Kamehameha admissions policy upheld

[The Sushi Bandit]

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2003/Nov/17/br/br02p.html

Honolulu Advertiser Staff - News Alert

A federal judge today tossed out a challenge to Kamehameha Schools admissions policy which gives preferences to Hawaiians, saying the policy does not violate a federal anti-discrimination law so long as it has a narrowly defined, legitimate justification.

U.S. District Judge Alan Kay said the school's admissions policy seeks to address the cultural and socio-economic disadvantages that have beset Hawaiians since the 1893 overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy.

[thebigidea]

1. Goku was unavailable for comment

[La_Serpiente]

2. WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO

That is MY ALMA MATER!!!!! Thank goodness they survived the Court Challenge.

THREE CHEERS FOR KAMEHAMEHA!!!!



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[45th Med]

14. I support Kam School's admission policy.

I went to Kam School all the way up til High School. Then my dad was transferred to Germany and I graduated there.

Kam School is an institution for Hawaiians and it should stay that way.

Did that little girl, who was not of Hawaiian descent have to find another school? It's not fair to Hawaiians when people who don't meet the admission requirements of at least 1% Hawaiian blood to have others ruin it on legal/moral grounds. It is there for a reason and meant to help Hawaiians learn about their culture.

[dArKeR]

3. Why do I feel happy but then does this open the door for White Only

Schools? Some things are to complex for me to understand! Maybe that's why it's so important to have an honest/moral Judiciary. Unforntunately the Supreme Court's GOP Whores have destroyed that concept.

There's a terrible cancer in the United States. And hasn't been stopped like it was supposed to be in the 70s. Not much has changed between the races. I feel there should be no questions asked about races on documents in America. The Media Whores should not refer to anyone by race. (First black golfer...) It only continues the idea to label someone as different physically and mentally by the color of their skin. I know adults have forgotten they were once children. Children watching the boob tube from birth absorb this information and the cycle continues.

I would make this ruling too but I don't know how I'd justify it. Because why couldn't White Saxons have a right to preserve their heritage?

If the world was fair then cultural groups are good.

But it seems that dark skinned people are thought of as stupid and criminals. But if you can't get a job, always looked down on, aren't treated fairly, don't have the opportunity for education, don't have the money, don't have security in your neighborhood... when does the cycle end?

I started looking for a home to purchase. I found out that safety is a multiple of money. For 20K I can expect to be shot once a week. For 30K once a month. For 40K once 1/2 year. For 50K once a year... This is so disgraceful for America!!! How can a child born into this recover?

[DoNotRefill]

21. I have a rough time approving segregationist victories...

regardless of who is advocating it.

If a school in the South decided to "maintain their heritage" by excluding everybody not sufficiently white, there'd be an uproar here like you wouldn't believe.

We're supposed to be working towards a race-neutral society, where everybody is judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. This strikes me as a step backwards from that goal.

[dArKeR]

23. Yes, but you can't deny/ignore the terrible white racism on minorities

that still exists to this day. From the time I became aware of racism as a child, 30 years ago, I honestly don't think, no I'm sure, nothing has really improved for minorities except the undeniable athletic ability which, in my opinion, is 60% mental toughness.

When I go back to visit kids I grew up with they still used the same words they did 30 years ago, niggers, coons, shines... Even in major corporations I've worked in I hear this kind of thing between friends. Yes there are a few black managers now, a few hispanic, you'll get in a little trouble if you yell 'nigger' from a podium but has anything really really changed for the 90%?

[DoNotRefill]

24. And how does having...

racial prerequisites for school admission help that?

It's WRONG to use race as the sole litmus test for school admission. It perpetuates the fallacy of "separate but equal".

How would you feel about a school just for blacks, just for jews, just for whatever?

I'm not downplaying racism. I categorically OPPOSE it REGARDLESS of who is doing it.

Let me ask you this: Suppose this school assigned preferences based upon the purity of the bloodlines? If a "pure-blood" had a better chance of admission than a "half-breed"? Wouldn't that upset you? It would upset me...

I'd never, EVER send my kid to a school that uses race as the only basis of admittance.

[northzax]

27. well, been to a yeshiva lately?

not a lot of catholics going to yeshiva, and catholic schools can refuse admission to non-catholics (as long as they're consistent) Baptist schools can refuse admission to non-baptists. Kameameha is a private institution, founded with the remnants of the Hawaiian royal fortune, for the education of hawaiians. I have no problem with that.

[freethought23]

4. This decision will be appealed, and this racist admissions policy...

will be overturned. Count on it.

[KamaAina]

5. By who? The Felonious Five again?

just like in Rice v. Cayetano which opened the door to non-Hawaiians not only voting for, but even running for, trustee of the Office of Hawaiian Affairs (OHA).

The state won at every single appellate level all the way up through the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Then the black-robed forces of evil known as the Extreme Court got involved. Care to guess what happened there? (Hint: Hawaiians took it on the chin.)

So if you're counting on the Felonious Five to strip away every last thing from every American who isn't white, fine.

As to it being a "racist" admissions policy, bear in mind that Native Hawaiians are an indigenous people, not a racial group per se. A quick trip around Kamehameha's Kapalama Heights campus will demonstrate this. There are, of course, students who "look Hawaiian". Many of their classmates look Chinese, and yes, even haole (Caucasian). In fact, Caucasian-Hawaiians may well be the majority up there. The only reason that Hawaiians aren't recognized as an indigenous group, like American Indians, is that (surprise!) a few ultra-right-wing Repuke Senators have held up the "Akaka Bill" in Congress.

[freethought23]

6. The admissions policy is based on Hawaiian ancestry. Thaat's racism.

Call it what you like. And call me what you like. And call the Supreme Court anything you want. It's discrimination based on race. That's how the Court will rule and they'll be right.

[DrWeird]

7. I have to be american in order to vote.

Is that racist?

[freethought23]

8. You are aptly named...,

Dr. Weird. :)

[opihimoimoi]

9. I always thought why stop at high school?

The Kamehameha School System should include college for those wishing a higher level of education. The Kamehameha University should be a Reality, not a dream

[newyawker99]

12. Hi freethought23!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[45th Med]

20. You Like go Kam Schoo' or sumting?

Eh Brah, you no like Da Kine?

Does this mean that you are against the Hawaiian Housing Project too because it discriminates? You have to be at least 50% Hawaiian blood to qualify for housing in these areas.

While I am only 1/8th Hawaiian blood, that means I don't qualify. Does that upset me? Absolutely not! Does that upset you? I bet it does.....

[freethought23]

25. If you talk like that....

I can see why racial discrimination doesn't upset you. You are too dumb for anything to upset you. :)

[mainer]

Their racial policies are actually pretty lenient

I think you only need 1/16 Hawaiian blood to be admitted. That's pretty dilute!

Isn't Kam. a completely privately funded school, supported by income from the Hawaiian land trusts? I was under the impression that private schools could set their own admissions policies. (i.e., Bob Jones University doesn't have to take you if you're gay, for instance? And private women's colleges don't have to take you if you're male?) Does that reasoning apply here?

I think to fully understand Kam schools, you have to understand the long history of racial discrimination and oppression experienced by the hawaiian people, who saw their land, their sovereignty, and their queen stolen from them.

[mainer]

10. Their racial policies are actually pretty lenient

I think you only need 1/16 Hawaiian blood to be admitted. That's pretty dilute!

Isn't Kam. a completely privately funded school, supported by income from the Hawaiian land trusts? I was under the impression that private schools could set their own admissions policies. (i.e., Bob Jones University doesn't have to take you if you're gay, for instance? And private women's colleges don't have to take you if you're male?) Does that reasoning apply here?

I think to fully understand Kam schools, you have to understand the long history of racial discrimination and oppression experienced by the hawaiian people, who saw their land, their sovereignty, and their queen stolen from them.

[freethought23]

13. Kam School gets a federal tax exemption worth 100's of millions of dollars

If the school discriminates on the basis of race, creed, color or place of national origin, then it is in violation of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Even "diluted" 1/16 Hawaiian "blood quantum" is racial discrimination.

This gives the Supreme Court more than ample grounds for doing the right thing and overturning the recent ruling in favor of Kam school, which it will certainly do.

[45th Med]

15. You don't understand....

Kam School is a legacy left to Hawaiians by the Bishop Trust. It is a private institution, not a public one. You cannot get into a Catholic school without being Catholic, why would someone who isn't Catholic want to goto a Private Catholic School anyways? Same is true for Kam School. Why would a non-Hawaiian want to goto a Private Hawaiian school without meeting the admissions requirement. I'm sorry to say, people who are trying to gain admittance to Kam School are just trying to take advantage of the institution, nothing more. They have no interest in learning Hawaiian culture or even in Hawaii itself. Hawaiians have been trampled on like the Indians since the overthrow of Queen Liliokalani, this is just another attempt to take advantage of Hawaiians.

Kam School is for HAWAIIANS, not people who WANNABE Hawaiian.

[freethought23]

16. No, YOU don't understand

Kam discrimination is based on RACE. Private institutions that receive federal money can't do this.

And besides, Bernice's will didn't say "children of Hawaiian ancestry." It said, "children of Hawaii." The crooked Bishop Estate, some of whose Trustees are now serving prison terms for their misfeasance, malfeasance, non-feasance and embezzlement, has interpreted the will in a racist way, while pocketing millions.

[45th Med]

19. Once again, it is YOU who does not understand.....

Kam School does NOT receive federal funds anymore. You are SOOOOO wrong there!

Are you even Hawaiian? Why are you changing subject to the Board of Trustees? NO, they have not acted in the best interest of the Hawaiian children....many of them are not even Hawaiian! It is a SHAME that these people got away with cheating the people of Hawaii out of so much money, it's just a continuation of everything that has gone against Hawaiians since the OVERTHROW.

Boy Scouts of America accepts Federal Funds but they won't allow Gays to join, but I have nothing against that either! BSA is, once again, a private institution and if they don't want Gays to join, that is their perogative.

[freethought23]

26. No you REALLY don't understand.

Kam School gets 100's of millions in tax breaks as a charitable trust.

You ask me if I am Hawaiian. What difference does that make? This isn't Kam school. I don't have to be Hawaiian to be here.

[Goldenboy]

22. Correction on Catholic schools

Actually, many non-Catholic students do go to Catholic schools. However, given that space is limited, the ones who are members of the parish usually will get preference in admissions.

[Zech Marquis]

11. I thought someone was trying to be funny here

since when did Goku EVER go to school :evilgrin: he grew up in the backwoods man! perhaps the school should adopt master Roshi as their mascot--chasing all the cheerleaders of course LOL

[oasis]

17. Judge ruling says policy is remedial, not racist. Can't argue with

someone who knows the case history AND the law.

[freethought23]

18. Someone will argue the case before the Supremes.

Watch them overturn this judge, and with my blessing.