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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:51 PM Original message |
Shoot to hurt, pol urges cops (Shoot to Wound - NY State) |
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pocket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
1. all shooting is deadly force |
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Talismom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. I don't understand why. If you could aim for a leg and disable him so as |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Because the arm or leg is a small target |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. I agree with you... |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. I'm sure this was just a Freudian slip: |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 03:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
66. Yup...I meant prosecuted to the full extent of the law... |
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tn-guy (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
63. understanding for cop's situation |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. High stress also reduces blood flow to the extremeties. |
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AGKISTRODON (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. It is not this simple |
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420inTN (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. Batons, Tasers, Sprays == Disable. Guns == Kill |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
36. Legs have arteries. Shots in the legs can be fatal. |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. this is the rule in Europe since many years |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Long time been the law in Canada, too. nt |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. I've never heard of that policy - Can you support it with a cite |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. Link please |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. I've never heard of this policy in Europe or Canada |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. see my post 24 (n/t) oops, post 26 |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. OK it's even a UN "law" |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 07:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. That's all great. But WTF does it say they should be allowed |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 09:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. what's left when you want to disarm somebod y ? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 11:43 AM Response to Reply #39 |
50. You mean they have to shoot of the suspect's arms and head first? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
57. major difference |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
4. Sounds great... |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
5. Why is it Dumb???? |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Well, there's a general rule of gun safety... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Not quite the way I have always been taught... |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. true, that is the more correct wording |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
41. self-delete |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 06:03 AM Response to Reply #13 |
45. Tell that to cheney |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
6. For those Du'ers who do not have hand- or other kinds of gun experience |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. It's more difficult, takes more skill to hit to wound. |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. It's not like on TV - I shoot weekly and won a state Championship |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. Add to that |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Police shootings often involve moving targets, poor lighting, etc. |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Thanks |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. You probably can be more surgical with the rifle |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 09:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
40. A scoped rifle |
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Mind_your_head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
8. This bill is probably ill-conceived (as already stated in the article) |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. If his heart is in the right place, WTF is his head? |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
17. Must be the "Lets see how many officers we can get Killed" Bill. |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. being in a lethal force scenario |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
26. so what are current laws? |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
28. There's no such thing. Even leg shots are easily fatal. |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. that sums it up nicely ,thanks n/t |
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Che_Nuevara (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
31. Even if you -do- hit him in the leg, |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
35. Considering you can shoot someone in the leg and still kill |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
42. Good. It's the 21st C. equivalent of "putting phasers on stun"! |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 03:24 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. give me a star trek phaser |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 10:02 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Not real?? Wh...what!!? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. watch out |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. mmmmmm kay. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 01:12 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. slipping? |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 01:16 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. forgive me |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. my big words fail me |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. fair enough...have a great day n/t |
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Texacrat (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 03:37 AM Response to Original message |
44. Spitzer needs to tell his lieutentant to STFU |
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Boo Boo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
48. This is lame. They need to provide police with another tool for that job. |
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trogdor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
49. I wonder if Patterson was ever a cop. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
51. I think this law would create a serious liability issue for the police |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
53. LET'S SEE THE BILL BEFORE JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS BASED ON MEDIA REPORTS! |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
54. good, this make sense |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 01:30 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. cops are not paid to get killed |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
61. another article a little more info |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
62. Obviously some people have never been in a life threatening... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
64. Good idea. |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. this is not about gun rights. it's about common sense. this bill has none. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-25-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Who said anything about gun rights? I sure didn't. |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 03:09 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. it has everything to do with common sense. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
68. That's the way it used to be |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 03:11 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. just curious do you have a cite on that?? n/t |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 03:15 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. No, it was 20 years ago |
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Texacrat (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-28-06 01:25 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. That was when cops were allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect |
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