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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 11:58 AM
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Deal on 9/11 Briefings Lets White House Edit Papers
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1114-05.htm


WASHINGTON, Nov. 13 — The commission investigating the Sept. 11 terror
attacks said on Thursday that its deal with the White House for access to highly
classified Oval Office intelligence reports would let the White House edit the
documents before they were released to the commission's representatives.

The agreement, announced on Wednesday, has led to the first public split on the
commission. Two Democrats on the 10-member panel say that the commission
should have demanded full access to the intelligence summaries, known as the
President's Daily Brief, and that the White House should not be allowed to
determine what is relevant to the investigation.

An umbrella group of victims' families joined the criticism, saying the terms of the
accord should be public.

While spokesmen for panel refused again to provide the terms, citing the sensitivity
of the talks with the White House, its executive director acknowledged that the
White House would be able to remove information from the reports unrelated to Al
Qaeda and to the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:00 PM
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1. Why?
Why did they compromise? This is no deal; it's a sham.
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Insider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:00 PM
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2. first response
:puke:
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:04 PM
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3. The regime has decreed that the 911 events not be looked at too closely

The majority of the voting classes feel that "evildoers who hate freedom" is all the explanation necessary.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:06 PM
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4. So, what are we going to do about this? They have gotten away
WITH EVERYTHING: Stealing the presidency, Wilson's wife's outing, lies about the war, ecology, business deals for Halliburton, etc. etc. etc. There are so many I cannot list them all....
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:09 PM
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5. Good article -- also see current GD thread
with links to NY Times, SF Chronicle and email, fax, phone numbers for the Commission.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=708923
Urgent Action! 9/11 Commish Cleland says "Bush Scamming America"
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:21 PM
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6. Would it be possible...
...for a grassroots group, or a group such as MoveOn.org to raise the funds to hire an independent prosecutor to investigate with an eye toward impeachment? It would cost a lot of $$$, but could it be a reasonable thing to do?
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:45 PM
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11. That's not so farfetched
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 01:16 PM by sierra_moon
Did you read about the new effort by MoveOn and George Soros?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/991865.asp

<snip>
Billionaire Soros
takes on Bush
“IT IS THE central focus of my life,” Soros said, his blue eyes settled on an unseen target. The 2004 presidential race, he said in an interview, is “a matter of life and death.”
Soros, who has financed efforts to promote open societies in more than 50 countries around the world, is bringing the fight home, he said. On Monday, he and a partner committed up to $5 million to MoveOn.org, a liberal activist group, bringing to $15.5 million the total of his personal contributions to oust Bush.

‘A DANGER TO THE WORLD’
Overnight, Soros, 74, has become the major financial player of the left. He has elicited cries of foul play from the right. And with a tight nod, he pledged: “If necessary, I would give more money.”

</snip>

And this is from an e-mail I received from Moveon.org.
<snip>
Today, George Soros and Peter Lewis, two of the country's leading philanthropists, have announced their strong support of our effort. They've pledged to match every dollar given by those of us in the grassroots with 50 cents of their own. In other words, if we raise $10 million, they'll put in another $5 million.
</snip>

Here are the sites to contribute:
By credit card:
https://www.moveonvoterfund.org/donate/creditcard.html?id=2110-623944-WQSncsgSU58m.RaZVkE3.Q

By check:
https://www.moveonvoterfund.org/donate/check.html?id=2110-623944-WQSncsgSU58m.RaZVkE3.Q

I did! I think this has real possibility, and we all know it will take beaucoup bucks.

s_m








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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:50 PM
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13. Thanks, sierra_moon
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 12:53 PM by Angel_O_Peace
I have signed every petition for impeachment, including the one at www.impeachbush.org, and contributed money to all you mentioned. I hope moveon.org is able to do more than have damning TV ads. Someone needs to cut this regime off at the knees, even if they all suffer the consequences of their choices and actions somewhere on down the road after the bastards are kicked out of power...am still leary that the next election will be a total fiasco, and that we'll be in for another four years of absolute insanity. BushCo and the PNAC are the most frightening groups of people to be in power since Mussolini and Hitler.
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Sibanetta Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 02:19 AM
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22. Is Bush the Anti-Christ?
Seruoudly...and I haven't done religion per se for many years, but this guy scares me to death...he is evil incarnate! I finally got down my dusty ol' bible...go read Revelations...they talk about the guy who says he's all for peace, and that all the Churchers love him, but he actually the one who will bring on Armagaeddon.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 11:45 AM
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28. Soros knew too.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:23 PM
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7. so much for Congressional oversight
God save the King.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:33 PM
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8. WTF????WTF?!?
edited?!? this is giving the commision a chasnce to read the briefings???THIS IS ABSURD! what are the Bushavics so afraid of letting them see?????????

but of course WE know what they are afraid of.
Bush ignored the CLEAR warnings and LET 9/11 HAPPEN. and he can't let anybody know.
HE MESSED UP! HIS MALADMINISTRATION FUBARed.
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knowledgeispower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:44 PM
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10. Complicity or just plain stupidity?
Personally I subscribe to the former, but either way it will be a death blow to the BFEE if this ever gets the sort of attention it should.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:40 PM
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9. This just makes me totally sick...
I emailed each and every network/news organization/program/commentator/anchorperson I could find about this issue, and will continue to do so daily until I start hearing about this travesty of justice -
Forget Peterson, Rosie, Kobe and the other Distractions du Jour...
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:46 PM
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12. This proves
TREASON.

There is no other reason for this cover up other than the fact that BUSH KNEW and let it happen.

To Cover this up is TREASON and should be prosecuted.

Check out this paragraph:

"Administration officials have acknowledged that they are concerned that intelligence reports received by Mr. Bush in the weeks before 9/11 might be construed to suggest that the White House failed to respond to evidence suggesting that Al Qaeda was planning a catastrophic attack. The White House acknowledged last year in response to news reports that a copy of the Daily Brief in August 2001 noted that Al Qaeda might use hijacked planes in an attack."

BUSH KNEW.
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monobrau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 02:10 AM
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20. but...but
but Condi said No one could have imagined... you know.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:06 PM
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14. I wonder what that daily brief is really like...
In my mind, I imagine something like this:

See Saddam.
Saddam is an evil, evil man.
See little George bomb.
Little George is bombing the evil, evil man.
Little George happy now.
Little George has lots of oil.

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:59 PM
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15. Kristin Breitweiser...
...should be elected to Congress.

Now, whose cage shall we rattle over this?

Perhaps Richard ben-Veniste?

rben-veniste@mayerbrownrowe.com
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:36 PM
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16. Imagine if they'd let Clinton edit Monica's dress n/t
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:00 PM
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17. WTF, is all
I can think of to say. I can't believe the crimes they have been allowed to get away with.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 11:48 PM
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18. I STILL can not believe this.
:kick:
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:18 AM
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19. Bush Knew!
How can "We The People" vote Bush out of office when Republicans own, manufacture and program the damned voting machines?!
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 02:12 AM
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21. In the immortal words of Garry Trudeau: "That's guilty, guilty, guilty!"
These people are guilty, it's just a matter of what. Even to the most charitable viewer, they're hiding things.

Also on the guilty list is whoever acquiesced to this "deal": why don't they just wear a Bush lapel pin and bring out their pom-poms? This is RIDICULOUS. This isn't a commission, it's a public relations exercise.
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 10:22 AM
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23. Excellent cartoon sums it up:
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 11:06 AM
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24. IF you had a liberal press...this would be a "watergate" scandal
But we know that the tough questions into any of 911 are covered, ignored for a greater agenda....

The truth would infuriate, suprise many Americans and they would throw these bums out on the street..if not worse.

And we ask ...why don't they allow full disclosure?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 11:53 AM
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29. if we had a REAL press this would blow watergate away
doesn't need to be liberal, the facts speak for themselves.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:20 PM
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32. You're SO right.
Did anyone see a word about this in their papers, I didn't. Was this even mentioned on the network or cable "news", I don't watch it?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 11:11 AM
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25. Truth is the first victim then. It should be unedited.
Wake up already and just say NO.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 11:42 AM
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26. That means the investigation is not worth a cup of warm spit....
They may as well shut it down and go home.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 11:44 AM
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27. They are admiting their Guilt!
this is enough proof for me to believe that they knew it would happen and let it happen in order to gain more control.


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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 11:55 AM
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30. agreed
time to move on to proving MIHOP.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 11:59 AM
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31. What else are they hiding? I see PNAC all over this crap
"An entire P.D.B. will have articles about China, South Africa, Venezuela," the executive director, Philip D. Zelikow, said in an interview. "The notion that the commission should want to read P.D.B. articles that have nothing to do with Al Qaeda would be a novel suggestion. The commission has not asked to see the country's most sensitive intelligence information on China or North Korea."

"The President's Daily Brief can run 9 to 12 pages long," Mr. Roemer said. "But under this agreement, the commission will be allowed to see only specific articles or paragraphs within the P.D.B.'s. Our members may see only two or three paragraphs out of a nine-page report."

:wtf:
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