...contact ABC news re: misleading info.
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 09:33 AM by Wordie
Action Alert

Missing From ABC's WMD 'Scoop'
Star defector Hussein Kamel said weapons were destroyed


2/17/06

On February 15, ABC investigative reporter Brian Ross delivered an exclusive report on World News Tonight and Nightline that purported to be a bombshell. ABC had obtained tape-recorded conversations from mid-1995 that seemed to show that Iraq had been concealing its weapons of mass destruction program. The tapes, according to Ross, "will only serve to fuel the continuing debate about Saddam's true intentions and whether he, in fact, did hide weapons of mass destruction." But ABC viewers were left in the dark about information that would undermine the tape's most important revelations.

ABC emphasized the excerpts of a conversation between Saddam Hussein and his weapons chief (and son-in-law) Hussein Kamel that seem to bolster the idea that Iraq was hiding weapons from inspectors. As Ross reported on Nightline, "Saddam's son-in-law briefs Saddam on the Iraqi campaign of deceit aimed at fooling UN inspectors." Kamel is then heard telling Saddam Hussein, in ABC's translation: "We did not reveal all that we have. Not the type of weapons. Not the volume of the materials we imported. Not the volume of the production we told them about. Not the volume of news. None of this was correct."

ABC provides little context for the exchange, but suggests that these admissions might provide new insight into the Bush administration's decision to invade Iraq a decade later. In fact, what Kamel revealed about the extent of Iraq's weapons programs has been known for some time, and portions of his account were an integral part of the White House's case for war.

Kamel defected from Iraq in 1995, and talked at great length with U.N. weapons inspectors and the CIA about Iraq's unconventional weapons programs. He revealed at that time that Iraq's chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs had been more advanced than the Saddam Hussein regime had admitted to the inspectors. Kamel publicly revealed the concealment of WMD-related activities in an interview with CNN (9/21/95): "The order was to hide much of it from the start, and we hid a lot of that information. These were not individual acts of concealment, but were as a result of direct orders from the top." So the fact that Saddam Hussein was attempting to deceive the weapons inspectors, as in ABC's tape, is hardly news more than 10 years later.

But ABC's story does not include what was arguably Kamel's more important revelation, which was that Iraq had destroyed its stocks of usable unconventional weapons. "Iraq does not possess any weapons of mass destruction," he told CNN in 1995. He told the same story to U.N. and U.S. officials, saying that by destroying the weapons in the summer of 1991, Saddam Hussein hoped to conceal how far Iraq had gotten in developing weapons, with the intent of restarting these programs after the inspection regime was ended.

Hussein Kamel was lured back to Iraq in 1996, where he was almost immediately killed by Saddam Hussein's forces. But when the Bush administration began gearing up for war with Iraq in 2002, it found that selective citation of Kamel's testimony could be very helpful in making its case. Vice President Dick Cheney asserted in an August 2002 speech (8/26/02) that the Iraqi regime had been "very busy enhancing its capabilities in the field of chemical and biological agents," and continued "to pursue the nuclear program they began many years ago." To back this up these claims, Cheney added, "We've gotten this from the firsthand testimony of defectors, including Saddam's own son-in-law"—a reference to Kamel.

In a Chicago Tribune op-ed (9/10/02), former head of the U.N. weapons inspection team Scott Ritter pointed out that Cheney had left out a critical part of Kamel’s story:

Throughout his interview with UNSCOM, a U.N. special commission, Hussein Kamel reiterated his main point—that nothing was left. "All chemical weapons were destroyed," he said. "I ordered destruction of all chemical weapons. All weapons—biological, chemical, missile, nuclear—were destroyed."


Nevertheless, the administration continued to selectively use Kamel's disclosures to bolster its case that Iraq had hidden stockpiles of banned weapons. "It took years for Iraq to finally admit that it had produced four tons of the deadly nerve agent, VX," then-Secretary of State Colin Powell said in his February 5, 2003 speech to the U.N. "The admission only came out after inspectors collected documentation as a result of the defection of Hussein Kamel, Saddam Hussein's late son-in-law." Powell did not note that Kamel had also reported that this nerve gas, along with all other such weapons, had been destroyed years earlier (Extra!, 5-6/03).

Shortly before the invasion of Iraq began, Newsweek (3/3/03) obtained the transcript of Kamel's 1995 debriefing by officials from UNSCOM, the U.N. inspections team, as well as the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). It published Kamel's key statement from that transcript: "All weapons—biological, chemical, missile, nuclear—were destroyed." Newsweek reported that Kamel told the same story to the CIA, but his account had been "hushed up." Shortly thereafter, the complete transcript of Kamel's discussions with inspectors was made public by Cambridge University's Glen Rangwala.

As FAIR noted shortly after the Newsweek report (FAIR Media Advisory, 2/27/03), this crucial information went largely unreported in the mainstream media. Three years later, that is still the case. Instead of this critical context—which frankly undermines the importance of the network's "exclusive"—ABC opted for political speculation. The network's report quotes Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-Mich.): "From reading some of the transcripts, you would think that it's pretty likely that there were WMD that were hidden or that were moved out of the country." By omitting countervailing information, ABC is in effect bolstering such ill-informed claims.

Nightline anchor Terry Moran asserted that the tapes ABC aired made an important contribution to our understanding of the Iraq controversy: "Without question, these tapes will shed new light on the debate over the war and on Saddam's future." If ABC's report is any indication, that debate will continue to ignore inconvenient facts about what was really known before the war about Iraq's weapons.

ACTION: Contact ABC and ask why its reports citing an Iraqi official to bolster the idea that Iraq had WMDs failed to mention that the same official told weapons inspectors that Iraq's weapons stockpiles were destroyed in 1991.

CONTACT:
ABC World News Tonight
Phone: 212-456-4040
netaudr@abc.com

ABC Nightline
Phone: 202-222-7000
nightline@abc.com


http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2825

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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:10 AM
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18. There may be problems w/World News Tonight email address, so here
is their webform, through which you can contact them:
http://abc.go.com/site/contactus.html?cat=World%20News%20Tonight
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 01:48 PM
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20. Here also is FAUX news contact info...
FAIR hasn't yet issued an Action Alert for the deceptive reporting about the Saddam tapes on FAUX (maybe they realize it will do little good), but for anyone who wishes to contact FAUX to complain, here it is:

Fox News, Comments, comments@foxnews.com
Fox News, Viewer Services, viewerservices@foxnews.com
The title of the FAUX program, according to my tv schedule, is "Fox & Friends Sunday," for which I don't have a link, but here is the link for general "Fox and Friends" email contact: friends@foxnews.com

And I think that someone was saying that the host reporting on the Saddam tapes was Sean Hannity (the "SH" referred to upthread), so here's his:
Fox News, Hannity & Colmes (Sean Hannity), Hannity@foxnews.com
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rfkrfk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:46 AM
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16. a veiled threat, what to do ?
this was right after the WTC was bombed, IIRC.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:51 AM
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17. According to FAIR, the tapes are from 1995. eom
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 04:55 PM
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21. Shouldn't these tapes be available to his defense team first?
If they are having a trial concerning what Saddam did and/or what he ordered to be done, shouldn't the defense team have copies of these tapes? How about the prosecution? And why aren't these tapes being used in that court proceeding?

:shrug:
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:42 PM
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22. Add'l info: Intel summit overshadowed by fund concern (unlawful activity)
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 06:43 PM by Wordie
Intel summit overshadowed by fund concern
By Shaun Waterman Feb 18, 2006, 20:02 GMT

WASHINGTON, DC, United States (UPI) -- U.S. intelligence officials are being warned about attending a conference this weekend where organizers plan to release audio tapes of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein discussing his illegal weapons programs -- because of concerns about one of the event`s underwriters.

...questions about one of the conference`s sponsors, Russian-Israeli millionaire Michael Cherney -- denied a visa to the United States because of what the State Department said was concern about 'unlawful activity' -- were raised with the National Counterintelligence Executive earlier this year.

A State Department official confirmed that Cherney had been denied a U.S. visa in August 2003, under Section 212 of the Immigration and National Act, which bars entry to 'Any alien who a consular officer or the Attorney General knows, or has reasonable ground to believe, seeks to enter the United States to engage solely, principally, or incidentally in... any ... unlawful activity.'


The two former CIA directors on the event`s advisory board who withdrew from the event were R. James Woolsey and John Deutch.

'I got new information this week about the funder from someone I know and whose judgment on these matters I trust,' he (Woolsey) said in a statement provided to UPI. 'Based on that information I decided to withdraw. If Loftus is saying that anyone pressured me about this issue he is quite wrong.'


The article also seems to say that the two have withdrawn from the Intelligence Summit's board of directors, but it isn't completely clear if that was the case, or if it might have meant a withdrawal from the conference itself only.

John Loftus, former DOJ prosecuter and the event organizer, who is said on his website to "...know more intelligence secrets than anyone alive," claimed that exhibitors, attendees and speakers were pulling out because of pressure from Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte`s office.

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northamerica/article_1131094.php/Intel_summit_overshadowed_by_fund_concern

:popcorn:

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