Austin 10 Commandments Will Stay

[Judi Lynn]

Austin 10 Commandments Will Stay
LAST UPDATE: 11/13/2003 4:38:26 PM
Posted By: Andrea Rigsby

(Austin-AP) -- Thou shalt not move the Ten Commandments.

A federal court has upheld a state decision to allow a six-foot-tall monument displaying the Ten Commandments to remain on the Texas Capitol grounds. (snip/...)

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=3B4FA129-471D-4D10-9087-BD2B6473CB70




http://www.austindailyherald.com/articles/2003/08/30/news/news2.txt

How many Ten Commandments monuments ARE THERE in Austin? The first is at the U. of Texas, the second is at the Mower County Courthouse:What the hey? I'd stay to see if anyone answers this post, but I've got to go polish the Ten Commandments monument in my front yard.

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Nov. 13, 2003, 3:49PM

Austin man to continue 10 Commandments fight
By POLLY ROSS HUGHES
Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle Austin Bureau
AUSTIN -- An Austin man said today he will ask the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn a ruling by a federal appeals court that allows a Ten Commandments monument to remain on State Capitol grounds.

In a ruling late Wednesday, the U.S. 5th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the placement of the monument on capitol grounds, arguing that its context and purpose do not violate the U.S. Constitution.

Thomas Van Orden, the Austin man who brought the legal challenge to the monument as a citizen, predicted the high court will hear the Texas case.

He said it represents a clear split with other federal appeals courts over the issue of a religious monument's context when determining whether it violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

"The light will be burning late in my tent tonight!" said Van Orden, a former attorney who became homeless and has pressed the case on limited funds. (snip/...)

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2220513

[Bandit]

1. I suppose a lot depends on how long they've been there

If I'm not mistaken the one in Alabama was only put there a couple of years ago as a deliberate challenge to the constitution. If these have been there for a decade or so I suspect they will be allowed to stay. I just can't figure why Christians find it necessary to shove their religion down everyone's throats. If they wish to display their beliefs on Church property or their own personal property fine. When they wish to force their religion onto our property then they are wrong. Government property is our property why don't they understand that. I guess we should put some satanic stuff on church property to make up for it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

4. I guess you could also say that while the Alabama monument was indoors...

...and in the direct path of anyone walking into the courthouse, the Austin monument could be considered to be less obtrusive because of the location outside the buliding and not in the direct flow of foot-traffic. Just a guess.

But, I'm with you on this...why are these people trying to force their brand of religion down everyone else's throat?

[Gman]

15. I don't remember those 10 Commandments not being at the capital

in Austin.

It's not conspicuous like the one in Montgomery. For that reason, I'd say the SCOTUS upholds them being there. There not shoved in your face like in Montgomery.

[NoPasaran]

21. It's on the northern side

Between the capitol and the Reagan building

[Fleshdancer]

2. It's all fun and games...

...until you try to put a Pagan symbol on capital grounds.

[donotpassgo]

23. like a Christmas Tree or the Easter Bunny or the 'Virgin Mary'?

or the notion of Christ being born Dec 25th AD

[Grover]

3. Those are two Austin's

One in TX, and the other in MN.

[Walt Starr]

5. Cool, I'll petition them to get my holy symbol there

And I can think of no holier symol than The Goddess and The God engaged in coitus.

[starroute]

7. Don't forget some suitable text

how about

An It Harm None, Do What You Will

or maybe

Do What Thou Wilt shall be the Whole of the Law

[Walt Starr]

12. I prefer the rede

I don't really dig Crowley, so .....

"An' it harm none, do as thou will."

[Bridget Burke]

22. Like this one?

Let's check with some folk in Austin about its erection.

[JNelson6563]

6. then they won't mind if I put up a little

display of my own:

1. Trust good character more than promises.
2. Do not speak falsely.
3. Do good things.
4. Do not be hasty in making friends, but do not abandon them once made.
5. Learn to obey before you command.
6. When giving advice, do not recommend what is most pleasing, but what is most useful.
7. Make reason your supreme commander.
8. Do not associate with people who do bad things.
9. Honor the gods.
10. Have regard for your parents.

Unlike the Commandments of Moses, none of these is outdated or antithetical to modern moral or political thought. Every one could be taken up by anyone today, of any creed--except perhaps only one. And indeed, there is something much more profound in these commandments. They are far more useful as precepts for living one's life. Can society, can government, prevail and prosper if we fail to uphold the First Commandment of Moses? By our own written declaration of religious liberty for all, we have staked our entire national destiny on the belief that we not only can get by without it, but we ought to abolish it entirely. Yet what if we were to fail to uphold Solon's first commandment? The danger to society would be clear--indeed, doesn't this commandment speak to the heart of what makes or breaks a democratic society? Isn't it absolutely fundamental that we not trust the promises of politicians and flatterers, but elect our leaders and choose our friends instead by taking the trouble to evaluate the goodness of their character? This, then, can truly be said to be an ideal that is fundamental to modern moral and political thought.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/features/2000/carrier2.html

Julie

[xchrom]

8. amazing

the level of ignorance that some of our fellow citizens exhibit when it comes to the seperation of church and state.
but i have to give them credit for the energy and stamina they put into their causes.

[54anickel]

9. Check out this link......

I used to think the same as some of the earlier poster here, how long have they been up, what harm can they do, etc. Then I kept finding this type of crap, the latest from Phelps.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2091054/

Cities are hardly obligated to let private groups build monuments in public parks, so ordinarily it would be easy to get rid of Phelps. But since 1965, Casper Central Park has been home to a granite replica of the Ten Commandments donated by the local Fraternal Order of Eagles. That poses a problem for Casper, because if a city wants to open up its property to the messages of private religious groups, it had better be prepared to welcome all of them, however unfortunate.

[DemoTex]

10. Nothing like consistent national policy and judiciary interpretation.

Read Article 1, Meathead!

[54anickel]

11. Slide show on this site shows 13 Ten commandment monuments

from around the country. Midway down the article, where it says Click here to see the slide show.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2075577/

[Gin]

13. They will keep putting them up...until the words sink into their heads.

and hearts....That will be a cold day in hell so...Me thinks there will be 10 commandments on every corner.

[NoPasaran]

14. Some would say

That an admonition not to steal is not totally out of place on our Capitol grounds. ;-)

[Bandit]

20. I would say they are stealing our public property for their private use

This is theft. What if I parked my moterhome on city property? How long would I be allowed to stay there? The property belongs to all not just the religious. They are stealing that four feet of land for private use. Theft is theft no matter how you cut it.

[TexasPatriot]

16. i suggest

we put up a different Deuteronomy monument...

Deuteronomy 17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
Deuteronomy 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
Deuteronomy 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
Deuteronomy 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

right across from the courthouse.... make sure everyone realizes it's an "instrument of law" - maybe put a little ornamental pile of stones at the base.

just a thought

[leesa]

17. Those bloody assholes should actually READ their graven image once

It's always the people who break the MOST commandments who want to self-righteously post them. Whatever happend to Christian humility?

[hippiechick]

19. OMG ! I was gonna say the same thing !!

:toast: ROCK ON !!


:hippie:

[Grins]

18. Jesus!

When I first saw the picture - I thought it was a tombstone in a graveyard!