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ProudToBeLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 11:06 PM
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Howard Dean's Minnesota presidential campaign begins
Howard Dean's Minnesota presidential campaign begins
Bob von Sternberg, Star Tribune

Published November 21, 2003

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean's Minnesota presidential campaign began Thursday with the backing of two unions that represent nearly 80,000 workers in the state.

Campaign chairman Ted Mondale said the Dean forces hope to flood Minnesota's March 2 precinct caucuses. "This campaign intends to take the precinct caucuses seriously and we expect to win this state," he said.

If the Dean campaign succeeds in mobilizing these union members, it could have a big effect on caucus night. Consider: turnout in 2000 was only about 11,000, compared with about 20,000 in previous years.

The state's 27,000-member Service Employees International Union and the 52,000-member American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees came out on Dean's behalf Thursday. The endorsement last week by those unions' national leadership gave Dean's campaign a significant boost.

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http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/4225152.html
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 11:07 PM
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1. Is Dean all over the place or
What? :kick: :toast:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 12:11 AM
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4. I see he's coming back to Milwaukee too!
Gotta try to see him again.

You know, me being a member of the cult and all. :)

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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 11:18 PM
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2. man, this guy is all over the place!
I'm amazed at how many states he's gone to in a single day...
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 12:08 AM
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3. This is what I love about Dean
He does not let up for a second. He just keeps comin' at ya. Go Howard!
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SilasSoule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 12:14 AM
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5. Isn't MN going to be a battleground state

Like OH,MI,PA & MO
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ErasureAcer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 12:49 AM
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6. Yes...and this Minnesotan won't be voting for Dean
Get him to: ban the Death Penalty, Support Gay Marriage, reduce military spending, come up with a viable solution to I/P, and support living wages...then we'll talk.

I'll be happy to support the green party candidate in the general election that actually stands for what I believe.

Dean really sucks. I like him as much as Gore. AND I HATED GORE!

Can the democrats fucking nominate someone who will actually reform the fucking government?

I can not see myself living under 4 years of Dean. I don't want another 4 years of Bush either...I'll take 4 years of the Green party please.

I need to get out of this country...this place is filled with morons.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 12:51 AM
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7. if dean gets the nomination, he gets my Minnesota vote.
ANYBODY BUT BUSH.
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 10:04 AM
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18. yep, same here
Hell, I'll vote for a stuffed jackalope if that's who's got the best chance of getting rid of B*sh.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 12:56 AM
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8. why don't you go live on a cloud…
like Kucinich.
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 01:23 AM
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9. Somehow I suspect
that you probably wouldn't be happy regardless of who got the nomination. The Green Party won't ever be winning a presidential election in either of our lifetimes. All the Green presidential candidate serves as is a spoiler for the the major party closest to what Greens believe in. Nothing like some people shooting themselves in the foot.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 02:29 AM
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10. Here's what I don't understand
You obviously have a few policy differences with Dean. That I understand.

What I don't understand -- and this applies to a LOT of DUers -- is why you aren't seeing something actually much bigger going on with the Dean campaign -- something that can get you to where you want to go and farther: a resurgence in the whole democratic process.

Dean is revitalizing democracy itself. I say "Dean" but it's not him alone -- it's him and his campaign supporters.

* He has already revolutionized the contemporary campaign by running the first Open Source Iterative Campaign in history (and the internet tools are a big part of that).

* He has empowered supporters to organize from the grassroots up. An awful lot of campaign work gets down out here that was never thought of, never imagined by the Campaign heirarchy. That's revolutionary too. It's revolutionary JUST in the fact of not controlling the message, but the organizing and events and outreach and so on take that quite a bit farther.

* He has revolutionized campaign finance. He's being criticized by some of the other candidates and some DUers for opting out of matching funds and spending limits, but the ONLY reason he can even contemplate doing it is because it's overwhelmingly The People who are financing his campaign. This takes all the special interests -- ALL of them -- completely out of campaign finance. That's absolutely nothing to sneeze at, and I'm surprised it doesn't get a lot more positive play on DU.

* His supporters who are newly empowered and energized are not only running his grassroots efforts out here in the various states, they're getting involved in the Democratic Party. When he says, "We're going to take our Party back," he means that too. And the Party will be completely revitalized as a result (and boy, isn't it time for THAT?).

* Those of us who have drunk deeply of this new style candidate (authentic, blunt and honest -- occasional warts and all), this new empowerment, this new energy, this new hope and promise are NOT going to be interested in "settling" for being uninvolved, disenfanchised, alienated and apathetic any longer. Whoever gets the nomination (and I think it'll be Dean) and whoever wins (and I think, barring the voting machines) it'll be Dean, are NOT going to be satisfied being passive onlookers ever again. He's promised a White House blog, for example. A small thing, but still. What other candidate is reaching and engaging the electorate like Dean is?

Clark comes closest, but he and his campaign haven't caught on to the right way to capitalize on this new, 21st Century campaign style and structure. Kucinich has grassroots support, but it is small, splintered, and basically going nowhere.

My God. The campaign finance issue alone is HUGE. But add to that the interaction and involvement of Dean with his supporters -- it really is a movement as much or even more than a campaign.

So I just don't get it why people who want dramatic, revolutionary change in this country aren't picking up on the potential.

For the entire time I've been on DU, and it's been a while now, we've ragged and bitched and moaned about how UNresponsive our elected leaders are -- and rightfully so. It's been scandalous how unresponsive they are. Finally, along comes someone who is everything we ever dreamed of and MORE in the responsiveness department, and few people can actually see it, and fewer still appreciate it.

I wrote a thread a while back which was titled something like, "It's not about policies any more," and I tried to explain some of this in that thread. We can get mired down in picking and choosing among policies (and personalities as well, to a large extent), or would we really rather see something absolutely revolutionary in a completely pro-democracy way? I'll take the revolutionary pro-democracy, thank you.

I don't like ALL of Dean's policies -- but most of them are just fine, and a good many of them WoW me. The others aren't as bad as with Clinton, frankly, and I voted for him TWICE. The ONLY candidate who would be a perfect match is myself -- and you for yourself. We Dean supporters have seen him grow and change and respond as a result of OUR input. Not in a pandering way, far from it, but literally growing in understanding of what the issues are and how people feel about those issues.

If you read his June 23 speech, you'll see just that. The campaign changed HIM, he said. And I'm sure it continues to change him. And he (along with his supporters) are changing the democratic process and ultimately America -- and that will be true whether he even gets nominated or not, let alone wins.

So when I see people complain that some of his policies aren't just so, I just have to wonder, why aren't they seeing the much, much bigger picture, because that bigger picture is awesome.

Eloriel
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 02:49 AM
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11. well said!
I have seen Dean twice - once in a small room w/ about 200 people, no notes, brief statement, rest of the time answered questions from the group. The questions were about any & everything. No BS, no um-ming or ahh-ing. Straight 2 the point answers, no dodges. I could feel the energy level rise in that room. It was amazing!
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 05:47 AM
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13. Bravo!
Well Done El!!

There are some who trulyhold no interest from saving this nation (and thus, the world) from a US style fascism. They are as idealogues along the lines of ShrubCo. My way exactly or forget it.

Nevermind the tens of thousands more who will die at the hands of these PNACers, nevermind the poverty that will continue to grow, nope, if the candidate is not their perfect ideal forget it.

It pains me to see such selfish small mindedness here on DU. Almost as much as the hate-mongering I so often see from supposed "fellow Dems".

Julie
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 07:39 AM
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14. Exceptional post
On C-Span this morning, I caught part of a recent Dean campaign speech, and was encouraged, even impressed with his insight and strength. For the first time in a long time I felt a renewed sense of hope in the Democratic identity and the possibility of it being a resounding success in restoring our country...but then I remembered the obstacle our own party has become in opposing who we could be. If the pro-corporate DLC packages a candidate to oppose what and who Dean represents - then even if the Democrats win, they lose the opportunity to take the party back from the forces that turned it into a shadow of it's former identity. And that would be a shame.
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msanger Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 09:52 AM
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16. agreed 120%
My admiration for Dean is largely based on what his supporters have done. And what they will be able to do once we have sent bush back to texas.

Energized, committed people using the internet and filled with optimism.

First we get rid of bush, then we start electing real progressives.

But first things first.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 02:56 AM
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12. What a team player you are
Like a little kid who doesn't get his way on the playground, you pick up your marbles and go elsewhere.

If your Green vote swings Minnesota and the election to *, you will have no moral authority to criticize this president for the next four years.
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wheresthemind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 07:39 AM
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15. Dennis has drawn the biggest crowds in MN...
Should be interesting to see what happens if Dean comes in town!
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 09:55 AM
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17. In honor of Welstone!!!!.............Go Minnisotians!!!
Go DEAN!!!!
:bounce:
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mndemocrat_29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 11:09 AM
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19. If Dean gets the nomination
Dean will have this Minnesotans vote!

:kick:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 11:13 AM
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20. Woo HOO!!!!
:toast:
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