Rubber Bullets (In Miami)

[jayfish]

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< 11-20-2003 16:15 > People Hurt
Corner of Ne 3rd and 2nd. 3rd is blocked at Biscayne. People blocked off in both directions. Medics are treating a head wound. People can still exit down 3rd st. People are not confronted the police.

< 11-20-2003 16:14 > protesters holding ground
3rd st between biscayne and 1st. thousands of people are holding the barracade.

< 11-20-2003 16:13 > Police Brutality
People have been hit by tear gas, bleeding from the ear. People are standing strong through the pain. On 3rd St the police are pushing demonstrators west. Police shooting randomly into the crowd.

< 11-20-2003 16:11 > People Hurt
People trying to get from ground zero to the wellness center. At 1st Ave and 3rd st. There may be a third push to the fence.

< 11-20-2003 16:08 > protesters being pushed westward on second.
protesters being pushed westward on second. concussion grenades have been fired. protesters trying to hold ground by building barracades with wooden pallates.

< 11-20-2003 16:06 > Rubber Bullets
Police have cleared Biscayne. Firing rubber bulles into the crowd, laid off on the tear gas because the wind has picked up. CHarging against the demonstrators pushing them into a parking lot.

< 11-20-2003 16:01 > Update fromt he Fence
Riot policing are advancing North on Biscayne. Using 3 or 4 different chemical weapons (blue-green cloud). People at the front beleived that this was started by provocateurs. About 250 riots cops on Biscayne flanked by a couple vans. About 800 people being pushed down 3rd away from the fence.

< 11-20-2003 16:00 > rubber bullets being used against protestors on biscayne
imc reporter hit by a rubber bullet on biscayne, was caught in the salvoes of chemical and projectile weapons being fired by the police on the demonstrators.
-SNIP-

http://ftaaimc.org/en/

Has this been reported elsewhere yet? Will we be able say that "Bush gassed his own people" now?

Jay

Note To Mods: This probably violates all LBN rules, but it is important.

[DS1]

1. no, you won't be able to say Bush gassed his own people

if you want to be taken seriously.

[jayfish]

3. I Guess CS Isn't Gas...

and Jeb has nothing to do with it then. Was kinda in jest anyway. :hi:

Jay

[el_gato]

15. why not it's true

[0rganism]

20. because "less lethal" is good for everyone, doncha know?

Police State Analysts have shown that the diets of most vegan demonstrators are severely lacking in cayenne pepper, rubber-coated metal balls and other exciting nerve agents. The police merely do what they can to ensure a balanced meal.

[CaptainClark23]

22. you're just not right...

but that is pretty damn funny

[WillyT]

26. LOL !!! --- THANK YOU !!!

:argh:

[wryter2000]

2. Randi Rhodes

Randi Rhodes has someone at the protests reporting by phone.

http://therandirhodesshow.com/streaming.html

[Baconfoot]

7. You really have to listen to this:

http://therandirhodesshow.com/streaming.html

[jayfish]

19. Truly Amazing Coverage. -NT-

Jay

[imax2268]

33. They are talking

about MJ...

[methinks2]

4. media coverage?

Do you know of any media coverage? How many more days will the protests last?

[CaptainClark23]

5. Media coverage?

you're looking at it.

[NashVegas]

18. CNN FN

Had a guy on the scene. He actually went out of his way to distinguish between the AFL-CIO protest and the anarchists, FWIW.

[Say_What]

27. also watch/listen to Free Speech Radio and TV (links)

<clips>

THURSDAY'S NEWSCAST:

•Massive protests in
London against Bush

•Opposition Rising to
Gay Marriage Ruling
•Miami’s streets are militarized
•NAFTA Lessons for the FTAA
•IAEA on Iran and Nuclear Weapons
•Guantanamo Detainee’s Family
Speaks to FSRN

listen online

http://www.fsrn.org/

http://www.freespeech.org/fsitv/fscm2/genx.php?name=home



http://www.freespeech.org/fsitv/html/freespeech_radio.html








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[nn2004]

30. My God that is an ugly picture

I hope that was the intent. What a circus this must be.

[SeattleDem]

6. I give up -w hat's going on in Miami???

I scanned the recent LBN pages - what am I missing? What's being protested?

[CaptainClark23]

9. FTAA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=230488

[Baconfoot]

12. Regarding what's being protested:

http://ftaaimc.org/en/static/faq.shtml

What is the FTAA?
The Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) is the expansion of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) to every country in Central America, South America and the Caribbean, except Cuba. Negotiations began right after the launch of NAFTA in 1994 and are set to be completed in 2005.



Current Status of FTAA

All the negotiating groups have held meetings at two to three month intervals during the last two years. Negotiators have laid out the positions of their governments on the nine core issues. During the last three meetings?in Quebec City in April 2000, Buenos Aires in April 2001, and in Quito, Ecuador in October 2002?negotiators tried to work out differences in the draft texts. The next FTAA summit will take place in Miami, Florida in November 2003. Major citizen protests are expected to take place.



Despite growing public opposition throughout the hemisphere, FTAA backers still want to finish negotiating the treaty by the end of 2004, and for it to go into effect by 2005.

[demdave]

8. Name a president in the last 50 years that didn't "gas his own people"

[jayfish]

14. Jimmy Carter?

I was talking about Jebediah Bush to boot.

Jay

[Nlighten1]

31. Did Clinton gas anyone?

I don't recall

[0rganism]

34. Remember the "salvage rider" protests? The "battle in Seattle"?

All on Clinton's watch.

Here's a refresher: http://www.kmud.org/support/video/fireintheeyes/

"Some of us sense that America is growing into an authoritarian society. The hierarchy of power that is institutionalized within large corporations is essentially a dictatorship"
James Ficklin, Producer of the documentary Fire in the Eyes



picture: Humboldt county police swab concentrated pepper spray directly into the eyes of a protestor in lock-down.

[lostnfound]

39. Those are some sick mf.. torture makes me really angry. n/t

[jayfish]

35. And Waco. -NT-

Jay

[CaptainClark23]

10. updates

< 11-20-2003 16:29 > Pepper spraying - Gas pimienta
People pushed back to amphitheatre and as far aback as Miami Dade Comm. College. IMC journalist severly pepper-sprayed, people throwing tear gas back into the police.

La gente fue empujada hacia el anfiteatro y bastante más atrás. Un periodista de IMC severamente alcanzado por gas pimienta, la gente tira de vuelta el gas lacrimógeno a la policía.

< 11-20-2003 16:28 > indiscriminate shootings
rubber bullets continue to fly. many people shot in the head and face, including journalists. reports of one corporate journalist receiving a rubber bullet to the eye.

< 11-20-2003 16:25 > Police advancing
NE 3rd st. Police firing rubber bullets indiscriminantly. People moving forward but getting split up. Not enough people to hold a line against the cops. Police also advancing down NE 1st. Police are dividing the demonstrators shooting great numbers of projectiles.


http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/index.shtml

on edit: add link


also see http://nbc6.feedroom.com/?fr_story=e65fc9b7364232c1d7f8f3710db6705b2fe3ffb9 for live copter video...been watching. pretty much over now, dispersal time from what I can make out.

[Say_What]

11. Pepper Spraying, Corp. journalist shot in eye, police advancing..

< 11-20-2003 16:29 > Pepper Spraying
People pushed back to amphitheatre and as far abck as Miami Dade Comm. College. IMC journalist severly pepper-sprayed, people throwing tear gas back into the police.

< 11-20-2003 16:28 > indiscriminate shootings
rubber bullets continue to fly. many people shot in the head and face, including journalists. reports of one corporate journalist receiving a rubber bullet to the eye.

< 11-20-2003 16:25 > Police advancing
NE 3rd st. Police firing rubber bullets indiscriminantly. People moving forward but getting split up. Not enough people to hold a line against the cops. Police also advancing down NE 1st. Police are dividing the demonstrators shooting great numbers of projectiles.

< 11-20-2003 16:19 > AFL-CIO leaving
2-300 riot cops advancing west on Ne 3rd st on a crowd. AFL-CIO people scattering. Rubber Bullets and tear gas ran them away. Police aiming for people with masks and pepper spraying "wildly".


Tune in to Resistance Radio here:

http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/static/radio_en.shtml

[SlavesandBulldozers]

13. are they using paintball guns yet?

witgh pepper gas balls? I know they have them in their inventory, I believe they use Tippman Pro-Carbines (http://www.xtremez.com/paintball/product_information.asp?number=GNTPC).

[CaptainClark23]

17. I believe so

Looks like it was a test fire range out there today...they were employing lots of different ordinance and tactics.

[jayfish]

16. Live Video.

http://www.click10.com

Jay

[xchrom]

21. the ftaa protests

totally remind me of protests of my youth -- ah the good old days.
thank you for the updates -- i find it very exciting and naturally i hope no one is seriously injured.
the reporter who was hit in the eye i hope is ok.

[Say_What]

23. From FTAAIMC: Identifying Provocateurs

It is actually not to hard to tell a police provocatuer from a real direct action activist: What is the probable outcome of what the suspect person proposes?

When the police outnumber the crowd or the scenario for the demonstration requires restrictive rules of engagement to work, police provocateurs will throw rocks that deliberatly miss and encourage others to do so. They will even encourage people to make molotovs in some limited cases, if they can prevent their use or limit them to things they don't mind seeing burn.

On the other hand, when it is the POLICE that are outnumbered or the CITY is in a scenario where things need to be kept quiet, the reverse is also true. During R2K, the undercovers were screaming for nonviolence, as the Mayor feared a violent convention. The same guy that will throw rocks from a crowd of 100 at 10,000 cops will scream for nonviolence and pull your arm down if you are throwing stones from a crowd of 10,000 at 100 cops. In short, he will do whatever is in the best interests of his compatriots.

Therefore, his actions will be observably OPPOSITE what the scenario really calls for on serious examination. It can be hard for someone committed ONLY to ONE tactic to tell this, of course, but it should be obviouls to an "all the tools in the toolbox" supporter. If a person consistantly calls for the same thing rather it works or not(throws stones in both cases above), they probably are just inexperienced.

In this action, stones thrown from the AFL march have different political consquences than stones thrown from any other action. They promote strife between AFL organizers and other activists, they allow the cops to run up arrest totals from the union march if and only if thrown from easily arrestable places. The most dangerous provocateur, however, would NOT be dressed as an anarchist but as a union member, and would get the cameras on himself if he were to throw a stone in person. If he is dressed like an anarchist, nobody will be fooled and nobody will blame the union(except maybe FOX news).

Another form of provocateur will attempt to get a crowd to do things that will backfire in a political sense. This is a game two can play, and years ago activists in DC did this to an antiabortion group by putting some fake "white power" racists in the front who chanted viciously racist antiabortion slogans when the antis neared teh Supreme COurt and all thsoe press cameras. The rest of the crowd took up the slogans, to the great embarassment of the organizers!

More seriously, the cops in Genoa set up a complete fake black bloc that burned and trashed working class people's cars and stores. They were caught because someone saw and photographed Molotov cocktails being handed to them out of the trunk of a police car. Fortunately, this kind of undercover is easily identified by his choice of targets. Assuming a militarily plausable scenario, the guy who stones the Gap is a protestor, the guy who stones the small immigrant owned clothing store is a COP.

http://ftaaimc.org/en/2003/11/1207.shtml

[Barrett808]

24. Scary tazer footage

warning-disturbing clip---Tazer use by cops on non-violent protestors

http://ftaaimc.org/en/2003/11/1277.shtml
tazer clip - video/quicktime 1.2M

[Emboldened Chimp]

25. That was disgusting

What did that person do to be tazered? Nothing from what I could see. That small group of UNARMED kids were literally surrounded by cops all pointing tazers. Then one trigger-happy cop puts the kid down with no provocation. Truly disgusting and absolutely frightening.

They say it couldn't happen here. Guess what, folks, it's happening right now.

[xchrom]

28. outrageous

just unbelievable -- the police brutality rules.
just freaky.

[nn2004]

32. I missed it

Were the cops putting down peaceful protesters? Did the protesters in any way break the rules?

[nn2004]

29. Will we be able say that "Bush gassed his own people" now?

Maybe. I thought this was about "rubber bullets".

[electricmonk]

36. I'l like to see a split screen

With Bush* saying how great it is to be free to protest on one side and with the Miami cops busting heads on the other. Any Flash artists out there?

[SlavesandBulldozers]

38. i could do it

send me your ideas

[lostnfound]

40. Would be nice if one or more of OUR candidates spoke out loudly on it n/t

[Kool Kitty]

37. One of the talking heads on CNN

mentioned (during this afternoon's newscast) that one of their cameramen had his camera broken and his head whacked by a cop. Ande they made much of the fact that the cops WEREN'T using rubber bullets. Guess they were wrong, huh?

[proud patriot]

41. Listen To the Randi Roads Show

OMG ....Please you got to hear it ...

[LibLabUK]

42. Ohh... that's horrible.

I just watched the videos..

Who the hell trains your police??

That was disgusting sight... police with what look like baseball bats..tear gas.. riot shields..

Ugghh..

I hope those people will be alright. :(

It looked like scenes from some 3rd world dictatorship, not a 21st century democracy.



Why'd the police go tooled up like that? Why did they all have riot gear on and baseball bats for what looked like a peaceful protest?


Bush is a hypocrit.. simple as that.. how can he come to the UK and say he welcomes protests, and then deal with protests in his own country like that?

[Say_What]

43. 3rd world dictatorship is what we've become... Miami cops were defending

the Bushistas political agenda--FTAA. Unbeknown to US taxpayers, $8.5 million for *security* in MIami was included in that huge $87 bln Iraqi bill they recently passed. That's how they're gonna make Patriot Act II law as well, slip it in bit-by-bit into huge spending bills. This kinda sh*t is done in Washington all the time.

Hey, BTW, hell of a protest you guys had over there yesterday!! We send our thanks! :hi:

Peace!!

[Say_What]

44. 3rd world dictatorship is what we've become... Miami cops were defending

the Bushistas political agenda--FTAA. Unbeknown to US taxpayers, $8.5 million for *security* in MIami was included in that huge $87 bln Iraqi bill they recently passed. That's how they're gonna make Patriot Act II law as well, slip it in bit-by-bit into huge spending bills. This kinda sh*t is done in Washington all the time.

Hey, BTW, hell of a protest you guys had over there yesterday!! We send our thanks! :hi:

Peace!!