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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 09:36 AM
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Mexicans consider boycott of U.S. firms on May 1
MEXICO CITY - "Nothing gringo," warns the rallying cry of Mexican activists calling for a boycott of all U.S. businesses south of the border on May 1.

The campaign, aimed at pressuring Congress to legalize undocumented migrants, was timed to coincide with the "Great American Boycott," in which activists are urging migrants in the United States to skip work and avoid spending money to demonstrate their importance to the U.S. economy.

The Mexican boycott was being promoted on Web sites and through e-email messages, one of which warns that "people shouldn't buy anything from the interminable list of American businesses in Mexico."

...snip...

Even parts of the Mexican government have signed on to the protest.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0415immigration0415.html
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 09:41 AM
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1. OH NO!!!!!!!! No more DVD releases! :cry:
Edited on Sat Apr-15-06 09:41 AM by HypnoToad
Yeah, they'll stop working in Mexico... :eyes:

Only their own illegally in the US should stop doing anything... that's the message I'm reading - by and large, but to boycott American businesses in Mexico... watch those DVD prices skyrocket. Whatever.

As a result, they'll be outing themselves and here comes da' man! :dunce:


For a boycott to work, it has to be absolute.

And it's not going to be.

Hell, the fact Mexicans want to come to the USA means they have no loyalty to Mexico.

Nothing will come from any of this.


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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 09:42 AM
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2. This shit is going way too far. Way too far and it's going to backfire.
If Mexican activists LIVING IN MEXICO want to make demands, let them make it of their own corrupt government. Demand that these people be paid wages in their own country that will allow them to live decently. Mexico is not a poor country. It's just a corrupt country.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 10:06 AM
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8. that ain't no joke
thats what the problem is with Mexico, their corrupt fucking government. I tell you when Colloseo was assasinated, another asshole (Fox) took over and hasn't done a whole lot obvioulsy.
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 07:21 PM
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49. Actually, Ernesto Zedillo took over the nomination when Colosio was killed
Fox came in 6 years later.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 08:36 PM
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53. and? different name same shit n/t
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:08 AM
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62. Sort of...
At least Vicente Fox was able to break the one-party system that ruled Mexico for over 7 decades. Sure, he's a right winger and didn't change policies much, but at least he opened the door to other people from other parties. Now leftist Andrés Manuel López Obrador is expected to win, but he wouldn't have been able to if the one-party system hadn't been broken.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:59 PM
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27. Ought to stay in their place at the maquiladora, eh?
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IndyJones Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:28 PM
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80. Thank you! So correct! And as far as their boycott...well, who cares?
They've done it how many times before here in CA? And did anyone care? NO.

Why don't they take all of that protesting energy and knock on Fox's door and demand change in their country? Why don't they demand change in Mexico and work toward a Mexican dream there?

Honestly, I don't understand why no one is holding Mexico accountable for their problems. They have plenty of money and plenty of oil. Corruption is their #1 problem. Why is no one trying to fix that problem?

Immigration here is a symptom. Unless the problem is corrected, the symptom isn't going to go away.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:28 PM
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85. Exactly - why is nobody holding the Mexican government
accountable when it is clear that is where the root of the problem lies?
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:10 PM
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99. Many Mexican activists are trying
to hold their government accountable. They risk disappearance, jail, harm to their families and death.
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 09:48 AM
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3. This is going to back fire big time.
First of all, many undocumented migrants will be terminated the day they don't show up for work without permission. What legal recourse does that leave them if they are illegally hired in the first place?

Secondly, piss off enough Americans and they will start boycotting Mexico goods and services.

How does pissing down our legs make Americans empathize with their cause for immigration reform ? :shrug:

Jut ask France what happens when Americans get pissed.

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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 09:58 AM
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6. Blackmail.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/15/us/15protest.html?hp&ex=1145160000&en=c51faafc6ca96cc8&ei=5094&partner=homepage


In at least one instance, nearly 200 fired workers in Wisconsin were reinstated, demonstration leaders said, after the leaders met with employers, discussed the significance of the protests and threatened to identify the companies publicly.


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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:57 PM
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26. Employers don't like to be blackmail ... they usually
don't like that cause it means money... if they can blackmail them for getting their jobs back. They can blackmail them for money ...

BlackMail is bad business...
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 10:59 PM
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59. You can find some employers here
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 01:04 PM
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28. Inmigrantes ilegales se aseguran empleos en EEUU antes de entrar
15 de Abril de 2006, 12:54pm ET

SASABE, México (AP) _ Cuando Pedro López Vázquez cruzó ilegalmente la frontera a mediados de abril, no entró en Estados Unidos con el propósito de buscar trabajo. Ya tenía uno asegurado.

Por cierto, su futuro empleador había pagado 1.000 dólares a un "coyote" para que le ayudara a trasponer la frontera y completar el trayecto desde la ciudad mexicana de Puebla hasta Aspen, en Colorado. <snip>

http://www.univision.com/contentroot/wirefeeds/50noticias/6471775.html
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 02:31 PM
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107. EN FLORIDA , BARREN CON EL BOICOT DE LOS ANTI -USA E ILEGALES
look they have discussion forums, that's amazing

EN FLORIDA HAY MUCHISIMOS CUBANOS Y
SI LOS ILEGALES QUIEREN HACER BOICOT EN DICHO ESTADO

LOS CUBANOS SON SUFICIENTES PARA
BARRER CON EL BOICOT DE ESTOS
ANTI-USA ,PROVOCADORES
O ILEGALES


http://foro.univision.com/univision/board/message?board.id=noticierounivision&message.id=54756


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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:26 AM
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82. OK, let's "ask France what happens when Americans get pissed."
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, in February 2004, the United States imported $2.26 billion in French goods and services, up from $2.18 billion in February 2002.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200405020006
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:59 AM
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96. France ? sorry but I didn't notice anything special...
except some freedom fries stuff...

the problem is that trade balance between France and the US is positive... for France
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 09:49 AM
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4. HAHAHAHA
Jokes on them.We don't make anything in America anymore.Who ya going to boycot?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:44 PM
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23. Walmart, for one. They've got a long list of corporate nasties.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 01:16 PM
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33. Piden a mexicanos boicotear firmas de EEUU
... "Lo que solicitan es que el 1o de mayo no se compre nada gringo en el país ni se consuma nada en franquicias americanas, esto quiere decir: No Dunkin Donuts, Mc Donald's, Burguer King, Starbucks, Sears, Crispy Cream, Walmart, Seven-Eleven y otras de la interminable lista de empresas norteamericanas en México", dice otro ...

http://www.azcentral.com/lavoz/spanish/latin-america/articles/latin-america_160779.html
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justice1 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 05:27 PM
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108. Not to be picky, but some of those listed aren't American owned.
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Donkeykick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 09:49 AM
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5. Well whoopee doo!
:sarcasm: Apparently they're going to threaten to stay in their own country and find work there? Okay with me! Give our Minutemen a break so that they can visit their families.:shrug: :eyes:
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 10:08 AM
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9.  I hope you really are being sarcastic
Edited on Sat Apr-15-06 10:11 AM by judaspriestess
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:48 AM
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15. A search by author will probably determine that. Gimme a few minutes. -nt
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Donkeykick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 06:20 PM
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45. Explaining.
The campaign, aimed at pressuring Congress to legalize undocumented migrants, was timed to coincide with the "Great American Boycott," in which activists are urging migrants in the United States to skip work and avoid spending money to demonstrate their importance to the U.S. economy.
I am only referring to the truth here. They would only harm themselves doing this. Besides, there are a lot of them coming over illegally here, and it is not right. In some of the ways that they're protesting is not too colorful also. I work with a few Mexicans, that became US citizens, that agree with me on this, too.:shrug:
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 10:05 AM
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7. May 1st is International Workers' Day!
Wasn't that the day when workers from across the USSR used to march through the streets to protest the fact that the USA was not allowing unlimited immigration from the USSR?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:56 PM
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25. 1 May 1886: US nation-wide strike for the 8-hour workday
... In 1884, the same year that the Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions began promoting Labor Day, it called for unions across the country to hold demonstrations and strikes on May 1, 1886, demanding an eight-hour work day. (At the time most workers worked considerably longer hours.) Workers in great numbers responded, but the eight-hour movement came to a crashing halt in the face of repression that followed a bomb explosion at a May 3, 1886 rally in Chicago’s Haymarket Square, which killed eight policemen. Eight anarchists were convicted of conspiring to commit the violence, and four of them hung, even though there was little evidence against them. In the years that followed, May Day became an occasion for protesting the arrests of socialists, anarchists, and unionists following the Haymarket explosion, as well as for continuing to push for shorter hours. May Day jumped abroad, when in 1889 an International Socialist Convention convened in Paris called for demonstrations on May 1st of the following year, leading to the rapid spread of May Day celebrations across Europe ...

http://www.historynow.org/06_2005/historian4.html
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:00 PM
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77. It's a communist plot
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:50 PM
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78. I've already heard that theory
From local right-wing talk show hosts here in Houston...
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 10:11 AM
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10. Looks like Mexico is feeling some Latino Heat!
This is what happens when you have corrupt governments all over the region - instability, and a decline in the infrastructure. Our shared economies will suffer over this, maybe that will be enough to be a wake up call.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 10:11 AM
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11. Well, this is stupid. One day isn't going to affect anything.
A halfhearted attempt that is only going to backfire. Whatever. Let them not eat at McDonalds for a day.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 10:11 AM
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12. if they raided every meat packing or poultry processor
Edited on Sat Apr-15-06 10:18 AM by madrchsod
in the usa the industry would collapse. we`d be eating a lot more veggies...wait a minute crap we`s starve!

oh yes those american firms left here for cheap wages in their company..if they don`t like our jobs we would really like them back. i`m sure the 1500 or so in the galesburg illinois area would like their jobs back. i really hate buying stuff from mexico that used to be made in usa.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:52 PM
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94. Slightly off topic, but
I don't eat meat and I'm not starving. And I'm also not supporting the slaughterhouses and factory farms built on the foundation of illegal immigration.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 10:25 AM
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13. What a stupid idea. Who is organizing these people? Napolean Dynamite?
Who pulls a boycott that hurts their cause the most?

"A day without immigrants" *Yawn* or *Yay!* ?
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:51 AM
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16. "a day without immigrants" is not what they are proposing
but a day of not buying US brands in Mexico is not going to have much effect either
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:46 AM
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68. There is a boycott planned here at the same time
"a day without immigrants" it was described as in the local rag. Only get this: the Mexican business owners called on other minority businesses to close in support of their boycott, while Mexican-owned businesses stayed open.
That went over like a cement pinata
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 01:09 PM
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29. Procesa EU a dos activistas por salvar la vida a ilegales
Por salvar la vida a tres inmigrantes chiapanecos, las autoridades estadunidenses acusaron de conspiración para traficar con seres humanos y de transporte de indocumentados a Shanti Sellz y Daniel Strauss, activistas de la organización civil No More Deaths-Phoenix, (en español “No más muertes”), quienes podrían ser condenados a 15 años de prisión y a pagar una multa de hasta 250 mil dólares. <snip>

http://www.cronica.com.mx/nota.php?idc=236356
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 01:11 PM
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31. Suicidio de alumno podría incidir en debate migratorio en EU
Ontario, California-- Horas después de ser convocado a la oficina del subdirector de su escuela, Anthony Soltero tomó el rifle de su padrastro y se pegó un tiro. Su suicidio podría convertirse en un detonante en el debate en torno a reformas migratorias.

La familia del muchacho dice que Anthony se suicidó porque había sido amenazado con prisión por abandonar la escuela para protestar los cambios propuestos a las leyes de inmigración en Estados Unidos. <snip>

http://www.eldiariodechihuahua.com.mx/notas.php?IDNOTA=17625&IDSECCION=El%20Pa%C3%ADs&IDREPORTERO=Associated%20Press
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:15 PM
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83. On nastojashchij durak.
Kakoj uchenik ubivaet sebja iz-za prostoj grozy?

Kazhetsja, chto nam luchshe bez takogo roda gluposti.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 01:01 PM
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97. jawohl!
Actually, I have no idea what you just said.

Or what the other guy said.

Or even what I just said!


What we really need here at DU is a lingua franca. I wonder which language we should choose for that?

:think:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 01:18 PM
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34. Deportan a prominente editora de diario hispano
ST. LOUIS, Misurí, EE.UU - La editora de un periódico hispano fue deportada dando fin a una batalla legal de cinco años sobre su estado migratorio.

El viernes Cecilia Velázquez fue escoltada a México y le fue prohibida su entrada a los Estados Unidos por 10 años, dijo Carl Rusnok, portavoz de la agencia de Inmigración y Aduanas de los Estados Unidos.

Velázquez, de 36 años, es la editora del periódico en español Red Latina. Asimismo ella también es la presidente de Radio CuCui, un grupo que contrata y lleva artistas y comentaristas étnicos a la estación de radio WEW-AM.

"Estoy deshecha", dijo Velázquez desde Juárez, México, en una entrevista por teléfono celular una hora después de haber sido escoltada a su tierra natal. "Sin duda me utilizaron como ejemplo", indicó. <snip>

http://www.azcentral.com/lavoz/spanish/us/articles/us_103228.html

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 01:21 PM
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35. Llevan batalla por reforma migratoria a la radio de EU


Washington DC.- La batalla política por la reforma migratoria en EU se trasladará en los próximos días a las radios hispanas del país, cuyas antenas serán utilizadas por republicanos y demócratas para intercambiar acusaciones sobre el tema en español.

El Comité Nacional Republicano anunció que a partir de la semana próxima transmitirá avisos publicitarios sobre la reforma migratoria en radios en castellano de estados con alto índice de población hispana. <snip>

http://www.imagenzac.com.mx/2006/04/15/municipio581.htm
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 01:24 PM
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37. Bwaaahaha! Idiotic crap from rightwing Repub morans is driving ..
.. people to organize themselves!
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:42 AM
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67. Vote for Pedro!
:hi:
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:40 AM
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14. The Mexican colonists are staging a Boston Tea Party? n/t
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Rocket Surgeon Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:53 AM
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17. It will have no effect. Everyone will just buy double on May 2nd...
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:56 AM
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18. They're YOUR underclass, Mexico--if you don't like how they're treated
Edited on Sat Apr-15-06 11:58 AM by rocknation
TAKE THEM BACK!!!

Maybe Vincente Fox is the one that Bush should have threatened to remove from power!

:headbang:
rocknation
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 01:13 PM
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32. Pobre Mexico , tan lejos de dios , y tan cerca de los EEUU
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 01:23 PM
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36. Me ganaste. lol
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robbibaba Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:59 AM
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19. Seems like a good enough idea to me.
I don't understand all the animosity here. Who would have predicted the incredible levels of organization and participation in all the recent protest rallies? I agree that one day won't hurt US businesses (enough) but it could send a strong warning shot over their bows. No?
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:29 PM
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21. I agree with you, robbibaba! (n/t=no text in message)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:42 PM
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22. Sometimes these threads don't even read like they're from
DU but escapees from one of those other places.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 08:32 PM
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52. ...you aren't the first to think so, my friend.
:hi:...unfortunately.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 09:11 PM
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56. Let's not mention those other places, sfexpat2000.
I agree with you, though.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:20 AM
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66. When you know an opinion cant be met with logic
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 09:27 AM by fishnfla
Throw the cheap freeper insinuation out there.

EDIT to add: Skinner has addresssed this issue specifically, people can disagree on this subject witout being called names because of their take, or guilt by association. Beth, you seem to play this card alot, think about that for minute, going around painting fellow DUers as freepers just because you disagree. Its pretty weak.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 03:42 PM
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75. I don't need to insinuate. You've read these threads just as I have.
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 03:45 PM by sfexpat2000
Race is part of this bundle of problems. And, no, sometimes I can't believe I'm reading a "progressive" board. It may seem "cheap" to you but it has been quite painful to a number of DUers, myself included.

On edit:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x942066
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 01:39 PM
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98. you're assuming that only conservatives care about the national interest..
... and that's just not true.

Many people on the Left want solid borders and a wage scale safe from being undercut by cheap illegal labor.

Many people on the Left reject the claim that that our country "belongs" to anyone who chooses to cross our borders over our objections and contrary to our laws. Many people on the Left resent these recent attempts by the illegals to intimidate us into giving them what they want.

In fact, traditional constituencies of the Left -- such the "Disadvantaged Democrats" or "Partisan Poor" of Pew's political typologies -- are some of those who are the angriest about the illegal influx. I think that they're right to be angry, and I'm glad to see that so many of us on the Left are inclined to take care of our own first.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 08:28 PM
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51. ...me too.
I will happily stand w/my comrades--which is what I consider the immigrant faction to be--we are all in this together.

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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 09:10 PM
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55. Hi, bliss_eternal! (n/t)
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 07:21 PM
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50. Yes it sounds OK to me


First of all, they are not afraid to stand up to the oppressor.

WE are!

That is a shame in and of itself because we should be able to ORGANIZE and PUT PRESSURE On and we can't even get the NeoCons to stop laughing in our faces about the WMD and all the other lies.

I respect their efforts, they have a spine and we need to get one too!
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oneold1-4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:27 PM
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20. Its not too bad
to make diet change to canned, frozen, and dried fruits and vegetables! They should learn not to take the US for granted!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:53 PM
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24. Oh this doesn't bother regular Americans maybe the corporations
but not the American worker and thats the voters of America

not the Corporations!!!

I say go Protest Go show us your numbers and that your organized...

cause if your organized that means you can ask for higher wages...

Go for it!!!

and by right I would protest if I was going to jail let the corporations go to jail...
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 01:09 PM
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30. They would be wise to boycott gringo
products every day. A traditional mexican diet is much more healthy than Murder King and Taco Hell.
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badgervan Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #30
38. Some Respect For My Country, Please.....
When you use the derogatory term "gringo", it is the same as white people calling Mexican people "beaners". Very disrespectful. And for some posting here, our national language is still English, por favor.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 01:56 PM
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39. I'm as white as can be, of Irish and Dutch descent
born in Minnesota, and I am a gringa. Si, yo soy una gringa. I was born into the ethnic group that has done its darndest to conquer and control Latin America.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 02:10 PM
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40. Actually, unlike "beaner", "gringo" can be used as a term
of affection. The culture is funny that way.

And with respect, Navy, there is no official language in these United States.
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badgervan Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 04:10 PM
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41. Check
You might want to call any government office on that, as I believe that English is required for all official government documents. That's good enough for me. And I think we can tell when someone is calling us a gringo just how its intended. In my experience, it ain't a compliment.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 04:54 PM
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42. I guess you have not been on the gringo trail
that goes through Mexico and Central America. And all those cool gadgets you can buy from SkyMall, the catalog on the airplane, they are called gringadas. Yo sigo siendo GRINGA. Ni modo, lo soy.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 06:53 PM
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47. I like Guero
My latino friends in Califa and Tejas would call me Guero. It always seemed more of a term of endearment than gringo.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 05:01 PM
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43. Ah! I call my husband "gringo" all the time because although
he's partly Brazilian, he's mostly Canadian - even in his culinary tastes. He thinks catsup is spicy.

The official language problem is actually interesting. I don't know about territories gained in other transactions, but the territories we got from Mexico have both English and Spanish as "official" languages by treaty. Every few years, someone introduces a bill to make English our official language but it doesn't seem to ever get anywhere.

I've never read any of the docs relating to the Louisiana Purchase, for example, so I can't speak to that whole area. Or Hawaii, or Alaska, and so on.



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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #41
58. El IRS en Español
Bienvenido

Sabemos que el preparar su declaración de impuestos no es siempre una tarea fácil. En el IRS estamos trabajando intensamente, dentro de los límites permitidos por la ley, para que la presentación de su declaración de impuestos se le haga mucho más sencilla. Para facilitarle este proceso, hemos creado esta página en español. No debemos olvidar que en este país tenemos muy presente que "Los impuestos son el precio que tenemos que pagar para vivir en una sociedad civilizada", como dijo el Juez de la Corte Suprema de los Estados Unidos, Oliver Wendell Holmes.

http://www.irs.gov/espanol/article/0,,id=101267,00.html


Formas y Publicaciones para los Residentes de Puerto Rico y Patronos cuyo Negocio Principal esta ubicado en Puerto Rico
http://www.irs.gov/espanol/article/0,,id=132193,00.html
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:33 PM
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86. Ch'ja kul'tura?
Nikogda ne uslyshal polozhitel'nogo upotrebleniya takogo slova, gringo. Mozhet byt' dlja mnogikh meksikan eto slovo byvaet dovol'no nejtral'no, tochka kak u menja v universitete govorili tol'ko 'wetback' dlja vsekh meksican bez zloby. U menja v shkole 'nigger'--slovo takogo zhe urovnja, ne vsegda znachashchego zlobu ili nenavist', eto pochti chto kazhdodennoe, edinstvennoe slovo so znacheniem 'chernysh'.

No chernyshy, konechno, ne tak na nego smotreli. A dumaju, 'wetback' ne odobrjali by meksikane.

A znajesh, ty sovershenno prava: gosudarstvennogo jazyka net u nas, ne kak u drugikh. Tak nam xuzhe.

But since there's no official language, there's no need to show respect by using a common one, ne tak?
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #38
54. I like Gringo D*ck
is that a racial slur?:evilgrin:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #38
57. There's some important stuff in the Mexican press on this topic.
If you don't want to read it, don't.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #38
88. "Gringo" isn't all that bad. "Pinche Gabacho" is another matter...
And watch out for "Pendejo"! But I won't insult you by offering translations.

Speaking (or typing) another language than English only offends the ignorant.

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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 05:12 PM
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44. We should get ALL workers to strike May 1.
All the hardworking Americans slaving away at low-paying jobs being squeezed to produce more, work longer hours for the same pay, watching their jobs disappear in the ether.

ALL of us should take a page from their book and stay home May 1.

<sigh>

If only.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #44
60. Agreed.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #44
71. That's how May Day started.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 06:43 PM
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46. divide, divide, divide
the tactic of scoundrels.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 07:15 PM
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48. My main hope is this will be peaceful like the other one
but I suspect violence from this one...
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 04:19 AM
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61. Anyone need a temp worker for May 1? n/t
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:52 AM
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63. May 1, 2003
Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended

Thank you all very much. Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. (Applause.) And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/20030501-15.html


Ok, this has nothing to do with the OP, but I just wanted to remind you.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:09 AM
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64. What a way to endear yourself to the good ole U.S. of A.
This will only sway more to an anti-immigrant stance. Not smart.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:32 AM
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65. There is a problem Houston. There ain't no "gingo" made products.
Such a boycott would only hurt China.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:47 AM
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69. "Such a boycott would only hurt China."
That helps to bring my family on board. :-) China is becoming a mighty force with regard to world Foreign Policy. The little I've read is that the ruling class in China, is not making concerted efforts to treat their "working" people with increased respect? We should immediately consider increased political pressure toward their increased respect for HUMAN RIGHTS within their GREAT Country.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #69
70. Don't disagree but..............
We need to put political pressure toward increasing respect for HUMAN RIGHTS within this GREAT Country also.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:59 AM
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72. Now that is a statement of Pure Wisdom - we need to start at home! n/t
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 01:26 PM
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73. Oh man, this shouldn't be a Latino vs American fight,
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 01:28 PM by msgadget
it should be a labor vs the mighty lugheads fight.

Edit to add: boycotting businesses IN Mexico is BRILLIANT and a step in the right direction.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 03:43 PM
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76. Exactly. n/t
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:35 AM
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81. It should, but it won't. It'll be racial, xenophobic and very ugly
Things will get a lot worse before they get better IMHO.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:39 PM
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87. It's a multi-way fight.
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 12:40 PM by igil
It's not Latino, it's individual countries vs. the US (and vice-versa), and those individual countries versus each other.

Mexican unions fight for their ethnicity in the US and play politics, both appealing to nationalism and the protectionism/paternalism they liked for so long. They fight not for Latinos immigrating to work in better conditions, but for Mexicans. If they say otherwise, they show themselves to be speaking untruths--otherwise they wouldn't be trying to affect US policy--you know, that much hated 'interference in another country's domestic politics' that is so reprehensible to them--they'd instead be working locally to improve how their own country treats illegal immigrants.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 03:35 PM
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74. We make stuff here?
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:52 PM
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79. We need to get this issue resolved...
...its getting too close to November to have right-wing xenophobia stirred up this much. :(
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:24 PM
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84. BITE the hand that feeds you. GOOD GOING!!!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #84
91. I believe you mean "Bite the hand that enslaves you so you can eat."
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 05:49 PM by sfexpat2000
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus, Joseph and Mary.

Is THIS the progressive response to powerless workers?

:puke:
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:48 PM
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93. What is progressive to you? Enslavement? PLEEEEZE
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:28 AM
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95. Criticizing workers for standing up is progressive?
Can you not imagine these people as Labor?

Are they people to you or are they just brown people?

That hand that feeds these people also keeps them in a twilight world, in a purposeful underclass.

Please, get a clue. Buy one if you have to.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #84
100. SI, BITE the hand that contaminated your corn
with genetically modified corn.
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:53 AM
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103. to me, this is about the xenophobes. i for one, am mad as hell...
I am a non-hispanic white at a workplace that is about 2/3 hispanic, i am a licensed insurance agent at a call center that does both english and spanish outbound calls.... the reps make the sell and then send it over to us agents to verify... about half the agents are hispanic, half are white... the whites overwhelmingly are so xenophobic it's sickening. ALWAYS bitching about the illegals as the cause of all of our problems... and speaking of them as if their not even human... and of course bitching about people speaking spanish, etc. and just really xenophobic all around, etc. well i am joining my hispanic brothers and sisters in not going to work on May 1st and the first is always the busiest day of the month, we get new leads... a few other non-hispanic agents will also be joining the work stoppage on May 1st and the thing is, is that a majority of our calls come from a callcenters they have in Canada and so they will see how FUBARED our workplace is without immigrants, without hispanics, without those who are in solidarity with hispanics and immigrants. I would not be surprised if they end up shutting the place down... the production managers and many supervisors ARE Mexicans (with green cards or at least as far as I know) and the general manager himself is a Mexican national that crosses the border every day.

I am mad as hell at the xenophobes.... this arrogance that they are ENTITLED to all these rights and priviledges just because of the blessed geographic circumstances surrounding their birth.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:03 PM
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89. Good for Mexico.
Let's hope the right folks in the US Corporate System take notice. The "right folks" at DU certainly have.

"Why don't they ever protest in Mexico?"



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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:08 PM
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90. Good for them
the Mexican bashers here in southern Arizona must be some of the loudest racist in this stolen country.Their cry is go home or go back where you came from.The most strident racist are the foreign born whites,I say to them go home and don't come back.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:48 PM
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101. Oh Crap,
I'm afraid they might just seal their fate with this one.

When a person wants to be allowed to reside in a new country,
they should wave the new country's flag,
not the flag where they came from where they don't want to go back to.
That unfortunately was the real start of pissing off the WingNuts.

Sometimes you just have to play the game to get what you want.

Now they want to boycott the country they want to be allowed to stay in.
Is there really any logic in this?:banghead:

This will just give the Neo-Cons just one more reason............



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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 03:08 PM
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102. This boycott will happen in Mexico....
Quite a few Mexicans are still doing OK down there. And they ARE working for change.

But they don't like the Republican plans for harsher treatment of Mexicans working here. And perhaps they've caught a whiff of xenophobia.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:20 PM
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105. No, they are talking about boycotting in the US
The Chicago Tribune had a half-page article about it today. There's a split in the pro-immigrant movement between those who support a boycott and those who think it'll just piss off the anti-immigrant people, the way the Mexican flags did in the last rallies.

The "leaders" of this movement have very little wisdom and don't know their audience. Boycotting businesses, missing work, and more rallies will only invite more backlash.

Ultimately, Mexico needs to solve its own problems, but won't as long as there are Americans who are okay with people being paid less than minimum wage.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:40 PM
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106. Yes, I just found that out.
A big local chain of restaurants--Taquerias Arandas--will be closed in solidarity.

The anti-immigrant people will be pissed off, no matter what anybody does.
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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:07 AM
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104. Useless
People of Mexican heritage in the US should go on strike for a week.
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