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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:48 PM
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ABC News: Rush is being investigated in Florida for money laundering
in connection with his drug buys. 30 to 40 withdrawals just under 10 thousand dollars.
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Homer12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:50 PM
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1. When he's convited, then he'll be a hypocrite.
That's his logic I'm using.
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Adamocrat Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 08:53 PM
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45. Nope...
He'll be pardoned. Jeb will pardon the sack of slime. We all know it.
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Oberst Klink Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #45
100. He wasn't Laundering Money - He was a buyer
A buyer does not have ill gotten gain to launder.
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:37 PM
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103. By buying he is complicent in the seller evading taxes on illegal gains
read the post I put up with the money laundering statute, it's quite clear as to his breaking the law.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:06 PM
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104. Possession of that many pills = Intent To DISTRIBUTE
They have him on this if they want to pursue it. Ask any cop what can happen if you get caught with hundreds of pills, especially addicitve ones.

Plus, some guy just had to give up his whole lottery winnings because he was found guilty of a drug charge and the government took the winnings as an asset. What about Rush's assets? Are they up for grabs now, or does Fla's laws protect him?
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:50 PM
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2. OOOOOKAY LETS GO
S-C-R-E-W-E-D RUSH RUSH, RUUUUUUUUSH IIIIIIIIS SCREEEEEEEEEEEEWED
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:54 PM
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33. Yea, we'll see
if it happens. Don't jump with glee just yet. You know they'll probalby let Rush off the hook. There's rules for THEM and then there's rules for the rest of us poor blokes.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:50 PM
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3. key words in this case are "in Florida"
rich white repubes tend to avoid trouble in that state

still, I can't resist an :evilgrin:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:51 PM
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4. LINK
this is way too important
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:52 PM
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7. This was just announced on ABC news...
Peter Jennings' show, of course!
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:51 PM
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5. Fat chance...
he'll be convicted of anything. :evilgrin:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:51 PM
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6. I knew I shouldn't have watched NBC News
NBC wastes so much time on health news...

Anyway, yes, such charges may be difficult to ignore. Buying drugs illegally is one thing, financial hanky panky is another.

Here's hoping for a story with legs...
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 08:41 PM
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40. You mean real news rather than
celebrity tripe about this Rush fellow whoever he is?(
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:52 PM
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8. He Can Buy Drugs All He Wants
Just don't f**k with Jeb's dough.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:52 PM
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9. no, he was addicted to withdrawals
or was that withdrawing from addiction . . .
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:55 PM
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10. Well all I can say is
Edited on Tue Nov-18-03 06:55 PM by Langis
Ha! Cheers to that :toast:
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:57 PM
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11. Video available on ABC news website as a premium
I will not pay for news. I'll wait till it goes to text.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:57 PM
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12. Can't find a link on ABC or google news outlet
Hope Rush is bury on this one!
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. this link/World news tonight- need Real one pass ($4.95 month)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:54 AM
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72. You don't need a Real One pass for $4.95 a month. I'm on dial up with
a Real One Player and it's free! Had no trouble getting on the site and reading the article and could have downloaded the audio of Rush's show, but didn't want to hear him.

Why are you paying $4.95 a month? You must have MP3 options you are paying for. Is that it?
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kanrok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:01 PM
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14. Holy Cow
The fat turd is "Smurfing"!!! Why on earth would a guy with his dough do such a thing? It's not like he needs the money.
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:01 PM
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15. Come on, everybody do The Wave!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:54 PM
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62. Do I see those men with their joint hanging and sporting a woody?
After looking closely it may be the hand or hands I see.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:04 PM
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16. Oxydittos !
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:06 PM
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17. Chickens are coming home to roost.
And here Howard Kurtz did a piece on Limbaugh today that proclaimed that RL was unrepentant. PREPARE TO REPENT, Buster.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:11 PM
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18. That's $10,000 each friggin time
Either this is old news or very new news. It looks like an ABC exclusive so far.

Money Matters
Authorities Eye Whether Rush Limbaugh Laundered Money Used to Pay for Drugs

By Brian Ross

Nov. 18 - Radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh may have violated state money-laundering laws in the way he handled the money he used to buy the prescription drugs to which he was addicted, law enforcement officials in Florida and New York told ABCNEWS.

A conviction on such charges in Florida would be a first-degree felony, punishable by up to 30 years in prison.

<snip>

Authorities say they became aware two years ago, during an investigation of New York bank US Trust, that Limbaugh had taken between 30 and 40 cash withdrawals from his account in amounts just under $10,000.

Banks must file a report to the government if someone withdraws more than $10,000 at once.


http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/rush_limbaugh_031118-1.html
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:56 PM
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34. This is serious news.
Two years ago! Two years ago!

Authorities say they became aware two years ago, during an investigation of New York bank US Trust, that Limbaugh had taken between 30 and 40 cash withdrawals from his account in amounts just under $10,000.
--snip--

Limbaugh's lawyers confirm that as part of US Trust's service, a bank employee personally delivered cash to Limbaugh at his New York studio in amounts of $9,900 or so.

--snip--
Limbaugh's lawyers say it was US Trust that suggested the arrangement. In July 2001 the bank paid a $10 million fine because of the Limbaugh transactions and many others like it. "

==
This is unbelievable! How did bank auditors not act on this?

Drawing amounts right under $10,000.00 proves Limbaugh was bypassing the Currency Transaction Reports bank must file. He knew what he was doing. And the bank PAID a fine for him!

Want to take some "personal responsibility", Rush?


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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 08:48 PM
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44. An average of 35 withdrawals x an average of $9700
equals an average of $340K. And that was TWO YEARS AGO. How much has he withdrawn SINCE then? And what about all those extra pills he bought? He's too alive to have taken them all. If he's hoarding them, where are they? Were they used to do a little EXTRA money laundering for the GOP?

Does anyone know where Rush is, by the way? I would think the state of Florida would have a warrant waiting.


rocknation
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:32 PM
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50. I'm pretty sure....
he's back in Florida. Out of curiosity, I listened to him babble for a little while yesterday and it announced his show coming from an EIB studio in Florida.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 10:05 AM
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90. Earlier This Week, He Said He Was in New York
What he said yesterday was that he did NOT broadcast from his home in Florida, because that would be a violation of local laws. Instead, he normally broadcasts from a nearby facility.

I'm assuming that this week, he's broadcasting from WABC's studios in NYC. He may be afraid to return to Florida.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:01 AM
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73. Didn't Rush know about the law? This sounds like an Asscroft Law to me..
Edited on Wed Nov-19-03 01:02 AM by KoKo01
and I still wonder why someone who has that much money and takes out those amounts should be monitored. I don't think they were watching Kozlowski of Tyco or Ken Lay! Maybe Rush wasn't as wired in with the "big boys" as we thought. I guess they all hide their transactions in
Burmuda or the Cayman Islands, where Shrubby's law enforcement agents still can't get at them, because they don't want to.

How many of our "High Rolling CEO's and Money Market Fund and Hedge Fund Managers are on "pain killers for their aching backs" but their bank accounts obviously aren't being checked. Geeze I almost feel sorry for Rush having the Feds watching his "Bank America Account." If I didn't know what an arrogant SOB he was! He thought he was above the law playing with a Florida Bank. I guess once he got "marked" the Feds could peak into his private doings. Too bad the others all get away with it.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:14 PM
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19. "The needle and the damage done"
http://www.oxycontinaddiction.info/

http://www.oxycontinaddiction.info/injecting-oc.htm

The most widely used diversion technique at the street level is doctor shopping. Individuals who may or may not have a legitimate ailment requiring a doctors prescription for OxyContin visit numerous doctors, sometimes in several states, to acquire large amounts of OxyContin which they abuse or sell to others.

Individuals who abuse OxyContin by injecting the crushed tablets quickly become addicted. Injecting OxyContin requires a preparation regimen similar to that of heroin. This allows the abuser to receive the full effect of the pure Oxycodone almost immediately. This creates an effect similar to illicit opioid narcotics, such has heroin. Such a regimen requires the removal of the tablet coating by either sucking on it or scraping it with the teeth or a razor blade, followed by melting the remainder on a spoon, adding water, and then injecting the solution. Dissolving and injecting the contents of OxyContin can slow down or stop breathing and lead to death. Injecting OxyContin can also kill the tissue around the injection site and trigger heart and lung problems.


Signs of OxyContin addiction may include withdrawal symptoms when the OxyContin is discontinued, requests for OxyContin at frequent intervals around the clock, personality changes

Continued increases in the diversion and abuse of OxyContin are likely. Reliable strength, potential prescription cost coverage, and significant profit potential make OxyContin attractive to both illicit distributors and abusers.

OxyContin addiction is serious and is very difficult to overcome through out-patient or home treatment.
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. What is smurfing and what criminal penalties will he have to pay if he
is convicted? What is the worst case scenario? I am unfamilar with this type of crime.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:25 PM
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22. Jennings said up to 30 years in prison
and then he made a Limbaugh "quote" which said that (paraphrasing here)- the ones behind these charges are people that want to get me off the air.

Hahahahah Hohohohoho Hahahaha -

so now I guess that the police departments and the attorney general's offices and all of those in law enforcement have become those dratted "liberals"

LOL!
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #22
55. Yes, and the liberals held him down and forced him to take the pills...
:nopity:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #55
63. Or injecting the cooked-down form of this "heroin-like" narcotic
...
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kanrok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:39 PM
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25. Smurfing
When a drug dealer (or any other criminal) needs to "launder" money. i.e., take ill-gotten gains and convert them to usable funds, they have to be aware of a federal law that requires banks and other institutions to report to the IRS any cash transaction of $10,000 or above. "Smurfing" is engaging in a number of cash transactions, i.e., depositing money into a legitimate accout just under the threshold of 10k. Usually they'll deposit $9900.00. Drug investigators are trained to "follow the money" and will seek search warrants or grand jury subpoenas to bank accounts of targets to determine if there is any "unusual" activity afoot. "Smurfing" is a common method of avoiding governmental scrutiny initially. i.e, if a person has a number of 10k deposits they will be flagged by the IRS for investigation. Smurfing avoids the initial investigation, but once a person is a "suspect" an investigator will seek bank account information to uncover this attempt to skirt the federal reporting statute. Each state has it's own laws with respect to this activity, as do the feds. All I know is if this is true, fat boy is in a world of trouble.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:42 PM
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27. Often this "Smurfing" money falls into the hands of TERRORISTS
A least that is what Bush, and Rush himself have said...
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #25
35. Thank you. I appreciate the information. n/t.
.
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WhereIsMyFreedom Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 08:19 PM
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38. I still don't understand what law was broken
Ok, so withdrawing money like that is often used for illegal activities, but is there actually a law which prohibits someone from withdrawing $9900.00? If I go to my bank and withdraw that much (If only I had that much) did I just break a money laundering law?
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 08:42 PM
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41. I dont quite get it either
how the withdrawals equal laundering money. Unless they were on to the game and followed the money trail, flagging and tracing the bills. I mean if the bank got busted, they were on to something.

I always wondered why the initial reports of the drug use investigations went back so far, why they let it go on for years after they knew.

They are gonna nail him on the capone gig, tax evasion, money laundering, 'prolly some fraud and illegal interstate transport issues.

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tableturner Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #38
48. The illegal activity centers around.....
Edited on Tue Nov-18-03 09:20 PM by tableturner
....a person withdrawing large amounts of money in increments of under $10,000 with the express purpose of helping the drug dealer avoid paying taxes on his income. He can take, and could have taken, an infinite number of withdrawals of his money without breaking the law if he had innocently used the money in small increments, without the purposeful act of helping the receiver of the funds avoid paying taxes on the income derived from the funds. In other words, if you, while paying for large quantities of illegal drugs, use large sums of cash, which of course you would do, even cash that you have correctly reported as taxable income, so that the nature of the drug transactions remain hidden, whether from the aspect of hiding your own involvement in buying drugs, and/or from the aspect of doing this with the goal of not exposing the dealer as a dealer of drugs (and of course your goal would be to hide the exposition of both sides of the transaction as an illegal drug transaction because if the dealer is exposed as a supplier to you of illegal drugs, you are also caught as a buyer of them), then you are breaking the law. Why do people not pay for illegal drugs with a check? Because if one does so, not only can the buyer be exposed as a buyer, but the seller can be exposed as an illegal seller, plus, of course, the seller cannot report such income without risking being exposed as an illegal drug seller, and your actions help him in that regard. Thus, those acts constitute money laundering, and you are knowingly complicit in those acts. You want the seller to avoid taxes not because you care about how much the seller pays in taxes, but because you don't want him exposed as an illegal drug seller, which would expose you as an illegal drug buyer. It does not matter why you want the illegal transaction to be kept secret, if you are helping the seller hide the income via the use of cash, you have broken the law. If you use large sums of money that you have reported as taxable income to go to lawful businesses and buy goods in a manner that is documented, and thus accounted for relative to taxable income calculation and reporting, you are not breaking the law.

Edited to juxtapose two phrases for clarity.
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #48
56. Thanks for the explanation.
I was wondering, too. That makes sense. oo, I think maybe Rush may not have reached the end of his troubles, here...
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #48
60. This reminds me of how they nailed Al Capone
They changed the law so be could be charged with tax evasion even though his income was derivied illegally. Of course, admitting that his income was illegal was also a tacit confession that he was a gangster. A catch 22, indeed.


rocknation
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WhereIsMyFreedom Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 02:31 AM
Response to Reply #48
79. Ahh, it becomes clear now
Thanks.
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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:18 PM
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20. here would be a good time to use the pat act, no?
i mean, money laundering is one of those terra-ist activites, right?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #20
28. Rush has said this himself, before he was busted, at least...
...
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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:37 PM
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23. Link
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #23
37. OMG, Black has DENIED the charges, but it says NOWHERE that
CHARGES HAVE BEEN FILED! What does he know that we don't? Grand Jury?


Sniff, sniff, that smells like a plea bargain to me.
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:38 PM
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24. I like how denial is still part of the strategy

"There's no basis for these charges. He has not committed any acts of money laundering and he absolutely denies it," lawyer Roy Black told ABCNEWS. "I can assure you — and Rush assures the listeners to his radio station — when we can, we will tell the story, and he will tell it himself. Everybody will see what has really gone on here."



Think there's a plea bargain in the works?



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TryingToWarnYou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. But...
Isn't this almost the same thing said about his drug addiction/investigation?

:freak:
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #24
30. Currency Transaction Reports (30 or 40)
I'm sure Roy Black knows what that it. This is unbelievable. Just shows what big money can get by with.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. "we will tell the story, and he will tell it himself"
I would prefer that this be "under oath" and in COURT when he does tell his "story"
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 09:02 PM
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47. You got it. CTR's mandated by the feds for banks
Rushie Pillhead is too stupid to know the law. It hasn't been $10,000 for YEARS. The CTR has to be filed with the feds on currency transactions over $5,000, or a series of transactions totalling more than $5,000.

Guess he outsmarted himself.

:bounce:
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #24
31. What are prosecutors for?
:mad:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:41 PM
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26. Bush & Rush said that "deals" on this level fund TERRORISM
Remember when Rightwingers all said that even if you smoke dope, you are "funding terrorism"

I wonder if rush "Ali Baba" Limbaugh still agrees with that now???
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #26
93. I think that only applies to pot from Kentucky
I'm being sarcastic. Purchasing middle eastern heroin/opium probably does help fund terrorism. Most pot consumed in the USA is grown domestically, these days.
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Tuttle Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 08:04 PM
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36. This just keeps getting better and better!
Anyone remember the images of Clinton playing bongos? I wonder if the Big Dog is pounding the bongos over this one? I would, if I were him!

A friend at work told me about the drug thing, back when 'it' started with the racist comment and the resignation from ESPN - I suppose now that ESPN probably knew about this detail as well!

The harder they come...

Tut-tut
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 08:26 PM
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39. "I was a drug addict from about 1996, 1995 or whatever, to just five weeks
ago."

This lying sack of useless bile.

Once a drug addict - always a drug addict. Apparently "RUSH" Lieblob missed that session during his rehab. He's probably popping oxyies agains as we type:puke:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/1118limbaugh18.html
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #39
43. What is the recidivism rate for opiate addiction?
It does not sound to me like he went thru a 12 step program.

FYI, the state of Florida has been trying to crack down on all types of financial crimes, especially those involving big bucks. Why? They are easy to prove and prosecute. And the fines are lucrative, the DA gets a shiney star for his record.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #43
51. When you don't "Get Honest"? 200%...
I'll bet the other druggies were happy to see him go...

"You know WHAT, Limbaugh?? You're fuckin' FULL OF SHIT!! You're risking MY fuckin' recovery with your fuckin' BULLSHIT! Why don't you just get the fuck out of here and go OD, you big pile of SHIT!"

Yeah, I've been in on a coupla "interventions" myself...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:20 AM
Response to Reply #39
74. This article says he had the back surgery. I just heard interview where
Edited on Wed Nov-19-03 01:21 AM by KoKo01
he said he took the pain pills because he didn't want to have the back surgery. The interviewer asked him why: He said, "because it would ruin my voice." That was an interview talked about on MSNBC. I almost fell off my chair eating lunch, because the MSNBC person reported this with a straight face! Rush refused back surgery because it would hurt his "voice?" I couldn't believe that got put out on the airwaves. But, I also read he didn't have the back surgery because it was only successful on 2% of patients. I can't remember where I read it but it was just before he went into rehab.

So, what's the truth of this. Did he have back surger or not? And, why so many false stories in the legitimate media floating around as truth?

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:35 AM
Response to Reply #74
75. Ear Surgery? Tummy-Tuck?? Back-Sugery? Golf swing?? PRESCRIPTION??
I cant keep his lies straight either...

Not knowing fantasy from the truth is a tell-tale sign of chronic narcotics abuse- and it looks like the hop-head's symptoms are classic...

If it never was before, I think it is 100% safe to assume that EVERYTHING that spews from his mouth/anus is a narcotics-induced LIE.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 02:08 AM
Response to Reply #74
78. well...
since he talks out of his ass, I could see how rush might be scared to get a scalpel in his back.
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #78
88. Bwahahahaha!!!!
Good one -- LOL! :D
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 08:46 PM
Response to Original message
42. Two years ago?
Edited on Tue Nov-18-03 08:49 PM by higher class
Do most people get to live the lie that long? Do most people get to go to a rehab before they are charged? Do most people get to explain themself on their own TV program? Will he get off - what could the story of innocence be?

No laundering, huh? - maybe they will make up a new rule that says amounts withdrawn that are 9,901, 9,900 or 9,899 are exempt from prosecution. I'm sure Scalia and Rehnquist will come up with something.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. Think about it
they had known that long, they strung him out and gave him enough rope to hang himself. with a celebrity, they need a rock- solid case.The gross excess makes it harder to defend.

Here's hoping, any way
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #46
53. How long would they wait before nabbing a non-star
And how long would someone else keep their job?

Yes, I hope your're idea is a correct one. We need a blow against hypocrisy of moralist-preachers who are hypocritical.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #53
66. well, consider, now they have evidence that he was using that laundered
money for something illegal. it would have been much harder to get a conviction if there was some question about him spending the money legitimately... but in this case, he was violating the very intent of the law... to monitor illegal cash activity!
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:30 PM
Response to Original message
49. PDF on money laundering, quite interesting
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:44 PM
Response to Original message
52. Something funny...Drudge has NOTHING on his site about Rush
Is this old news?
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. No, not old, just BAD for these Reich-Wing ideologues
why piss off the sheeple before bed?
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bubba_fett Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:42 AM
Response to Reply #54
76. But didn't Drudge..
in a way break the story? He had it posted on his site that the drug story would break the next day. I heard that the night before it broke.

It's funny to think the Matt Drudge broke the story, and then filled in for Rush when he was in rehab...good lap dog...
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:46 AM
Response to Reply #76
77. Drudge filled in for Rush after he broke the story?
Why would Rush allow that- somthing is fishy if that is true...
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:43 PM
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57. Was Rush being blackmailed?
Both he and his lawyer keep dropping hints about the "truth coming out". Sounds as if they might be setting up a claim of blackmail. Even if he was using the money to buy drugs he might figure that a claim of blackmail could get him off the hook - no records after all - it comes down to his word against some drug dealer. Not only that, a blackmail claim would make him a hero to the dittoheads.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #57
61. rush is a blithering idiot. he could have raised that cash in so many less
suspicious ways. he could have purchased fine art with his legitimate money, and sold it for cash. he could have gone gambling, purchased chips with a cashier's check, and cashed out at the end of the night after losing just a little by doing a slow walk through the casino. there's a zillion methods he could have used... IT'S ALMOST AS IF HE WANTED TO BE CAUGHT. think about it. maybe he can't stand being the rushdie anymore... maybe his conscience has caught up with him... necessitating the drug frenzy... the opiated mind, to kill the mental anguish of being... rush... speaking only to the hypnotized, not to anyone who can think for themselves... a legion of idiots...

from NIN's (trent reznor) song "hurt" about destructive addiction:

what have i become?
my sweetest friend
everyone i know
goes away in the end
you could have it all
my empire of dirt
i will let you down
i will make you hurt
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mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #57
91. IN THAT case, all he had to do was
take money out in excess of $10K, which would have brought out the Feds...

He's friggin' toast!
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:45 PM
Response to Original message
58. LINK LINK LINK
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/rush_limbaugh_031118-1.html

ooh, iloveit iloveit iloveit i love the smell of money laundering in the morning... smells like... VICTORY!

------------------

Money Matters
Authorities Eye Whether Rush Limbaugh Laundered Money Used to Pay for Drugs

By Brian Ross


Nov. 18 — Radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh may have violated state money-laundering laws in the way he handled the money he used to buy the prescription drugs to which he was addicted, law enforcement officials in Florida and New York told ABCNEWS.

A conviction on such charges in Florida would be a first-degree felony, punishable by up to 30 years in prison.

Limbaugh returned to the airwaves this week after five weeks of rehabilitation for his admitted addiction to prescription painkillers.
<snip>
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #58
89. Weird - when I first used that ABC link
the banner advert at the top consisted, in its entirity, of a pulldown box, showing the word 'cocaine'. I read the article (2 pages) and went back to the first page, but the banner ad had changed.

Is ABC trying to tell us something?
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:46 PM
Response to Original message
59. He wasn't on the drugs ...He was pushing them!....The Poppy spirit!!!
Should be behind bars!!!!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #59
65. Bush: "Drug Dealers= TERRORISTS"
For once I agree with Bush!!!
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:01 AM
Response to Original message
64. Sounds as if Rush is becoming
a liability to the right wing.

Will he be a sacrifice?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:23 AM
Response to Original message
67. Wait that's a FEDERAL crime, not a penny ante drug infraction
looks like they're serious!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #67
69. actually, buying thousands of street narcotic pills is pretty serious too!
Oxycotin is basically heroin- a junkie's drug. That charge alone was serious enough.

But yeah, his dishonest financial practices seem to be in line with his drugged-out mind-set and he could be in BIG trouble...
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Tuttle Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #67
80. According to the NY Post it's a state offense
but offensive nevertheless

http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/11236.htm

Tut-tut
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #80
87. Oh my God! If it is a State offence in New York it might be prosecuted!
Rush could actually be in trouble. Wow, that changes everything, he can’t control much in NY they still enforce the law there, even against corporations and the very rich.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #67
92. If Ashcroft has anything to say about it
It will never be heard again. After all he wasn't selling bongs on the internet you know. Jeez give the poor man a break. He was after all only buying and selling narcotics with un-declared money which is what we consider to be terrorist activity. Don't we support the terrorists? That is what Rush says about us liberals anyway and lord knows someone with his impeccability could never be wrong.
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Paranoid_Portlander Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:34 AM
Response to Original message
68. This seems more like soiling, rather than laundering.
Edited on Wed Nov-19-03 12:43 AM by Paranoid_Portlander
An example of money laundering would be putting dirty drug money into something legitimate (laundering) such as real estate. In Rush's case, the money seems to be flowing in the opposite direction. It started out as a clean (debatable) bank account and then was transferred out and then allegedly soiled. Not a very bright thing to do.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #68
70. Junkies do stupid things...
...looks like every thing in his life is tainted by hard-drug use...
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:51 AM
Response to Original message
71. Money Laundering Statute (DEA website)
http://trac.syr.edu/laws/18USC1956.html

18USC1956
CITE

18 USC Sec. 1956 01/03/95

TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I - CRIMES CHAPTER 95 - RACKETEERING

Sec. 1956. Laundering of monetary instruments

STATUTE

(a)(1) Whoever, knowing that the property involved in a financial transaction represents the proceeds of some form of unlawful activity, conducts or attempts to conduct such a financial transaction which in fact involves the proceeds of specified unlawful activity -

(A)(i) with the intent to promote the carrying on of specified unlawful activity; or

(ii) with intent to engage in conduct constituting a violation of section 7201 or 7206 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986; or

(B) knowing that the transaction is designed in whole or in part -

(i) to conceal or disguise the nature, the location, the source, the ownership, or the control of the proceeds of specified unlawful activity; or

(ii) to avoid a transaction reporting requirement under State or Federal law, shall be sentenced to a fine of not more than $500,000 or twice the value of the property involved in the transaction, whichever is greater, or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both.

(2) Whoever transports, transmits, or transfers, or attempts to transport, transmit, or transfer a monetary instrument or funds from a place in the United States to or through a place outside the United States or to a place in the United States from or through a place outside the United States -

(A) with the intent to promote the carrying on of specified unlawful activity; or

(B) knowing that the monetary instrument or funds involved in the transportation, transmission, or transfer represent the proceeds of some form of unlawful activity and knowing that such transportation, transmission, or transfer is designed in whole or in part -

(i) to conceal or disguise the nature, the location, the source, the ownership, or the control of the proceeds of specified unlawful activity; or

(ii) to avoid a transaction reporting requirement under State or Federal law, shall be sentenced to a fine of not more than $500,000 or twice the value of the monetary instrument or funds involved in the transportation, transmission, or transfer, whichever is greater, or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both. For the purpose of the offense described in subparagraph (B), the defendant's knowledge may be established by proof that a law enforcement officer represented the matter specified in subparagraph (B) as true, and the defendant's subsequent statements or actions indicate that the defendant believed such representations to be true.

(3) Whoever, with the intent -

(A) to promote the carrying on of specified unlawful activity;

(B) to conceal or disguise the nature, location, source, ownership, or control of property believed to be the proceeds of specified unlawful activity; or

(C) to avoid a transaction reporting requirement under State or Federal law, conducts or attempts to conduct a financial transaction involving property represented to be the proceeds of specified unlawful activity, or property used to conduct or facilitate specified unlawful activity, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both. For purposes of this paragraph and paragraph (2), the term ''represented'' means any representation made by a law enforcement officer or by another person at the direction of, or with the approval of, a Federal official authorized to investigate or prosecute violations of this section.

More at link (extensive)

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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #71
81. I don't care what finally brings this idiot down
I just want to turn on my computer some morning and read that the pigboy died in prison after choking on vomit, while being assraped by bubba and the boys.
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 08:30 AM
Response to Reply #81
82. ML
Well, he's in deep deep do.

The federal laws on this are much tougher that local and he did cross state lines.....
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #81
107. SPONSORS LINK
Limbaugh Advertisers

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/rushbusted.html Changed:4:01 PM on Wednesday, February 26, 2003
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 08:34 AM
Response to Original message
83. Investigation also going
on in New York, won't be so easy to whitewash this crime here.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 08:59 AM
Response to Original message
84. Noelle Bush/Rush Limbutt connection? Do I have a 6th sense or what!
Edited on Wed Nov-19-03 09:14 AM by dArKeR
I bet I'm right!!!!!!!!!

Where are the records showing how many times he visited the Saddam Bush Florida Gov. Palace.

How many times has he visited the White House in this term?
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 09:13 AM
Response to Original message
85. Rush BOIL AS* Limbaugh Aiding And Abetting Terrorists
just like those anti-drug campaigns said! why, he's practically a card carrying member of al queda! do you think he and osama shoot up together?

what a hypocritical loser.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 09:21 AM
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86. links to other DU good threads
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:39 AM
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94. I'll be interested in the Freeper spin
I held my nose and peeked in the other day to see what the reaction was to Rush's, "I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling. I'm just saying that one of the things was that I did not put my health first", statement. They had plenty to say about their caped-pig-superhero, but were strangely silent on his junkie admission.

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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #94
96. here you go...
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #96
98. Heh,
Complete disarray, they're all over the map. It must be a bitter pill (heehee) learning your intellectual vanguard is a babbling junkie loser.
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #94
97. Here's another one, all insults, no debate
And I started this thread, would make a great comedy skit even if these buttwipes can't spell.

http://www.hannity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11631
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:48 AM
Response to Original message
95. What I Want to Know
is how much this guy took that he needed all this money. I mean, sheesh. Did it never occur to him that he had a problem?
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:16 PM
Response to Original message
99. Rush claiming information is false
"The day will come when I can sit down, blah, blah, blah".

Tell us now you criminal fuck.
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #99
101. Yeah
he'll make a statement just as soon as the lawyers are finished crafting it. Sadly, it's hard to have faith that justice will be done in a country where the Supreme Court can steal a presidential election.
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #101
102. I still say he's working on a plea bargain
otherwise, why drag this crap out? And keep teasing his flock? He's trying to get his sorry ass out of the frying pan, and I'm SURE his final contrition will be worthy of a Las Vegas show.
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monobrau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #99
105. "I'll be honest with you"
"as soon as my lawyers tell me what to say"
Having known a few ditto heads, I think that this may unhinge some borderline people out there. Seriously.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:20 PM
Response to Original message
106. SPONSORS+LINK TO MEDIA FORUM
Edited on Wed Nov-19-03 01:39 PM by oscar111
Limbaugh Advertisers
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/rushbusted.html Changed:4:01 PM on Wednesday, February 26, 2003
 
The media forum is beginning a thread on this... title is something like...
LIMBAUGH, JUST FOUND THIS...
posted about wed nov. 19 morning.

MODERATORS.. can you move this thread to Media?
Can you also break this page of replies into smaller pages? My cpr says "page too big to show" and so i cant see some replies.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 02:00 PM
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108. So why haven't the authorities seized his money?????
Edited on Wed Nov-19-03 02:02 PM by KansDem
I thought that money laundering and drug dealing accusations and charges were followed with the seizing of all the suspect's monies.

C'mon, Officer Goodguy! Grab Rush's checking/savings accounts, his house, his car, his personal belongings, etc. etc. etc. DO IT NOW!!! :grr:

(edited to add "grr")
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