'Shoot-to-kill' demand by US

[Khephra]

'Shoot-to-kill' demand by US

Martin Bright, home affairs editor
Sunday November 16, 2003
The Observer

Home Secretary David Blunkett has refused to grant diplomatic immunity to armed American special agents and snipers travelling to Britain as part of President Bush's entourage this week.

In the case of the accidental shooting of a protester, the Americans in Bush's protection squad will face justice in a British court as would any other visitor, the Home Office has confirmed.

The issue of immunity is one of a series of extraordinary US demands turned down by Ministers and Downing Street during preparations for the Bush visit.

These included the closure of the Tube network, the use of US air force planes and helicopters and the shipping in of battlefield weaponry to use against rioters.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1086414,00.html

[IndianaGreen]

1. Are the Bush people invading Britain? These are insane demands!

I cannot imagine a visiting foreign dignitary making such demands of an American President, and the American people will not stand for it.

Nazis!

[LittleApple81]

2. You never heard about his African trip, then? They cut

hundred-year-old trees, rounded up the population of the island (where he went to visit the exit point for the slaves) and put them in a compound, and stopped all activity while he was around.

[NNN0LHI]

10. Tore down peoples houses too, so as not to create an eyesore for Junior

[Lorien]

5. It does indeed sound like it

battlefeild equipment to use against protestors? Shuting down the TUBE? Can anyone here imagine a foreign dignitary demanding that the NY subway system be shut down for a photo op? This is outrageous!

And to think of the RW uproar over Clinton's $200 haircut! :eyes:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

6. Didn't read the fine print in the PNAC bible? UK is a terrorist country!

Of course, they don't know this yet, but they must submit to the mandatory regime change and search for WMDs.

Hey, those are the PNAC rules, limeys. Bring it on, or get over it.

[BeHereNow]

22. I am afraid you are wrong...

and that is our problem.
The American people will not even blink.
They will tune out and turn on the Kobe /Peterson / Car Chase TV
stories and slurp their starbuck coffee.
This is why there is no hope.
I have NO hope at this point.
BHN

[bicentennial_baby]

3. OMG!

"The Americans had also wanted to travel with a piece of military hardware called a 'mini-gun', which usually forms part of the mobile armoury in the presidential cavalcade. It is fired from a tank and can kill dozens of people. One manufacturer's description reads: 'Due to the small calibre of the round, the mini-gun can be used practically anywhere. This is especially helpful during peacekeeping deployments.'

Ministers have made clear to Washington that the firepower of the mini-gun will not be available during the state visit to Britain."

[NickB79]

15. Mini-guns? Jesus Christ!!!

A mini-gun can fire at a cyclical rate of up to 60 rounds PER SECOND (as compared to the ~10-12 rd per sec. of the M-16). A one-minute burst can literally put thousands of rounds in the air. You could kill and wound hundreds with a single 5-sec. burst.

"especially helpful during peacekeeping deployments" my ass!! Here's an idea: how bout we deploy a nuclear warhead before Bush lands, just to be safe? Sure, he'd have to wear that bulky suit for protection, but you can never be too safe when the life of Emperor Bush is concerned, right?

[BloodyWilliam]

37. This isn't Unreal Tournament! Holy fucking crap!

Miniguns... I can't think of any reasonable nonlethal use for one. For those who aren't gaming fanatics, miniguns are very very very VERY fast small-caliber gatling guns. They shred things. With their small bullets. Their many many small bullets.

These bastards scare the fuck out of me more and more every day.

[IndianaGreen]

4. Bush wants to use a "mini-gun" that can kill dozens of people at a time

The Americans had also wanted to travel with a piece of military hardware called a 'mini-gun', which usually forms part of the mobile armoury in the presidential cavalcade. It is fired from a tank and can kill dozens of people. One manufacturer's description reads: 'Due to the small calibre of the round, the mini-gun can be used practically anywhere. This is especially helpful during peacekeeping deployments.'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1086414,00.html

What a murderous bastard we have in the White House!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

8. Here's a website on miniguns...

<http://www.montysminiguns.com/>

These people are certifiable. JMHO.

[burrowowl]

14. Good God!

These people are beyond certifiable!

[NNN0LHI]

16. Thats not the miniguns Junior wanted to bring. Here is the real deal

http://www.aircav.com/huey/uhgal01/kpm134.html

M134 minigun

http://www.military.cz/usa/weapons/guns/kulomety/minigun/minigun.htm

[aquart]

18. That's a machine gun.

It may be all hi-techified, but that's a damn machine gun.

[NickB79]

21. Yep

Someone thought to themselves "How can I make a machine gun even MORE deadly? I know, instead of just one barrel, lets use 6 barrels! And lets hook it up to an electric motor to spin the barrels so they can fire even faster!" And thus, the mini-gun was born.

[DrWeird]

30. Yeah, it's mini...

in comparison with what's on an A-10 warthog.

[Beaker]

51. Aren't they the ones used in "Predator" & "T2" by the Governators?

Jesse "the Mind & Body" Ventura and Herr Gropenfuhrer...

[Zech Marquis]

48. like I said just one

:wtf: are they planning to do, mow down a bunch of Brits who moon * as his entourage passes by?This is an outrage :argh:

[NickB79]

20. To be fair, those are just BB guns they sell

And the velocity is quite a bit lower than most pump-up pellet rifles that we shot as kids. You notice that they do state how it would take years of paperwork, background checks, and a minimum of $250,000 to own a real one. Hell, even the BB gun models are $5000! Ok, maybe they ARE certifiable if they want that much for a glorified BB gun :-)

[BloodyWilliam]

39. I'm thinking military tank-mounted mini-guns aren't so nice.

And they also make BB/AirSoft versions of Klashnikov AK-47's, M-16's, and pretty much any piece of modern military small and medium arms.

[madddog]

66. actually

the last transferrable (legal to sell from one party to another) minigun I saw was "only" $175,000. And you don't need years of paperwork, it takes about 4 mos, depending on where you live. And don't forget the $200 to BATF for the stamp.

The minigun is like any other Class III firearm...legal for civilians in many states. Be the first one on your block lol.

Jesse James (the bike builder) borrowed one mounted on a jeep to shoot up one of his projects that didn't work out. The video was pretty entertaining. If you go to the discovery channel, you can probably find a link to it.

[n0_data]

68. Here you go

http://plissken.fatalunity.com/gallery/misc/kfa/gun.wmv

Right click > save as. 11MB..yikes.

Um, yeah..by the looks of that video, that's a bit overkill.

[PaDUer]

12. SICK

is the word!!!

[ThorsteinVeblen]

7. Battlefield Weaponry against protesters?

Are they arguing that Bush's life is worth the indiscriminate killing of 100's of protesters with artillery?

Is that the argument?

Britain should tell the US to fuck off and stay the fuck out of their country.

[aquart]

17. No, let him go.

And then quick shut the door so he can't get back in.

[SemperEadem]

43. No, they should say "You wanted to leave, so go! Bye!...

You're the one who wanted your freedom..."

I hope the Brits give Dumbya the welcome he deserves.

[BuelahWitch]

9. Once again..

..I am ashamed of my government.

[jonoboy]

11. hey its not too much to ask..look at Iraq

[aquart]

13. Can't wait to see the demands for the Republican Convention in NYC.

Especially the "shut down the tube" one. We got lotsa tubes here.

[Old and In the Way]

19. They'll be flying "Puff the Magic Dragon" in the skies over NYC

if this is any indication.

Really, this is getting a little too bizarre, even for this administration. Is this how you treat your only friend to support you in Iraq? This has got to be the most ignorant collection of people ever assembled in a presidential administration.

[opihimoimoi]

24. Birds of a Feather ... flock together

Bush is a LOLO Magnet, he brings out the LOLOness in his team.

The Man is clearly in over his damn head.

[soothsayer]

23. jeez, the coward must cry himself to sleep every night and wet his pants

thinking about how many people hate him to death.

Hey, at least they seem to realize that dumbya is NOT beloved by anyone....! That's progress.

[aquart]

26. At the very least, I hope he is terrified every second.

I hope they have to put him in diapers he's so scared.

[monarch]

42. Not to worry

According to one freeper, he has the "brass balls of a Brahma bull."

[kayell]

45. The poor bull!

Well I guess it's a steer now.

And * had them bronzed! It's amazing those things didn't tear out the flight suit. And it sounds a lot more uncomfortable than socks. But one must make sacrifices for the countries morale.

[dArKeR]

25. I think it's possible the UKers might rush Bush. So I think it's a very

dangerous situation for everyone! In my opinion, Bush should call off this trip!

[NNN0LHI]

27. Yes he should for everyones safety n/t

[IndianaGreen]

29. and miss spending the night at Buckingham Palace with the Queen?

Bush loves the pomp of royalty, as he sees himself as a sort of Divinely appointed ruler of America. He wouldn't miss this for the world!

[SemperEadem]

44. the second mad king george for the US

the first one lost the colonies... hopefully, this one will lose his second election.

[0007]

56. ....or at least junior should lose his clothes...

so Charles can pull his chain.

[maryallen]

55. Where's the Queen's responsibility in this mess?

Shouldn't she have enough sense to recognize the seriousness of this situation?
Shouldn't she be able to take the pulse of her own people and know that they loath George?

And what of Blair?

[Pastiche423]

60. The Queen is not pleased

The deteriorating relationship between the Palace and the President's security men has infuriated the Queen. When it is all over, a mighty row with the Prime Minister is on the cards.

"The Queen is annoyed to be the one having to turn down so many of the White House's requests," said a Buckingham Palace official. "Downing Street's attitude is that this is something that should be resolved between the Palace and the White House. But the fact is that the Queen is being left to negotiate a political minefield pretty much on her own.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/11/16/nbush16.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/11/16/ixnewstop.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=19734

[salinen]

28. protest mightily

this is a totally corrupt regime that is not happy with just controlling one nation. the protest in england should be big, loud, agressive, and spirited. the world will see because the bbc is respectable, unlike our own bushmedia(murdock). brits, we need you now. we are powerless in our reichstadt. you are our hope and we will vicariously join you. give 'em hell.

[Jack Rabbit]

33. Yes, I have had the same forebodings

Please, British DUers, make sure his stay is an unpleasant one, but make sure he comes home. I want to see him act humiliated.

[parkia00]

31. What Would Happen If Protesters Were Killed?

I don't mean to want the worst to happen but I've been thinking...hard about possible scenerios.

What happens if secret service personal open fire on a crowd of protesters approaching and kill a bunch of them? It was all caught on video by a news crew and seen by millions. Chimpy was ushed back to Air Force One which quickly takes of away from danger. Which leaves a mess behing including a large number of US personal as they do not have the option of fleeing that fast... including the shooters.

Would the British police arrest or detain the agents for further investigation? What if the US administration refuses to hand over the agents and tell them so. That if the British police were ordered to arrest the shooters and the shooters were ordered not to allow them selves to be detained as they had "immunity". Any arresting police officers are treated with threats. The US plane at the runway cannot take off with the shooters as the runway has been blocked with trucks under order from a British judge or high ranking official. What if the airport where the plane is parked is surrounded on the outside with very angry protesters?

What would happen? There are so many scenerios of something bad happening with this visit that it getting really scary. Chimpy should just stay on his pig farm and not come out. Bad Things Follow Chimpy Around!



You Are Not My President.
I Did Not Vote For You.
And You Sure As Hell Do Not Represent Me!

[Occulus]

38. If protesters get killed

expect a major backlash here. Have food, water, clothing, and other necessities packed.

At that time, the proverbial 'it' may very well begin.

[Guaranteed]

40. Two words: Mass escalation.

Followed by out-of-control escalation, then apocalyptic escalation.

[Starfire_Sangraal]

41. Have You Watched "Dead Zone"?

...with Christopher Walken?

The movie now comes to my mind. If Dubya sees a weapon aimed at him, he uses the nearest toddler in front of him as a shield!

[newyawker99]

58. Hi parkia00!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[madddog]

64. don't worry

The papers will run articles the next day that the protesters were all "nail bombers", and the government whitewash will exonerate them all. They've had practice after all...it happened in Derry, NI on Jan. 30, 1972.

[kitkatrose]

67. You know,

the really sad part about that is that I can actually see that happening. Hopefully, other news sources will pick up the truth. :(

[kodi]

32. what, no photon torpedoes allowed either?

we should thank god that great britain is an ally. what the hell would bush bring to china?

[oasis]

34. Stay put Chimpy boy. You are not wanted.

[buycitgo]

35. don't you get it? bring me a shrubbery!

he got most of what he wanted by making these outrageous demands:

he got a large area cordoned off into a "sterile zone"

road closures

he won't have to see any protesters

and--->the would-be protesters are negotiating with the authorities, which means they likely won't be able to congregate in nearly the numbers they want.......many many many will be discouraged from showing at all, which is what the SNAKEmen want (United Snakes of Uremia.....clean up Armenia; get a harelip!)

this means that any angry protestors will be seen as criminals, disobeying the agreed-upon rubric, thus (in snakes' eyes, swinging public opinion against unruly mobsters)

[imax2268]

36. accidental shootings...?

(sarcasm)...ooooops...sorry sir...I know I just blew your wife's brains out...but...it was an accident...ok...well...back to America...let's go people...!

Nice to see the Brits standing up to the Thug-n-chief...!

[quaker bill]

46. Exactly how embarrasing is it

for our President* not to feel safe in England? (of all places) Could you imagine him cancelling the trip over "security concerns"?

All of a sudden, I can.

[Zech Marquis]

47. shoot to kill?

:wtf: ar they planning to do? How many world leaders brought their own ersonal death squads here and requested shoot to kill rights?

[Maeve]

49. Psych! another way to scare the protestors

Like dialog out of an old movie---

"Mess wit' me and I'll shoot!"

"Believe him! He's just crazy enough to do it!" (Mel Brooks fans already know the appropriate scene from "Blazing Saddles")

Here's hoping the protestors continue in their resolve to give him Truth and he'll think it's hell!

[xchrom]

50. oh yes -- what a president

now we get to experience his paranoia in the extreme.
this is nothing short of bizarre -- and i'm surprized the brits didn't tell the yanks to shove it up their ass -- they'll take care of their own protestors and the security of the prez. i mean we're talking about britain -- oh well after his africa trip i guess i shouldn't be surprized. i am -- but i shouldn't be.

[jody]

52. Ironic! Bush is a mobile castle under siege. He flew over Iraq probably

at 40,000 feet with fighter escorts.

[Ferretherder]

53. While Bill Clinton was mobbed by throngs of adoring fans ...

...as if he were a rock star!

(sigh)

In the words of Lester (Roadhog) Moran, 'I don't know. I don't know.'

[jody]

54. Clinton represents government of the people, by the people, for the people

People Like FDR, Truman, JFK, Jimmy Carter, and Clinton are the very essence of the people. Their opposition is government of the corporation, by the corporation, for the corporation.

Lincoln and Teddy would probably be Democrats if they were alive today and they most definitely would not be modern day Republicans.

All those Presidents made real Kipling's words "If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings-nor lose the common touch"

[Q]

57. It's quite clear the Bushies would murder protestors...

...for the 'crime' of protesting against the Bush* empire.

[proud patriot]

59. You know , I am so disgusted by the arrogance

I can't summon the words to desribe it .

[jody]

61. Only a sailor's vocabulary can adequately describe AWOL and his lackeys

:hi:

[banana republican]

62. WELCOME

TO THE APOCALYPSE

[nolabels]

63. I didn't read about that in the Sunday newspaper

I think Sundays are not the what they are cracked up to be. I heard most wars are started on that day.

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[goforit]

65. This is UNBELIEVABLE!!!!.....Shame onTony Blair for the invitation!

Their time is more than due!!!!