Al-Qaeda 'claims Turkey bombings'

[hussar]

An Arabic newspaper says it has received a statement purportedly from al-Qaeda saying it carried out the attacks against synagogues in Istanbul.

The editor of the London-based al-Quds newspaper, Abdel-Bari Atwan, says the claim was sent by al-Qaeda in an email.

"The statement said that they carried out the operations after they found out that (Israeli) Mossad agents were working at the synagogues," he said.

At least 23 people were killed and more than 300 wounded in the twin bombings.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3275853.stm

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Now this is everything but shocking

[loudnclear]

13. So, al-qaeda tries some "targeted assassinations" of their own.

I do belive that al-qaeda is behind the bombings in Turkey and I believe them when they said they were not responsible for the bombings at the UN compound or Riyadah. I don't believe that they would blow up Muslims at prayers. I do believe that anti-Islamics would bomb Muslims at prayers and have no qualms about blowing up anything in Saudi Arabia.

What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. When al-qaeda is responsible for something, I believe they claim it. I notice that when al-qaeda takes responsibility for an act of terror, the media plasters it all over the place and it makes every breaking news break. However, when they deny responsibility I can only find it in foreign newspapers and our media always sticks to the story that "al-aqaeda is BELIEVED to be responsiblility."

We have begun the spiral of civilization into oblivian.

[DuctapeFatwa]

2. All bombings are either "Al Qaeda" or US/Israeli "operations"

This is a much simpler system, really.

So much less to keep track of.

Well, yes, "Al Qaeda" is a CIA offshoot, but there's no need to mention that.

And what "pro-Western" Middle East government isn't grateful for the chance to do a little extra "interrogating" of petty thieves and dissenters, (and their families, of course), if it will help the War on Terror.

[mobuto]

4. So what you're implying is that

there is absolutely no terrorism in the Muslim world. That Wahabbi extremist wackos are not capable of hating the United States or inflicting harm on us without our consent. That nobody would want to attack a synagogue anywhere. Yes, all anti-Semitism, all anti-Americanism, all terrorism is cooked up in a Pentagon cloak-room.

[DuctapeFatwa]

5. I don't think "Wahabis" are the only people who hate the US

At this point, there are more people around the world whose lives have been impacted negatively by US policies and "operations" and whatnot than improved.

If it were possible to do a universal poll, I bet you would find a lot more people who would like to do harm to the US than who think it is just spiffycheeze.

Al Qaeda are not the only "operatives" called on by the US to sparkle things up here and there. Think of it like mom-n-pop stores and Wal-Mart. Or a free-lance progger who codes a Killer App. You get more money doing it for the big boys.

As for anti-Semitism, the US, in the guise of being Israel's "friend" has fucked the Israeli people over royally, and actively encourages people from Baghdad to Birmingham to associate Jews with US-funded crimes against humanity typical of a plain old European invasion of an ancient land.

It is hard to imagine anything more anti-Semitic than that.

[leesa]

10. Why the knee-jerk reaction of calling someone a terroristwho responds

the atrocities caused by the US and Israel? Why are they terrorists and the US and Israel are not? The US and Israel have killed many more people with their bombs and guns and jet strikes.

[mouse7]

17. Remember that big Arab terrorist attack in OK City?

Well... we were told it was a big Arab Terrorist attack for sure for quite a while.

Until an investigation has been properly conducted, you can't say who or what is responsible for anything. Please don't convict anyone in the media before said investigation is completed. McVeigh would never have been apprehended for OK City in the current environment in this country.

[PsychoDad]

18. I think DF is saying...

There may well be many other factions with their own agendas at work other than Al Q and Mossad/CIA. (the favorite suspects)
The saudi people are slowly turning against the house of Saud, and there are anti-Saud factions in SA who may have been behind the bombings in SA, not just Al Q, but it works best for Bush regeme intrests to continue to blame them. Keep the terror drums beating. Same is true for Turkey. The bombers may have been targeting the synagoges, but they may have killed more muslims than jews. Not an action that will endear the bombers to the turkish muslim community.

Edited for spelling, :silly: I was edumakated in a 'merkan pubic skool

[Darranar]

6. So you think Al Qaeda doesn't exist as independent of the CIA?

I often agree with you, DTF, but here we must part ways.

Bin Laden is a highly ideological person; they do exist, not everyone is motivated by greed. His first mission was the liberation of Afghanistan from Soviet boot, and there, of course, he was helped by the CIA, who foolishly considered the enemy of their enemy their friend, regardless of his beliefs and ideology.

Bin Laden became convinced of the vileness of the US when US troops remained in Saudi Arabia after the liberation of Kuwait's oil in 1991. His relationship with the CIA died immediately.

Al Qaeda is his organization; it is not a CIA offshoot.

[DuctapeFatwa]

7. Look it up, it's not a secret. Back when the US was having its proxy war

with Russia in Afghanistan, one of their involved going around to various countries with a majority Muslim population, seeking out disillusioned young men who were fed up with conditions under the iron regimes of their dollaho dictators, some so much so that they sincerely desired a return of the Caliphate, and recruiting them to go to Afghanistan to fight the godless Russians.

Working on that project was one of Osama bin Laden's first assignemnts for the Agency.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, assets that had been utilized in Afghanistan were reassigned to other projects.

Of course today, the term "Al Qaeda" is used to cover anyone who opposes or resists the bush regime and the PNAC strategies.

"Al Qaeda," they say, has "mutated..."

Are there individuals, even groups, independent of any covert US or Israel ties who sincerely believe that blowing up synagogues or anything else is a good strategy for bringing back the Caliphate?

Yes, of course, however, just like the mom-n-pop retailers or the free-lance progger, they have been all but subsumed into the Walmartization of what we used to call "terrorism" back before bush redefined the term.

[Darranar]

8. And is it not true that some of those "assets"...

could have gotten angry at the US?

[DuctapeFatwa]

9. yes, and some small retailers are angry at Wal-Mart, but that doesn't mean

that they can afford to import cheap T-shirts from China :)

[Darranar]

14. You mean cheap T-shirts produced by essential slave labor, I assume?

In factories where the workers often fall victim to preventable fires?

Yes, it's off-topic, but if we want to talk about money and greed...

[DuctapeFatwa]

15. yes, exactly, and money and greed is what we are talking about

While just as there are doubtless individuals who are completely sincere and motivated purely by ideology in their quest for Khilafah as the answer to US terrorism, and there are in the US some bush regime loyalists who are sincerely motivated by a conviction that God has chosen bush to bring Jesus back, herald in the Rapture, and cast the Jews into a lake of fire, the people who utilize them both are motivated by a desire to see additional revenues generated to a place where they can reach them.

It is not possible to know for sure, at least not for me :) who does what when and where, but it is safe to assume that sloppy, inefficient stuff like lobbing bubble-gum and bobby-pin garage missiles at settlements is likely the effort of a sincere amateur, but simultaneuously blowing up two high-profile synagogues in a country that seems to be in a constant state of vacillation over just how much of its sovereignty it will sell for a dollar is most likely not.

[9215]

19. Bin Laden has been "depicted" as an idealogical

person. People that blow up babies are, at best, primarily sick and ideological second. The Bin Laden's have been buddies of the Bushies for decades. I think ObL is a either a blind idiot being manipulated by the CIA or in it with them with the latter being most likely.

[Jack Rabbit]

3. No surprise here

Like the embassy bombings in East Africa and the 9/11 attacks, this was a co-ordinated attack on two separate targets designed to impact simultneously or nearly so.

Those are al Qaida's fingerprints.

[CaptainMidnight]

11. Hold it you two! (Shimmer is a dessert topping AND a floor polish!)

YOU'RE BOTH RIGHT!

Al Qaeda, created by the CIA in Afghanistan as part of Zbig's "Afghan Trap" employed bin Laden as their Golden Boy.

We're asked to believe in the mostly fictional phenom known as "blowback."

Money makes the world go 'round. More specifically, GOD = Gold Oil Drugs.

The US and the CIA have always been Al Qaeda's best sponsors/customers/bosses. Theyr'e asking us to believe that they "turned against" their biggest financial beneficiary because "they hate our freedoms."

Sorry, I don't buy it. Religious convictions aside, it's money, money, money.

Sure, there are terrorists, Muslims, and orgs out there that want us dead. But Al Qaeda, as a vast web of "cells" all over the world and USA is largely a myth.

Hmmmmmm....so......"Al Qaeda" bombs Turkey right after Turkey rejects Bush's request/bribe/demand that they send in Turkish troops, which would only inflame Muslim/Arab/terrorist hatred it they indeed did send in their troops.

How awfully nice of AQ, to "punish" Turkey for their refusal to help Bush. Much like how awfully nice of AQ to send Anthrax to that photo editor of the Sun who humiliated the Bush Family by publishing those pix of the twins cavorting drunk on the floor of that bar. How awfully nice of AQ to crash planes into the WTC, thusly setting in motion a "War on Terror" that "won't end in our lifetimes," thusly enabling Dick Cheney's HALLIBURTON, The Bush Cartel's CARLYLE GROUP, and George Schultz's BECHTEL to rake in billions and ultimatley TRILLIONS of dollars. How awfully nice of AQ to continually provide excuses for The Bush Cartel, er uh, I mean "America" to go around seizing the largest remaining oil reserves on the planet.

Face Facts: AL QAEDA = EMMANUEL "1984" GOLDSTEIN or "Snowball" (ANIMAL FARM)

Captain Mike

[DuctapeFatwa]

12. LOL and guess what? "Al Qaeda" just threatened Tokyo

just as da Rumster was getting all pouty there in Japan about their reluctance to sacrifice blood and treasure to help the Crusade to defend Halliburton's freedom to have another really spectacular quarterly report :P

[hel]

16. Turkey did not refuse..

latest US request for troops, though. US Iraqi Governing Council and the Kurds refused Turkish troops and Bremer couldn't keep them quiet.

AQ might punish Turkey and has threatened Turkey many times in the past. Turkey is a secular democratic state, and quite the opposite of what Bin Laden preaches. Turks are not liked by Arabs, and has never been throughout history. Turkey has active synagogues and a small but mostly happy Jew population. And most importantly, Turkey is an ally of both US and Israel.

And Turkey has its own Islamists terrorists, many organizations in fact (Remember, one of them claimed responsibility for the latest bombings at first). Most of them are supported by Iran, Turkey claims.

Islamist terror is nothing new to us, we didn't first learn of it through 9/11 or AQ. Now, it is called "international terror" and blamed on AQ, I don't know if it's true but I tend to believe it; I believe the latest attacks were the work of Turkish terrorists with the support from AQ. As some stated above, it's all about money, after all. The attacks were better organized and more daring than what "our own" terrorists have accomplished in the past ever..