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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:25 AM
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Rumsfeld - Zarqawi death is win against global terror

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L08296598.htm

Rumsfeld - Zarqawi death is win against global terror

BRUSSELS, June 8 (Reuters) - U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld hailed on Thursday the death of al Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in a U.S. air raid in Iraq as a "significant victory" in the battle against terrorism.

Rumsfeld told a news briefing after a meeting of NATO defence ministers in Brussels Zarqawi's death in a U.S. air strike near Baghdad on Wednesday had hurt his network and would slow down its operations.
He called Zarqawi "an integral part of the global war on terror".

"Let there be no doubt the fact that he is dead is a significant victory in the battle against terrorism in that country and I would say worldwide, because he had interests well outside Iraq," he said.

"No single person on this planet has had the blood of more innocent men, women and children on his hands than has Zarqawi."
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station agent Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:27 AM
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1. Rummy really said...
"No single person on this planet has had the blood of more innocent men, women and children on his hands than has Zarqawi." ???

I can think of several.
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theguvnorgc Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:36 AM
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7. To name but one...
How about the asshole he works for....
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:53 AM
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20. Here he is
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:25 PM
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28. Is that photo real?
It's disgusting!
Why does * practically suck faces with several creepy men? I have seen enough photos of * practically making out with other men. And now he wants to ban gay marriage. I think he's a hypocrite.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:46 PM
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29. Psychological projection by Rummy
He is a great killer of innocents himself - not directly of course, he just orders it from afar.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:27 AM
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2. Wow, a new level of bullshit, even for Rummy's standards...n/t
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:27 AM
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3. Reality - Zarqawi death is win against LOCAL IRAQI insurgency.
Nothing more.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:59 AM
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12. Actually it's a win FOR the local Iraqi insurgency
There was no love fest between the local insurgency and al-Qaeda.

Al-Qaeda in Iraq and the local insurgency are at odds with each other.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:49 AM
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18. I anticipate attacks on U.S. troops will surge now, given
that Zarqawi's followers and sympathizers may be tempted to avenge his death.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:41 PM
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21. I'm not so sure
Attacks are planned out well in advance, as today's car bombings after Zarqawi's death show.

I believe Zarqawi's followers are disciplined enough to keep to the plan already laid out.

What most likely will happen next is the person Zarqawi groomed to replace him will slowly exert his control over the group, using the scheduled planned attacks as a stepping stone to getting that control. The group is small enough where a power struggle will probably not occur.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:50 PM
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23. Good points and I agree in general with you. But I wouldn't be
surprised at all were a splinter resistance group dedicated to "vengence for the martyr Zarqawi" to start taking credit for some of the attacks now. It will definitely be interested to see what happens. U.S. used to pride itself on getting "inside the decision cycle" of military opponents. You ask me, the Iraqi Resistance has gotten inside our decision cycle now.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 02:28 PM
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25. A splinter group is possible
But will most likely not be made up of anyone from Zarqawi's group, except one or two at most.

It will most likely be made up of new recruits smuggled into Iraq. And like any new group, they won't be effective for some time.

I don't expect anything different to happen. Every day there will be more car bombings and the sectarian violence, which is the biggest problem in Iraq, will continue unabated.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:28 AM
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4. Sorry, Rummy. Zarqawi is just one more death in your 'kill them all'
quest for empire.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:30 AM
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5. "No single person on this planet . . . ."
" . . . has had the blood of more innocent men, women and children on his hands than has Zarqawi."

Uh, Rumsferatu? Dick Cheney and the Bush family on line one.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:33 AM
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6. It REALLY makes me feel safer ---->> SARCASM
But it's probably fucking bullshit anyhow, al-Zarqawi was a figment of someone with too much imagination.

Another Repube ruse to put TERRA, TERRA, TERRA front and center. How coincidental that it comes a few days after the round-up in Canada, as a matter of fact they noticed the bounce HARPER got in the polls. How convenient.

I don't trust anything this govt. says or does anymore.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:45 AM
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8. No It Isn't
You made the man into a martyr you evil retard.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:48 AM
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9. You're shitting me. No, he did not really say that. No, he did not.
*head explodes*
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:51 AM
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10. Nice to remember this next week, when the Zarqawi myth is forgotten
And violence continues unabated in Iraq.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:14 AM
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11. so the bad guys are just going to pack
their bags and go home..i guess some people will believe anything
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:03 AM
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13. we made Zarqawi
prior to the invasion, who was he? where was he? how many had he killed?

no invasion, no zarqawi terror.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:52 AM
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19. If Zarqawi didn't exist, it would have been necessary
to invent him. We needed a new bogeyman to take the place of Saddam Hussein, once his propgaganda usefulness no longer existed (post-capture and post-NO WMD!!!).

They don't need Zarqawi b/c they now have Ahmedinejad of Iran as local bogeyman.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:28 AM
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14. Step down Rummy--his death makes no difference. You are a loser and
many troops are dead because of your stupidity@
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:37 AM
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15. Hadn't this guy
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 11:42 AM by survivor999
been killed like 20 something times before?... And he kept resurrecting?...

http://agonist.org/story/2005/9/28/63443/3571#comment-63219

http://agonist.org/story/2005/9/28/63443/3571?highlight=zargawi

Why is this time different?...

On edit: That was his #2...
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:47 AM
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16. How many times have they killed this guy?
What do they do now - make up a new arch-terrorist to terrify us with?
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:49 AM
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17. Another notch in the belt for a #2 leader
:woohoo:

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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:48 PM
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22. "No single person on this planet has had the blood...
holy hyperbole batman!

rummy can always be counted on for the funniest of over the top propaganda. i'm starting to think this is their dress rehearsal for the 'death of bin laden' though.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 01:43 PM
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24. If Zarqawi really is dead
There will be somebody to replace him.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 04:35 PM
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26. Uh oh!! Look what Rummy said a year ago and a half ago! Attention MSM:
Yet seemingly contradicting Powell’s claims for Zarqawi’s importance was a statement made in October, 2004 by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who conceded that Zarqawi’s ties to Al Qaeda may have been far more ambiguous, that he may have been more of a rival than a lieutenant to Osama bin Laden.

“Someone could legitimately say he’s not Al Qaeda,” added Rumsfeld.


http://www.williambowles.info/iraq/zarqawi/dahr_zarqawi.html

Mmm, not Al Queda, 'more of a rival of Osama Bin Laden'.

So, which is it? Was he actually ON OUR SIDE fighting against Osama or what?

'Oh what webs we start to weave when first we practice to deceive'! :-(
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:30 PM
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27. Convenient cover for Iranian diplomatic success -
The Bushwad regime totally caved in to Iranian intransigence. The US offer amounts to an Albright policy that the Bush regime rejected in regard to N.Korea.

The bush regime suffered a major international defeat - Zarqawi death story amounts to a disguise of a huge military and policy failure on an earthshaking scale.

The US economic system is so stressed - expanision of military operations is not even possible. Central bankers told cheney and Rumsfeld, threaten war and face international dollar collapse. They blinked proving who really pulls the strings, the bankers. If the dollar crisis were somehow avoided, by say, some pearl harbor like event, maybe the troika's fascists could show the bankers who's boss. They have been totally outmaneuvered by concerns over their regimes overwhelming economic weakness.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:48 PM
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30. Did they remember to give Zarquawi just one leg this time? n/t
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