Convicted Spy Pollard Loses His Appeals

[Loonman]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=11&u=/ap/20031113/ap_on_re_us/jonathan_pollard_5

[Patriot_Spear]

1. So sad, too bad...

How does the song go? 'If you can't do the time, don't do the crime...'

[dfong63]

2. someday, a misguided president will pardon him

bet on it. Israel, not content with billions of dollars in US aid per year, continually insists that this sleazy traitor who betrayed the US, is actually a hero.

[Patriot_Spear]

4. I can think of one way to deal with a traitor permanently...

...and I'd like to remind the naysayers that he freely admitted his crimes.

Pollard, Ames, Hanssen, etc. cashier the whole lot as far as I'm concerned.

[Copperred]

14. Not a chance unless there is a rupture....

it would happen only when the US and Israel part ways....

So..if u see that happening......yes he will get pardoned....

[markses]

3. Poor Jonathan Pollard!

Boo hoo for the fucking traitor. Here's the great line in the article:

"A 1998 U.S.-brokered peace accord between Israel and the Palestinians nearly foundered when then-Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly linked his agreement to the deal with clemency for Pollard."

An international agreement on peace in Israel Palestine linked to clemency for a two-bit traitorous scumbag? Makes ya wonder why they want him out so bad. Fucking shitbirds.

[Wwagsthedog]

5. Remember the Liberty!

n/t

[nolabels]

6. This guy is in jail more for politcal reasons than anything he ever did

In the article they state that a he gave them what amounts to walk in size closet amount of papers. He gave them more than that, he gave them what Isreal probably used to tell the * squaters that 9/11 was comming ( but most are sure * and some of the pose already knew) What I think might be the big deal about it is that it can be used to figure out how some of these secret teams use the covers of eachs others countries to get around laws from the countries they are in.

The Saud-Isreal-USA connection which also mostly revolves around money. Could anyone imagine some the stuff that could be done with such, working in particular places under specific people.

This is just one more reason such a tight lid is kept on 9/11 investigations. My guess is a few others have some papers on it that others don't want to talk about.

[mobuto]

10. You think that Pollard, in the mid-80s

knew about the unimpending attack on the WTC?

The Saud-Isreal-USA connection which also mostly revolves around money.

Saudi Arabia and Israel are working together?

[nolabels]

12. Well wasn't he the guy that gave them that promis software?

Maybe I have him mixed up with another Israili spy they have locked up. There is link on DU somewhere that gives a glimmer of it, I will see if I can find it.

[nolabels]

13. Sorry, wrong group of spooks but you can bet they have a copy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=377323
Kissinger & BCCI spells BUSH & 9-11
From post#
24. Understanding that they might be one step ahead at certain times

It is easy to see that the Bin Laden character was home grown at the very least (something they will never come clean on, surely).
Anyone that has worked with computer software knows it is the user or network using it that make it hum and buzz. Never the less there are some implications in this story. The links at the bottom have a lot of details too

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/magic_carpet.html

Bin Laden's Magic Carpet - Secret U.S. PROMIS Software

FBI/Justice Claims of Discontinued Use Leave Questions Unanswered

FTW, October 26, 2001 - 1300 PDT (UPDATED Nov. 16, 2001) - An October 16 FOX News report by correspondent Carl Cameron indicating that convicted spy, former FBI Agent Robert Hanssen, had provided a highly secret computer software program called Promis to Russian organized crime figures - who in turn reportedly sold it to Osama bin Laden - may signal a potential intelligence disaster for the United States. Admissions by the FBI and Justice in the FOX story that they have discontinued use of the software are most certainly a legal disaster for a government that has been engaged in a 16-year battle with the software's creator, William Hamilton, CEO of the Inslaw Corporation. Over those 16 years, in response to lawsuits filed by Hamilton charging that the government had stolen the software from Inslaw, the FBI, the CIA and the Department of Justice have denied, in court and under oath, ever using the software.

Bin Laden's reported possession of Promis software was clearly reported in a June 15, 2001 story by Washington Times reporter Jerry Seper. That story went unnoticed by the major media. In it Seper wrote, "The software delivered to the Russian handlers and later sent to bin Laden, according to sources, is believed to be an upgraded version of a program known as Promis - developed in the 1980s by a Washington firm, Inslaw, Inc., to give attorneys the ability to keep tabs on their caseloads. It would give bin Laden the ability to monitor U.S. efforts to track him down, federal law-enforcement officials say. It also gives him access to databases on specific targets of his choosing and the ability to monitor electronic-banking transactions, easing money-laundering operations for himself or others, according to sources."

In a series of excellent stories by The Times, and as confirmed by parts of the FOX broadcast, it appears that Hanssen, who was arrested in February, in order to escape the death penalty this summer, agreed to provide the FBI and other intelligence agencies with a full accounting of his sale of Promis overseas. Reports state that almost until the moment of his capture, Hanssen was charged with "repairing" and upgrading versions of the software used by Britain and Germany.

On October 17, two different spokespersons at the FBI's Office of Public Affairs told FTW, "The FBI has discontinued use of the Promis software." The spokespersons declined to give their names.
(snip)

Also there is some good background links here on this thread

Connect the Dots, America!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=133055
(snip)

You ask what does it matter about them connections
Read this, figure it out and then tell me how smart * is compared to poppy

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3533532&thesection=news&thesubsection=dialogue

Robert Fisk: Frightening winds swirl around the House of Saud

11.11.2003
COMMENT
Osama bin Laden has an awful lot of friends in Saudi Arabia. In the mosque, among the disenchanted youth, among the security forces, even - and this is what the West declines to discuss - within the royal family.

Saudi ambassadors routinely dismiss these facts as "unfounded", but Sunday's attack in the capital, Riyadh, is part of a growing insurrection against Bin Laden's enemies in the House of Saud.

Whether or not the bombers were Saudi security force members - they were certainly wearing Saudi military uniforms - the Riyadh Government's own "war on terror" is now provoking bombings, gun battles and killings almost every day in the kingdom.

The enemies of the House of Saud want to make the kingdom ungovernable - just as America's enemies in Iraq want to make its occupation ineffective. Iraqis are still the principal victims of the bombings in Baghdad, just as Saudis were the principal victims on Sunday.
(snip)

[David__77]

7. Why should this spy be pardoned?

Why him any more than any run-of-the-mill spy? It's not as if he somehow valued national security, or why would he funnel information to the Mossad with its links to the KGB?

[Patriot_Spear]

8. Mossad and KGB- are you on crack?

I need a link on that one- fur sure.

[BlackFrancis]

9. no one knows what he did

The court records are sealed but the back channel says that he stole nuclear attack plans and that Israel dealt them out to the Soviet Union to allow Soviet Jews to emmigrate to Israel more liberaly.

[nolabels]

11. I hate when people ask questions I don't want to find out about

http://www.infoukes.com/lists/politics/1999/12/0465.html

Maariv Publisher Nimrodi Accused of Murder - Maxwell -Mossad - KGB - Gusinsky -Daily Telegraph 27Dec99

In the book, "Gideon's Spies: The Secret History of the Mossad", author
Gordon Thomas writes about how in 1984 the Israeli Mossad recruited Robert
Maxwell, the powerful press baron and publisher of the Daily Mirror in
Britain. In one chapter about Maxwell he includes players such as the
Mossad's director general, Nahuam Admoni and agent Ari Ben-Menashe.
Maxwell's high-level contacts in Eastern Europe and elsewhere, were useful
for the Mossad to exploit. In one March 1985 meeting at the Mirror
Newspapers headquarters in London, Mossad agent Maxwell ("sayan") arranged
for a meeting between Admoni, Ben-Menashe and the vice chairman of the KGB,
Viktor Chebrikov. The agenda was a scheme to launder an initial $450
million U.S. (a billion to follow) from the ORA profits on the sale of U.S.
arms to Iran (later known as the Iran-Contra Affair), by transferring the
funds from Credit Suisse to the Bank of Budapest in Hungary. That bank
would then disburse the funds to other banks in the Soviet bloc. The KGB
chief was to
ensure the funds safety in the Soviet bloc, and Maxwell was to earn an $8
million fee for brokering the deal. Maxwell was the Mossad's "high-level
Mr. Fixit." The Mossad had created the ORA as a central holding company to
process the billions of dollars involved in the purchasing and selling-on
of arms. For example, in 1987, Iran's Ayatollah Rafsanjani received a cable
from ORA wrt the sale to Iran of 4,000 TOW missiles, costing $13,800 each.
The cable concluded with signing authority for Nicholas Davies. Davies ran
the foreign operations for ORA while being the foreign editor for the Daily
Mirror. This all occurred before the break-up of the USSR. The Cold War was
not to get in the way of money-laundering from profits of international
arms deals with "rogue" countries.


The Nimrodi family bought the Maariv newspaper in 1992 from the estate of
Robert Maxwell, after the tycoon's mysterious death. Yaacov Nimrodi made a
fortune selling arms to the Shah of Iran, and built up one of Israel's
biggest empires, based on the Israel Land Development Corp. While Yaacov
Nimrodi
was an Israeli military attache in Iran during the 1960s, he recruited
Iranian Jews and military officials to the Mossad. In 1998, 25% of the
shares of Maariv were purchased by the Russian mafia oligarch, Vladimir
Gusinsky (currently a co-owner of Studio 1 Plus 1 in Ukraine). Below is an
article on the son of Yaacov Nimrodi, Ofer Nimrodi, and his indictment for
conspiracy to commit murder, in the ongoing Israeli media wars. Ofer
Nimrodi is a graduate of the Harvard Business School.
(snip)

Suprise, it's all about the money, again

[Loonman]

15. Pollard was a spy and he broke the law

It doesn't matter if he gave that info to the Eskimoes.

He gave sensitive information to people not authorized to see it or possess it or pass it to another individual or government.




Israel does not act in our interests, folks, although we act in theirs.

They act in their interests, and would sell us out in a heartbeat.


Remember the Liberty.