Minutemen, protesters square off at Capitol

[rodeodance]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060512/ts_nm/usa_immigration_protest_dc;_ylt=As06M1pteC0TYOve8A7et2Ss0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b2NibDltBHNlYwM3MTY-
Minutemen, protesters square off at Capitol

By Andy Sullivan 19 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Illegal immigration protesters wrapped up a cross-country caravan on Friday with a rally in the shadow of the U.S. Capitol, as immigrant-rights activists chanted for them to "go away."


Members of the Minuteman Project and other border-patrol groups warned the United States was in danger of being overrun by Mexicans if the Senate passes a bill that would give millions of illegal immigrants a chance to earn citizenship.

"They should be rounded up and deported, every single one of them," John Clark of the American Immigration Control Foundation said to a cheering crowd of about two dozen. "Leave them here and in 10 years this will not be the United States of America."

Fifty yards away a similar number of counter-protesters chanted "Minutemen go away, immigrants are here to stay" behind a line of police.

[Lindacooks]

1. "Cheering CROWD of about two dozen"????

That's not a crowd, it's a two-year-old's birthday party.

[Bruden]

3. Sounds about the size of your typical KKK rally

[0007]

27. ...and KKK crowds are usually larger than the freeper bunch

[NJ_Lib]

4. Wait... Thousands protest and not a single report or coverage...

... a couple of dozen and it's news... Gotta love it...

[KansDem]

20. Definitely only a one portapotter.

Not very impressive.

Freeper rallies start getting impressive when they have 4 to 5 or more portapotties.


Here's a typical Freeper two-portapotty rally

[Judi Lynn]

37. I adore that photo. Saw the event on C-Span. One of the speakers

was drunk, too. It was hilarious.

[proud2BlibKansan]

45. Isn't that the event where Kristinn had about 6 cell phones

hanging on his belt? I wish I had copied that picture. It was a hoot! Why in the world does one man need that many cell phones?

His cell phones outnumbered the porta potties! LOL

[MisterP]

51. that's one for each speakerphone in there, and spares for outside calls

[OldLeftieLawyer]

2. I wish someone would chainlink those vigilantes

to each other and then spray them all with a bucket of Crazy Glue.

Or Liquid Steel.

I got some.

[havocmom]

7. LOL And then roll them in what?

We gotta figure you have something specific in mind ;)

[acmejack]

10. I'm still laughing at the image of Cheney & his broomstick in flight!

Lefty issued some interesting tornadic weather alerts for the shores of the Potomac last evening.

[havocmom]

14. Missed her comments from last night

Will have to go do a search now. Thanks for the heads up ;)

[OldLeftieLawyer]

21. Not worth rolling

I like the idea of them just standing there, trying to figure out what to do next, while them there illegals laugh at them and walk away.

I'd buy them there illegals dinner.

[Kagemusha]

5. Was Fox News' Gibson there?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200605120006

Check it out.

And yeah, a roaring crowd of two dozen, wow. Real cause for notice in the national media.

[rodeodance]

17. my gawd, the man has regressed back to the 1900' eugenic era!

Gibson: "Make more babies" because in "wenty-five years ... the majority of the population is Hispanic"

Summary: On The Big Story, John Gibson urged viewers to "o your duty. Make more babies," because he had found out, from a recently released report, that nearly half of all children under the age of five in the United States are minorities. Gibson added: "You know what that means? Twenty-five years and the majority of the population is Hispanic." Gibson later repeated: "To put it bluntly, we need more babies."

On the May 11 edition of Fox News' The Big Story, host John Gibson advised viewers during the "My Word" segment of his program to "o your duty. Make more babies." He then cited a May 10 article, which reported that nearly half of all children under the age of five in the United States are minorities. Gibson added: "By far, the greatest number are Hispanic. You know what that means? Twenty-five years and the majority of the population is Hispanic." Gibson later claimed: "To put it bluntly, we need more babies." Then, referring to Russia's projected decline in population, Gibson claimed: "So far, we are doing our part here in America but Hispanics can't carry the whole load. The rest of you, get busy. Make babies, or put another way -- a slogan for our times: 'procreation not recreation'."

[rodeodance]

18. 'procreation [white babies] not recreation'."

[Bushies gotta go]

6. my feeling:

Lets round up all the Minutemen and put them in prison for vigilantism. But that's just my feelings.

[chunkylover55]

26. Can you point to any illegal activities engaged in by the minutemen?

Do you support imprisoning people for protesting aginst government policy? Apparently you do.

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. v-i-g-i-l-a-n-t-i-s-m

I guess we need to spell it for you. :eyes:

[TX-RAT]

34. Reporting criminal activity to law enforcement is Vigilantism?

[EFerrari]

36. Isn't patrolling the job of law enforcement?

Yes, that's vigilantism.

[TX-RAT]

38. Do you consider " Neighborhood Watch" Vigilantism?

[EFerrari]

39. My neighborhood watch group doesn't go on patrols.

Does yours?

[TX-RAT]

40. Many have organized patrols that go out after hours.

Some just walk the streets, others drive the streets in groups of 2 to 3.

Do you have a problem with citizens reporting criminal activity?

Since i live about 15 miles out of town, we have no organized neighborhood watch. But i can assure you, what neighbors i do have, keep a close eye on any suspicious activity.

[EFerrari]

41. Your comparison is specious. It's the difference between

being aware and looking for trouble. With a nice side of hate speech.

When I lived in the Haight, some of my neighbors used to walk the neighborhood together. But, they were trying for visibility, not looking to identify criminals. My husband and I keep an eye out in our neighborhood, too. But we don't patrol the borders looking for people who might or might not be breaking the law.

And we certainly don't hold racist rallies. :)

/m ->t

[TX-RAT]

42. Interesting

I have just over 9 miles of fence around my place, which i drive every day. I'm looking for fence damage, sign's of poaching activity, sign's of trespassing. Would you consider what i do patrolling or observing?

[EFerrari]

44. What kind of damage are you looking for and why?

We drive the fences at my mom's place as well. But, we don't have La Migra on the speed dial.

[TX-RAT]

47. Fences get cut, cows knock holes in them, cold weather they break

Why else would i drive it? Guess you just drive to sight see?

[proud2BlibKansan]

43. LOL Like that is all they are doing!

[TX-RAT]

48. You have proof of anything other than that?

Please feel free to post your evidence.

[proud2BlibKansan]

49. No problemo

Hal Netkin arrested for using car to trample 2 demonstrators

by
Ernesto Cienfuegos
La Voz de Aztlan

Two members of La Alianza Indigena trampled by Hal NetkinGarden Grove, Alta California - May 26, 2005 (ACN) The Minutemen vigilantes have committed an ugly act of violence. It happened last night at a gathering in Garden Grove where the Minutemen vigilante James Gilchrist was scheduled to speak. About 380 Mexican-Americans and other Latinos, primarily from La Alianza Indigena, had gathered outside the Woman's Civic Club of Garden Grove at 9501 Chapman Avenue to protest the upcoming vigilante operations along the Mexico/California border. When the meeting ended and as the vigilantes were leaving the parking lot, one well known bigot in Los Angeles, Hal Netkin, purposely used his car as a lethal weapon and ran down two Mexican-American protestors, one a young girl. The two were rushed to the emergency hospital. Hal Netkin was promptly handcuffed and jailed.

http://www.aztlan.net/minutemen_commit_violence.htm

Minuteman Violence in New Mexico
http://newmexico.staughton.indypgh.org/news/2005/06/123.php

Mysterious shooting of 2 migrants, Chase suggests "rogue" Minutemen
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2005/07/110168.shtml

[TX-RAT]

53. Interesting

As horrible as the acts of violence were, from what i can see in your links, none of these acts were committed by Minutemen. Was there a member of the Minutemen charged with a crime?

[proud2BlibKansan]

55. They are encouraging violent acts

They are also promoting racism. Whether that is their intent or not, it is a result of their racist exclusionary rhetoric.

[TX-RAT]

56. Questions

My choosing to keep someone from trespassing on my property, would you consider that racism?

[proud2BlibKansan]

57. Only if your choice of who you ban is racist

Our current immigration laws are indeed racist. Europeans are held to a different standard than Hispanics. I work with a girl who just became a citizen after only a 3 year wait. She is from The Czech Republic. I also know Hispanics from Central America who are legal immigrants and have been waiting for over 10 years to become citizens.

Boston is brimming with illegal immigrants from Ireland. Yet, we don't hear anyone complaining that they are trespassers.

So yes, those of us who defend the Hispanic immigrants are crying racism. We DO have facts to support that claim.

[Squatch]

8. The only difference between a legal and illegal immigrant is

paperwork. That's what these xenophobes' arguments boil down to: illegals failed to submit the proper paperwork (in triplicate) and supplicate themselves to the massive US bureaucracy.

They're nothing but racist fucking assholes, and I for one, as an American servicemember will be happy to deport their sorry asses.

[sharp_stick]

9. It's not really a paperwork issue

Almost all of the illegals are illegals not because they failed to submit the proper paperwork but because they don't qualify to get into the country during their lifetimes based on current immigration laws.

I'm convinced it's kept that way by the big companies that like to hire them and hold the hammer of deportation over their heads if they bitch too much.

[phantom power]

13. Absolutely. The "business" wing of the GOP has...

absolutely no desire to fix immigration. It's socially sanctioned slave-labor. One of the few pleasures of this issue is watching the GOP plutocrats sweat out trying to placate their xenophobic base (e.g. minutemen), while not actually fixing the problem. I hope they choke on their own little wedge issue.

[Ian David]

25. We're complicit in the reasons why their own countries suck

We destabilize their governments, build sweatshops, pollute their air and water, fund and train death squads... and then have the nerve to complain when they come HERE?

Why not leave the American-owned sweatshop where they were making $0.30 an hour in their own country, and go to America and make $3.00 per hour working illegally for the same company?

[phantom power]

11. Don't forget the other important difference:

a legal immigrant is entitled to minimum wage and basic workers rights. The GOP "ownership society" can pay illegals any crappy wage they want, with no benefits, safety regs, etc.

[FreakinDJ]

19. Not to mention

A legal immigrant is screened for prior police records of such offenses as Child Abuse, Human Trafficking, Drug Dealing, Bank Robbery, ect, ect....

Also they must undergo a Physical to detect HIV, Gonerria, syphilis, Resistent forms of TB, ect, ect....

[Bridget Burke]

24. Well, let's screen immigrants & give them physicals.

Then let them in. That's the way they did it in the old days. A physical, an interview, and "Welcome to the USA."

Maybe not so welcome--there was plenty of xenophobia back then, too. But it was far easier to become a legal resident. No immigration lawyers were getting rich.

[tonekat]

35. You said it about Immigration Lawyers

I used to work for a publishing company that produced a couple of periodicals on Immigration Law, in the fulfillment dept. We did other legal stuff too, that attracted various scumbag lawyers, but the Immigration Lawyers were the biggest liars and crooks of them all, not paying their bills, lying to me about their signature on the order forms ("I did not order that!" "Oh yeah?, you're not returning them either I see!"). There was even one jerk who had the nerve to come in to see me personally and give me a rubber check!
"Honorable Profession" my ass!
Oh yeah, there was a certain congressman's ex wife who used to always call me up and be a big pain in the ass, I always wanted to ask her about the time she threw his clothes out on the front lawn.

[FreakinDJ]

16. Exactly

Skilled workers come here on H1B and earn 30% less then their college educated counter parts. If they ask for a raise the company fires them and almost automatically their visa is revoked.

Unskilled come here illegaly and magicaly once again their wages are 30 - 40% less then simuliar paid positions for American workers. Once again employers have the ability to have them deported

Then take into consideration Illegal Immigrants have been used to suppress working american wages. It now takes 2 incomes in 2006 to earn the same buying power of 1 income in 1970.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

12. But someone

on DU said that Minuteman were looking out for the American worker. (wink/wink)

[walldude]

15. LOL... maybe if they would go out and get jobs

they wouldn't have time to protest. Oh wait, the Mexicans took all their jobs...

OH MY GOD! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! THE MEXICANS ARE COMING!
HOLY SHIT! HUMANS ARE COMING TO AMERICA! OPEN FIRE!!! :eyes:

[spag68]

22. If the minutemen are

looking out for the american worker, they would be protesting for a raise in the minimum wage.

[LostinVA]

28. I kinow, I read that post

It was gigglelicious....

[SemiCharmedQuark]

23. Finally the truth "overrun by Mexicans"

Even if all of those immigrants were illegal, they STILL would want them gone, because they are Mexican. And Mexican illegal immigrants make up about half, so why no concern about the other half? Illegal immigrant does not equal "Mexican".

[alarimer]

29. Clearly Gibson and the minutemen are racist

They are so obvious about it.

[kineneb]

46. thought exercise

replace the words "Mexican" or "illegal immigrant" with the word "Jew" or "Gypsy" and you see what these cretins are really thinking

[yellowcanine]

30. I listened to part of that. It was one big Mexican bashing session and

actually quite pathetic. They ended with by singing the National Anthem and making the point that they were singing it in English. It sounded like about a half dozen people actually joined in on the singing. The whole thing was a pathetic rant with counter protesters clearly audible in the background.

[classysassy]

31. The sixty second men.

it is very interesting to see young mexican men and women going off to fight bush war 2,while the hateful minute morons are in our capital displaying their hate.WAKE UP AMERICA.

[proud2BlibKansan]

50. Good point

You don't need a visa or a green card to go fight in Iraq.

[ChickMagic]

33. Hmmm - sounds familiar.

No Mexicans need apply.

[proud2BlibKansan]

52. Hey you!!

How goes it?

Good to see you posting! I take it your hand is better?

:hi: :hug:

[ChickMagic]

54. Oh yeah, it's baack!

After 95% radial nerve damage, it only took 4 months
of really hard work. It will take a while for the
atrophied muscles to come back, but hey, I can live
with that!