breaking: MSNBC...US has started dropping 2,000 lb bombs on Iraq

[ElsewheresDaughter]

no link yet...is this why Bremer was ordered back to safety in the US?

[E_Zapata]

1. Yeah, I can see the guy drafting his own order to return.........

Dear Bremer: git yer ass out of there. Stat! Love, Brem!

Fire and Bremstone! Oh My!

[saigon68]

37. Winning Hearts and Minds-- By blowing their ASSES away !!!!

This should make some more friends to throw flowers.

[saigon68]

60. NOTHING LIKE A MARK 84 W/Fuse extender

To terrorize the community. Ah but we can't use that "T" word.

We are the "coalition liberators", the Iraqi population are the terrorists. (Except Chalabi and friends)

P. S. He's soon to be President.

[central scrutinizer]

92. I hope they don't hit the schools

that we opened. Forget all of the lies about WMD - we reopened the damn schools, so just move on and ignore the librul media who won't report all of the happy news from Iraq.

[caledesi]

100. The dirty little secret is that NO ONE is going to the schools

because they are afraid.

[shirlden]

107. Minor correction on the schools

We opened some schools. I can't find the link now. We opened about 1500 schools out of a total of over 5000. This was supposed to be reported as one of Shrub's feel good stories, but fell on its' keaster when the actual news came out.

:kick:

[samsingh]

76. dropping more bombs on the people of Iraq is obscene

we are continuing to commit criminal acts against a civilian population.

[La_Serpiente]

2. So that's what they were doing in Scotland

geezus

[Terwilliger]

101. hundreds of planes for a bombing run? I doubt it

Whatever's happening in Scotland signfies a much larger mission. That's what worries me.

[hang a left]

102. me too!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

103. me three

[Zero Gravitas]

3. the ungrateful Iraqis

were not sufficiently shocked and awed when we killed them the 10s of thousands during Bush's invasion.

[BlackFrancis]

4. Well that should fix everything

I'm sure that will certainly dispel any notions about our pure, good, intentions of bringing democracy and freedom from fear to the suffering Iraqi people.

[underpants]

7. Yeah they tend to "fix" a lot

Wecome to DU:hi: Love the screename!

Teenager of the Year?

[BlackFrancis]

17. someone keeps the faith!

Everyone else I know hates the solo stuff and harps on about how Frank was only good when he was with the pixies :shrug:

True music fans know that Teenager of the Year is the best damn album of the nineties ;-)

[Melsky]

33. I'm a big Frank Black fan too

I heard and loved his solo stuff before I got into the pixies. His music has helped me through some of the hard times in my life.

Welcome to DU!

:toast:

[realFedUp]

85. Changing hearts and minds, one bomb at a time...

Welcome to DU BlackFrancis.

[UpInArms]

5. no major combat operations

right?

just a little "mopping up" exercise?

more Operation Iraqi Liberation (OIL)?

getting even with the Iraqis for not throwing flowers?

I am sickened :(

[underpants]

9. I was away last week but I have a question about the "show of force"

at the sight of the helicopter downing.

Was that (perhaps like this) supposed to scare the Iraqis straight?

What genius thought that up?

Where they just bombing to get rid of something or someone?

[Bandit]

55. It is a bit of "Monkey see ~ Monkey do

Israel does exactly the same type stuff and I guess we figure if we back Israel we should use same approach to finding peace. It works soo well as has been demonstrated over these last three years especially.

[Code_Name_D]

65. Mabey

they found Husane's janitor?

[Paschall]

77. As some CentCom spokesman explained, underpants

We're showing our "claws and teeth." I guess "shock and awe" wasn't explicite enough. :eyes:

[Lefta Dissenter]

6. but WAIT, don't we need to discuss the Peterson case first?

on MSNBC and CNN :grr:

[IndianaGreen]

15. Don't forget the Malvo case, the Rosie case, and the very important

Kobe Bryant case.

[0007]

47. MSNBC - FOX News - CNN is being fed by the White House...

MSNBC - FOX News - CNN feeds us!
Yummy

[MrPrax]

79. Heh...

Oh yeah...they involve 'black on white' sex and a Hot Lesbo 'civil' action...
Why am I on this boring webpage reading about war?
Oh I know I googled 'topless' 'Lynch'
Damn!!!

[Kahuna]

16. Welcome to DU fellow Wes Winger!

:pals: :hi:

[psychopomp]

51. Total*Network*Compliance

I remember in the really old days somebody would pass the script for breaking news to the presenter: "We interrupt this story for some breaking news..."

No more; these days they let the drone go on and let the goverment get a pass.

[Maeve]

8. Compare and contrast with THIS story

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20031112_559.html
Report Warns Iraqis Supporting Resistance
New Report Warns More Iraqis Losing Faith With U.S.-Led Occupation, Starting to Support Resistance
WASHINGTON Nov. 12 — A new top-secret intelligence report warns that Iraqis are losing faith in U.S.-led occupation forces, a development that is increasing support for the resistance, officials said Wednesday.
CIA officials refused to confirm the existence of the report, but it comes to light amid high-level meetings here on the situation on the ground in Iraq. Two other senior U.S. officials said the report paints a worrisome picture of the political and security situation there.

It suggests spiraling violence and a lack of confidence in the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council may be bringing efforts to a turning point, sending more Iraqis over to the side of insurgents fighting occupation troops, said two officials speaking on condition of anonymity.
<snip>
On the subject of the increasing violence, one official noted that American forces already are using more aggressive raids and other tactics to try to fight insurgents, which officials fear could alienate more Iraqis. For instance, American forces responded with aerial bombing and mortars over the weekend in a show-of-force response to the downing of a U.S. helicopter last week.

[frustrated_lefty]

10. I guess

we now know what happened to the planes reported to be flying over Scotland last weekend.

[underpants]

12. I missed that story

Please fill me in.

[madrchsod]

24. some of our friends

in scotland were reporting that there was a build up of planes and actifities at our bases there, much as the same as before the war.

[kysrsoze]

20. Goooooooood Morning, Vietnam!!!!!

It's now officially going south.

[saigon68]

38. BEEN THERE--DONE THAT

It's really IRAQNAM no jungle, otherwise the same war.

[54anickel]

21. Ya, I remember that thread. I was reaching for the tin foil, then

someone posted a link about training manuvers.....

[UpInArms]

35. If you need a

:tinfoilhat: I have found a supplier -

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2868609985

[54anickel]

56. ROFLMAO, that's great!

[shirlden]

109. Too funny

Did anyone invite that genius to join DU. He/she would fit right in here.

:toast:

[KAZ]

11. Josh Marshall on the Bremer call back.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

What's clear is that something is coming to a head over there and we look set to get a big dose of reality out of Iraq.

[underpants]

14. Oh pishaw they are dropping "love bombs" and "peace bombs"

That disperse love and peace over a larger aread than "love rifles" and "peace Bradleys" can.

[0007]

13. Are these the big moab mothers?

.....what are they dropping the bombs on? Do they have targets?

[TheLastMohican]

43. That's what I want to know too.

In order to drop such bombs on something there should be a target like drug factory or terrorist camp or Osama bin Laden stronghold with guns sticking in the air (pardon my sarcasm).

Just wasting 1 ton bombs by dropping them on the farming fields is a direct insult to all those hardworking, tax-paying individuals in US of A. Sorry for my rant.

[Bandit]

58. Actually it is their way of fixing the economy

More bombs dropped more bombs needed replacing which means more jobs. They must have had a bad production month and decided they need to use up some ordnance. You can't go to war against an idea so they bomb cow patties.

[0007]

94. Every time a bomb is dropped, another woody is produce...

in the Carlyle Cabal. Halliburton also feeds off this destruction like Linda Tripp feeds off of true Americans.

[aquart]

111. How much do these bombs cost apiece?

And who makes them?

[hang a left]

48. Civilians, who else is there?

[hang a left]

50. Civilians, who else is there?

[Drifter]

18. Just like Trent Lott suggested ...

Fucking level the place, and lets see what happens.

Cheers
Drifter

[Barrett808]

39. "Send Lott" petition

http://www.petitiononline.com/SendLott/petition.html

To: Senate of the United States of America

On 29 October 2003, Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) is reported to have suggested his final solution to the Iraq problem:

"We need to have a different mix of troops, is the key. We may need to move some troops around. Honestly, it’s a little tougher than I thought it was going to be. If we have to, we just mow the whole place down, see what happens. You’re dealing with insane suicide bombers who are killing our people, and we need to be very aggressive in taking them out." ("GOP unity is strained by attacks", by Geoff Earle, http://www.thehill.com/news/102903/gopunity.aspx)

We request that Senator Lott be sent immediately to Iraq to, in his own words, "mow the place down". Mr. Lott would bring the appropriate aggressiveness needed to stop "insane suicide bombers who are killing our people." It is clear that only Senator Lott understands the situation in Iraq, so it would be in America's best interest that the Senator go to Iraq immediately and clean it up.

We note that Senator Lott declined military service when he had the opportunity ("Chickenhawk Database", http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=%20NEWS%3B%20Chickenhawks), but with a few weeks of modern Army training, he should be prepared to patrol the streets of Fallujah and start mowing with gusto.



Sincerely,

The Undersigned

[hang a left]

67. No offense meant, but, I am tired of signing petitions and then

being told eff off, we will do what we want anyway.

[madrchsod]

19. urban renewal-

clearing the slums from the air, bring in the cats later.that`s the way the idf does it.

[markses]

22. Pathetic impotent rage of a giant

Lashing out wildly, blindy.

Or, doing something just to DO SOMETHING.

Truly a downward spiral.

[Cocoa]

42. war by tantrum

the way Nixon ran the doomed Vietnam war.

[Jacobin]

89. Bombing North Vietnam and Cambodia had the same effect:

Nada.
Zilch.
Nothing.
Zero.

[Brucey]

23. Spiralling into Iraqnam.

More bombs, that should bring liberation and democracy. I guess that's what the $87bn was for.

[hang a left]

52. How much more money are they gonna need to fix this effing

demolition?

[Don Claybrook]

25. Do they REALLY think this will help?

George Bush has all the tact and nuance of a drunken frat boy--sorry, I'm being redundant.

That great diplomat and statesman Trent Lott said to mow 'em all down, and by god, it looks like they've adopted his plan. But does the Administration really believe that this will cow the Iraqis into submission? I think that Bush really believes that overwhelming military force will trump any situation, and he couldn't be more wrong.

But what will we tell the children? Remember that annoying question from a few years back? Well, I guess we'll have no choice but to tell the children that, when dealing with adversity, if things get really frustrating and really difficult...drop large bombs. Resort to bullying and violence. Never admit you're wrong, just step up the violence. After all, the "enemy" is something less than human. That is the lesson being taught to our children.

This petulant, knee-jerk, sniveling and pathetic man isn't qualified to run a kiosk in a mall, let alone extricate us from an international mess of his own making. Shame on those who have enabled this destroyer; they have blood and mayhem on their hands.

[Sideways]

104. Yes Don They Do Think This Will Help

Their friends and buddies that deal in arms. As for children well just fuck them who cares what they think or feel or see. We hate kids is the GOP mantra. Why do you think they produce so many fucked up adults?

When the going gets tough the truly cowardly and wimpy SOBs cower behind force. This manly facade makes them believe they are powerful and omnipotent sadly they are just SO WRONG.

The Bush team needs to watch the Teletubbies and lay off the vodka and viagra.

Looks like the old V squared isn't producing the correct results.

George Bush isn't qualified to run a fucking pair of stockings!

[Maeve]

26. Has there been confirmation or link yet?

Not doubting the report--altho I hope it is wrong.
"Winning the hearts and minds" doesn't include blowing those hearts and minds across the landscape.

[gWbush is Mabus]

29. but what about the new enteurprenurial Coke stands...

won't they get demolished too?

[DancingBear]

27. I am truly sickened

I'm sure the French, Germans and Russians will send troops any day now.

How long before the Italians pull their troops out of the south, and the Red Cross and NATO pull all support personnel out?

We have a psychopath leading this nation down the path to ruin.

Is it OK for us to be angry now???????

[Lorien]

54. I'm extremely angry and saddened

by this action. These monsters keep bringing shame after shame to America, terror and death to the innocents. Isn't 22,000-55,000 civilians ENOUGH? THIS MUST END!

[nostamj]

62. How long before the Italians pull their troops ???

well, considering that 14 Italians were just killed, pretty soon I would guess..........

NASSIRIYA, Iraq (Reuters) - A car bomb ripped through an Italian military police base in the Iraqi town of Nassiriya Wednesday, killing at least 14 Italians and eight Iraqis in what appeared to be a fresh suicide attack.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20031112/wl_nm/iraq_dc

[phillybri]

28. That'll get 'em on our side!!!

:eyes:

[Walt Starr]

30. MISSION RESUMED!!!!

Looks like the Mission wasn't really accomplished!

[Beetwasher]

31. Democracy W Style!

And the bonus is, we get to rebuild again! More money for Halliburton!

[bushisanidiot]

32. Dr. Death Rummy Takes Lott's Advice. Time to mow the whole place

down.

"If we have to, we just mow the whole place down, see what happens. You’re dealing with insane suicide bombers who are killing our people, and we need to be very aggressive in taking them out.

~ Trent Lott "


Or, maybe they're just helping the iraqi's bomb saddam statues?

[hatrack]

34. Ironic that last week's talking point was "lack of intelligence" in Iraq

And here we see it in action - though in a different sense.

Pathetic.

[UpInArms]

41. I believe the lack of intelligence

has taken up residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

[Guaranteed]

82. Funny how we seemingly don't know who's who

but have no qualms with lobbing around 2,000lb bombs.

Lack of intelligence, meet bombing campaign. Genius.

[bushisanidiot]

36. What Will AWOL Wear To Mission Accomplished II? A Gladiator Outfit?

keep those cameras rolling guys! The chimp is now going to dismount his chariot!! oOOoooOoooOoOOoo!!

[Code_Name_D]

70. W said he wanted to drive a tank.

So he is going to ware an army uniform this time. Not sure how they are going to get the tank out to sea however.

[DancingBear]

40. Will anyone from * admin. confirm this?

Is FlyBoy expected to address the nation re: "Bombing For Democracy" anytime today?

[soleft]

44. I hope none land on one of those refurbished schools

Then where we would get our good news from?

[madrchsod]

45. this maybe the tribe those

2000 pounders are falling on, this is a great read on the copter shoot down
<http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1080989,00.html>

[54anickel]

72. Great read, the type of info they don't want us to have!

50,000 in his tribe alone. And they have taken credit for the Chinook, yet we keep getting told former Baathists, supporters of Saddam, foreign "jihadist" (who helped chimpy come up with that word anyway)

Winning the hearts and minds....

'Previously, I had a good view of American people,' said Adnan. 'But we have changed our mind after seeing the aggression - the soldiers in Falluja and Khaldiya are very aggressive.

'The people here do not do these attacks for no reason. If someone in their clan has been killed, they will take revenge.'

In the area around Falluja, the US army appears to be winning hearts and minds - for their enemy.

'The American army is our best friend,' a resistance fighter told us. 'We should be giving them medals.'

[SpiralHawk]

46. It's not just Iraq

This is the early stages of the massive Jihad which has risen to meet the Crusade. Same as it ever was.

But this, too, shall pass.


"The truly sacred answers to no dogma." - Kathelin Gray

[underpants]

49. This Wash.Post article says there is a "rebellion" going on there

See the LBN thread US Seeks a Faster Trasition in Iraq

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28318-2003Nov11.html

Some council members, in turn, have contended that the failure of the U.S.-led occupation to give them greater authority in running Iraq's affairs, particularly in security, made it difficult to put down a rebellion in an arc of territory running north and west of Baghdad. That lack of security has made their task more difficult. Some on the council are pressing the occupation authority to grant it the status of a provisional government, a step they contend would bring greater stability.

[Aidoneus]

53. just like old times

The British said they "came not as conquerers, but as liberators!", yet still broke out the RAF & the first chemical bombardment of Iraq when the natives didn't accept their quisling puppet to dominate the place.

The fucking idiots learn nothing, and deserve to fail.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

57. must be "total press blackout" the MSNBC guy was gone after break

and not a word since...although they did report that "Bremer is meeting with the War Council and that bush is fustrated about developments in Iraq"

[underpants]

59. Let's see this would be the THIRD re-do, right?

Jay Garner was in there for what? Two weeks?

HE got booted to bring in the consultant Bremer ( he consults with firms to shwo them how to make the most money possible)

NOw we have a panicky re-do under Bremmer.

[hatrack]

113. Has anyone told these guys it isn't a golf game?

You don't get mulligans when you invade and occupy other countries.

[gbwarming]

63. It was too early - 5:30pm local when this story surfaced

I'm a little skeptical about this being a major bombing campaign if it started so early.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

61. they just said it again "US has dropped 2,000 lb bombs on Iraq"

[hang a left]

71. Al Jazeera has nothing yet.

[Cat Atomic]

64. "New Bomb Capable of Creating 5,000 Terrorists in a Single Blast"

To quote The Onion.

[henslee]

66. Tommy Franks, I want my money back. This war aint won.

[kentuck]

68. Where were they dropped?

Were they dropped close to Bremer's HQ's? Sort of like bombing to clean out the surrounding jungle? Make 'em move back a little so he can still sleep in Saddam's mansion...

[underpants]

69. On the ground

:bounce:

[Nlighten1]

73. "liberation by carpet bombing"

Way to go

[truthspeaker]

83. "liberation by carpet bombing"

"Well it would have worked in Vietnam if those commie-funded hippies hadn't been protesting at home." </neoconthink>

[Ouabache]

106. Carpet Bombers for Christ

Carpet Bombers for Christ

[MostlyBlackCat2]

74. Link anyone? Anybody got a link here? n/t

.

[DoYouEverWonder]

81. Sanchez announced the restart of bombing yesterday

Reuters

Rockets Hit Baghdad as U.S. Vows to Get Tough
Tue November 11, 2003

"The most important message is that we're going to get pretty tough," said Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, whose forces have unleashed air bombing for the first time since Bush declared major combat over on May 1.

"That's what's necessary to defeat this enemy and we're definitely not shy about doing that," Sanchez told a news briefing.

Washington blames die-hard supporters of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and foreign guerrillas for the attacks.

"Not a single tool that we have available would be spared if necessary to defeat that enemy," Sanchez said. "Although the coalition can be benevolent, this is still the same lethal formation that removed the former oppressive regime."


Of course there is no mention as to where they might be dropping these 2000 lb bombs that they think are necessary in order to defeat the enemy. So much for liberation.

[shirlden]

112. I am soooooo confused

I thought Saddam was our enemy and the Eyeracki people were just some poor dupes who needed liberating. Now those Eyeracki folks have become our enemy.........is this right? Scratching head and going hmmmmmmmm.

:think:

[hang a left]

84. I keep looking at al jazeera, they have nothing, their cover story

is the car bomb on the Italians that has killed 25.

[Fovea]

75. Looks like we are going to have to distroy Iraq

In order to save it.

It just seems like a some kind of horrible
Role Playing version of Avalon Hill's 'Rommel' for kids.

May we please have the adulterers and
oral sex enthusiasts back in the WH?
At least the *word* 'adult' would be back in charge.

[janx]

78. Bremer just stated on CNN that there is a "low intensity conflict"

going on in Iraq. I wonder if that includes the bombing.

[54anickel]

80. Lots of things he wouldn't elaborate on....

Sounds like we are getting ready to cut and run. All this info leaking out of Iraq is hurting Shrubs polls.

[MetaTrope]

88. It's sad when the indiscriminate murder of civilians has to be "leaked"

:grr:

[janx]

108. That's what I was thinking too. It sounds as if they're

planning a way to get out now.

[Zero Gravitas]

99. Bremmer?

So hasn't been sent into exile on some very small island in Lake Michigan yet?

[RedEarth]

86. I find it amazing that bush thinks this will increase stability in Iraq

All this will do is increase hostility towards the US and the troops in Iraq. To think that a country can bomb another country into agreeing with your beliefs is totally foolish. This whole Iraq situation is just one huge nightmare. Truly tragic.

[Junkdrawer]

87. I've been Googling - 2,000 lb bomb may be JDAM satellite smart bombs...

They are often dropped by B-1Bs, B-52s, and B2s:

The air power being assembled in the region includes the B-2 Stealth bomber and the F-117 Stealth fighter. The Pentagon has also sent into the region B-1B and B-52 long-range strategic bombers, each capable of flying long missions and dropping as many as a dozen 2,000-pound satellite-guided JDAM bombs that are likely to be used to target key Iraqi defense installations and communications links.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030124-air01.htm


Tech Details:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/jdam.htm

[ElsewheresDaughter]

90. junkdrawer that's it "JDAM" was mentioned on MSNBC this morning

[DancingBear]

93. This of course begs the question

Exactly what is left in Iraq that requires the use of a "smart bomb." Am I mistaken in believing that this weapon is/was used to attack KNOWN enemy military targets? And I'm to believe there are still some left?

Gotta go wait for the Tooth Fairy now...

[Junkdrawer]

96. AND it's used when you think you have a target, but don't want...

to endanger troops getting to the target. If you're in "firm control" of a country, yet you need to use JDAMs to do your fighting...

[kayell]

91. 2 1/2 hours and still no links?!

What is going on with our media? What happens if a bomb falls in a city and no one reports it?

[LittleApple81]

95. I guess if no one reports it, it did not happen? I was wondering about

no links too...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

97. Pentagon ordered "complete press black out" the other day

i don't believe any (thruthful) news will be coming out of Iraq...reporters are afraid of being ahem...targeted or arrested imho

[tabasco]

98. satire

This just in. British Colonial Army announces get-tough policy with American rebels. British commanders, tired of rebel colonists brutal and unfair "hide in the weeds" tactics, announced a new strategy to deter the rebel attacks. Strict martial law has been declared in Boston and Philadelphia, hotbeds of rebel activity. Captured rebels will be summarily executed. The King has authorized deployment of more naval forces to enforce the blockade of American port cities. A Colonial Army spokesman stated that major offensives will be launched by ground forces to locate and destroy the rebel army and it's commander, George Washington. The bold military moves are hoped to end the rebellion and restore peace to the American colony.

[gasperc]

105. So will this go down in history as the November massacre

i.e. Nixon's massive bombing of Vietnam the day after Christmas 1970

[tom_paine]

110. Since no one will hear of it, it never happened

And thus won't go down in Imperial history books at all.

Imperial Amerikan history is rapidly becoming as one with Soviet history: Nothing but lies.

[Name removed]

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[jokerman93]

115. This Is Just Priceless

two weeks ago the administration admitted they didn't know who the enemy "terrorists" are.

Now we're dropping 2,00 lbs bombs. Isn't this the old "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" strategy?

As an after thought, I wonder how these Chosen-by-God crusaders are rationalizing the continuing massive failures of their campaign. Does W lie awake at night praying? Does he think God is only testing him and if he just keeps "staying the course", God will justify his faith with a grand victory and a permanent presidency?

I'm continually outraged and nauseated by everything this administration has done to my country and to the world.

When will the thousands dead, maimed and robbed blind get their justice?

If this bastard Bush gets away with this, I'll be ready to take it to the streets.

This is NOT America.