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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:49 PM
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Oregon Congressman Sends Letter To President Bush On Preemptive Military..

http://www.phoenixoregonnews.com/articles/index.cfm?artOID=329964&cp=11024

Oregon Congressman Sends Letter To President Bush On Preemptive Military Strikes Against Iran

WASHINGTON, DC - U.S. Congressman Peter DeFazio will send a letter to President Bush reminding him that he is constitutionally bound to seek congressional approval before making any preemptive military strikes against Iran. DeFazio is circulating the letter to other members of Congress seeking additional support.

Recent news reports, including a report by Seymour Hersh, who won a Pulitzer Prize for uncovering the My Lai massacre, have indicated that the administration is planning a military action against them.

DeFazio will also introduce a resolution expressing the sense of the Congress that the President cannot initiate military action against Iran without congressional authorization. He is seeking additional support among other House members for the resolution as well. The text of the letter is included below:

read letter @ link
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adarling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:52 PM
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1. well i am glad someone is taking their job seriously
why are no other members of congress going nuts about this except this guy and John Kerry?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:52 PM
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2. Interesting. This guy must not ever want to have his picture
taken eating cake with bushie**
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:52 PM
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3. It's Worth A Try
At least this way, Congress avoids the International Criminal Court, and Bush & Co can't say they didn't know they were breaking any laws.....
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Fun Doom Mentalist Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:54 PM
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4. if every Congressman would just take the time to do this !!!!!
PETER DeFAZIO
:yourock:
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TriMetFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:54 PM
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5. I vote for DeFazio and I think he is a good guy.
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 12:55 PM by TriMetFan
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:14 PM
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6. I vote for him too, and he is a great guy...I wish there were more
like him in congress..
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:22 PM
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14. I have voted for him and campaigned for him
I've also met and spoken w/him on several occasions. My DeFazio file is an inch thick and through his correspondence, I've learned so much.

He listens to and fights for his constituents.

He needs to be cloned.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:18 PM
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7. I wish I could. I got Wu
He talks alot about saving the salmon... big on science and education. But he's pretty quiet.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:43 PM
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10. Wu's my guy as well ... I'm sort of tepid on him.
I'd love to have Pete D. represent me!
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Lefty-Taylor Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:00 PM
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19. Defazio's great. Wu's my rep as well ...
we should get together and talk -- or that's right, we're married to each other. (Hi)
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:46 PM
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23. Hi Snookums!
:blush:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:14 PM
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26. Welcome to DU, Lefty-Taylor! I see you have
'connections'!
:hi:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:46 PM
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29. Wu's crossover to the Republicans amounted to the deciding vote
on the medicare Part D scam. He also voted for the bankruptcy bill. Considering the lame opposition he has this year, he'll probably win again- but he'll do it without my support- or my vote.

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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:03 PM
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13. I'll second that one. He is the best, and a rare creature
in D.C.
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TriMetFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:42 PM
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17. All are guy's and women are Great except Smith.
He has gone way to the right. I call him all the time and bitch about what F*cked up job he has done! I'm so glad that he is not planning on running again.
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:29 PM
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8. Every Person on DU
Should be asking their Senators and Representatives to sign on to this letter. And if they will not sign on, then why not?

For those unwilling to sign, does their unwillingness stem from a desire to "preserve the President's options"?
Let them know that the Constitution has already taken certain options off the table!



From the DeFazio letter:

As you know, Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution grants Congress the power "to declare war," to lay and collect taxes to "provide for the common defense" and general welfare of the United States, to "raise and support armies," to "provide and maintain a navy," to "make rules for the regulation for the land and naval forces," to "provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions," to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia," and to "make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution...all...powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States." Congress is also given exclusive power over the purse. The Constitution says, "No money shall be drawn from the Treasury but in consequence of appropriations made by law."

By contrast, the sole war powers granted to the Executive Branch through the President can be found in Article II, Section 2, which states, "The President shall be the Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into actual Service of the United States..."

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:33 PM
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9. Idiot Son has 90 days to make war
Do away with the War Powers Act.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:55 PM
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11. DeFazio Rocks
There are certain representatives who truly stick to their principles and also are sharp, hence little gets by them.

DeFazio is one of those guys.

I sure hope he gets somewhere.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:55 PM
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12. "Preemptive" versus "Preventative" war -- people keep confusing the terms!
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 01:56 PM by htuttle
Preemptive war, as defined by International Law, is actually legal. However, an attack is ONLY considered 'preemptive' if you attack your enemy IN THE PROCESS OF ATTACKING YOU. A good example of this would be if the carrier force at Pearl Harbor had sent out fighter planes to intercept the Japanese fleet just before they attacked in 1941. And according to the UN on this point, if you do engage in a truly 'preemptive' attack, you cannot use the opportunity to roll over the rest of your enemy's country -- you have to stop after you stop the attack upon you (At that point the war is no longer 'preemptive'). You then have to immediately take the matter to the UN Security Council.

Preventative war is considered illegal under all versions of International Law. Preventative war is what Bush SAID he was waging in Iraq (though even his stated case for that statutorily illegal act was thin...). There is no way to legally justify preventative war, no matter what the stated reasons (cf. Nuremberg Tribunal transcripts). An example of this, other than Iraq, would be if a leader attacked a country because they thought it MIGHT attack in the future, even though there is no contention that they are ABOUT TO attack.

There's a big difference in what is legally implied in the two terms, and especially Congresspersons should become aware of this. Few would argue that any country has the right to attack someone that is JUST ABOUT to attack them (and the UN charter says this falls under Article 51). Arguing that a country has the right to attack someone that JUST MIGHT attack them in the future is a non-starter, legally -- there is no possible justification.

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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:26 PM
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15. Pete is one of the best if not THE best
He is what I miss most about living in Eugene. Great guy that gets out with the people and tools around in a '63 Dodge Dart.
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nancyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:33 PM
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16. DeFazio...good for him.
As an Oregonian who has voted for him many times...I am proud that he at least has a spine and isn't afraid to demonstrate it, as compared to most all of his co-horts. What on earth are they all waiting for????
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:09 PM
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18. Props to DeFazio, but I don't think moron* gives two about anyone
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 03:10 PM by Javaman
but himself.

and frankly, since his poll numbers are in the toilet, I think he will screw us by going for broke and authorizing the attack without telling anyone.

He knows that the house and the senate are going Dem in the fall. His impeachment is all but assured.

I fear one morning we will all wake to find a glowing Iran. :cry:
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:05 PM
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20. Peter DeFazio rocks my socks.
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 07:07 PM by BlueIris
He's good people. I wish he wanted a different job here...like governor, after my beloved Ted Kulongoski's done with his second term (and to the Ted haters on this board, save your hostile comments, please, I'm not in the mood today)...or senator...
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GregW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:17 PM
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21. Proud Eugenian here!
Proud to have PDF as my local congress-critter.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:46 PM
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22. DeFazio is truly underrated
Being from Oregon, I know about him, but most don't. Believe me, if you knew more about him, you'd want him to represent you in Congress, too. He's that good.

Watch this guy. He won't disappoint. When the Democrats take back the House, you'll see.

He's practically the ghost of Wayne Morse.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:51 PM
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24. Hell, I'll just post the whole letter from his website
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 07:52 PM by Steve_DeShazer
April 13, 2006


The Honorable George W. Bush
President
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20500

Dear President Bush:

We are concerned by the growing number of stories that your Administration is planning for military action against Iran. We are writing to remind you that you are constitutionally bound to seek congressional authorization before launching any preventive military strikes against Iran.

As you know, Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution grants Congress the power "to declare war," to lay and collect taxes to "provide for the common defense" and general welfare of the United States, to "raise and support armies," to "provide and maintain a navy," to "make rules for the regulation for the land and naval forces," to "provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions," to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia," and to "make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution...all...powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States." Congress is also given exclusive power over the purse. The Constitution says, "No money shall be drawn from the Treasury but in consequence of appropriations made by law."

By contrast, the sole war powers granted to the Executive Branch through the President can be found in Article II, Section 2, which states, "The President shall be the Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into actual Service of the United States…"

Your Administration has argued that this "Commander-in-Chief" clause grants the President wide latitude to engage U.S. military forces abroad without prior authorization from Congress. You further argue that previous unilateral actions by presidents of both political parties add credence to your interpretation of the U.S. Constitution.

Contrary to your Administration’s broad reading, nothing in the history of the "Commander-in-Chief" clause suggests that the authors of the provision intended it to grant the Executive Branch the authority to engage U.S. forces in military action whenever and wherever it sees fit without any prior authorization from Congress. The founders of our country intended this power to allow the President to repel sudden attacks and immediate threats, not to unilaterally launch, without congressional approval, large-scale preventive military actions against foreign threats that are likely years away from materializing. With respect to Iran, according to the most definitive U.S. intelligence report, Iran is likely a decade away from developing a nuclear weapon. Even the most pessimistic analysis by outside experts puts the timeline at least three years away, but that's only if everything in Iran's development program proceeds flawlessly, which would defy the history of nuclear programs around the world, including Iran's.

The architects of the U.S. Constitution were well aware of government models, like the monarchy in Great Britain, which vested the power to go to war with the head of state. Instead, the Founding Fathers made a conscious decision to grant the solemn war-making powers to the Legislative Branch. The intent of the authors of the U.S. Constitution is clear.

In the Federalist Paper Number 69, while comparing the lesser war-making power of the U.S. president versus the King of Great Britain, Alexander Hamilton wrote, "...the President is to be commander-in-chief of the Army and Navy of the United States. In this respect his authority would be nominally the same with that of the King of Great Britain, but in substance much inferior to it. It would amount to nothing more than the supreme command and direction of the military and naval forces, as first General and admiral of the Confederacy; while that of the British king extends to the declaring of war and to raising and regulating of fleets and armies, all which, by the Constitution under consideration, would appertain to the legislature."

James Madison declared that it is necessary to adhere to the "fundamental doctrine of the Constitution that the power to declare war is fully and exclusively vested in the legislature."

In 1793, President George Washington, when considering how to protect inhabitants of the American frontier, instructed his Administration that "no offensive expedition of importance can be undertaken until after have deliberated upon the subject, and authorized such a measure."

In 1801, Thomas Jefferson sent a small squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean to protect against possible attacks by the Barbary powers. He told Congress that he was "unauthorized by the Constitution, without the sanction of Congress, to go beyond the line of defense." He further noted that it was up to Congress to authorize "measures of offense also."

While presidents in the latter half of the 20th Century have initiated military action without prior authorization by Congress, "everybody does it" is not a legitimate defense to ignore the plain words of the U.S. Constitution, the clear intent of the authors of the U.S. Constitution, and more than 150 years of legal precedent.

We also want to go on record that the Authorization of Force Resolution (Public Law 107-40) approved by Congress to go after those responsible for the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on our country does not, explicitly or implicitly, extend to authorizing military action against Iran over its nuclear program. The legislation specifically says, "The President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations, or persons." There is no evidence that Iran was involved in the September 11, 2001, attacks. Nor is there any evidence that Iran harbored those who were responsible for the attacks.

Further, the Authorization of Force Resolution (Public Law 107-243) approved by Congress to go to war with Iraq does not extend to military action against Iran over its nuclear program. This resolution only authorized you to "(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq." Like P.L. 107-40, there is no explicit or implicit authorization on the part of Congress in P.L. 107-243 that would allow you to attack Iran without first coming to Congress to seek a new authorization.

When asked about reports of your administration planning for war with Iran, you said on April 10, 2006, "It doesn't mean force, necessarily. In this case, it means diplomacy." We agree with the focus on diplomacy. But, we want to be clear, should you decide that force is necessary, seeking congressional authority prior to taking military action against Iran is not discretionary. It is legally and constitutionally necessary.

Sincerely,

PETER DeFAZIO
Member of Congress

on edit add link: http://www.house.gov/defazio/041306GVRelease.shtml
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:58 PM
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25. DeFazio kicks ass!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:25 PM
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27. Who's to say Congress wouldn't give him authority?
Nice try though.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:31 PM
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28. Keep an eye on this.
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 11:32 PM by Zhade
We'll be able to gauge who is for the insanity of attacking ANOTHER country unprovoked, and who isn't.

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