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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 07:08 PM
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Religious leaders opposed to Bush found political group
Aiming to become the Christian Coalition of the left, liberal and moderate religious leaders are founding a political group to oppose President Bush's re-election and try to turn their congregations into election-year activists.

The Clergy Leadership Network will help churches, temples and mosques develop voter registration programs, run its own get-out-the-vote drives and, if it can generate enough money, air issue ads, the Rev. Albert Pennybacker, the group's president and chief executive and former president of the Interfaith Alliance, said Friday.

The group, which comprises Jews, Muslims and Christians, will counter the conservative voice of Christian groups such as the Christian Coalition, said Pennybacker, who belongs to the Disciples of Christ.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/11/21/national1847EST0738.DTL
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 07:15 PM
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1. The Right Christians (and Muslims and Jews)...
...will beat the Christian Right!
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 07:17 PM
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2. Cool! I like this
Outstanding.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 07:19 PM
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3. Good
I just hope the atheist wing of the Democratic Party will not bitch and complain.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 10:37 PM
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16. I'm mostly atheistic,
And I have absolutely no objections. The only objections I have ever had is letting the Extreme Christian Right trying to speak for everyone, and for trying to push their agenda on the rest of the country. They stink, their agenda stinks, and this presidency and administration stinks for even listening to the likes of Robertson, Falwell and Graham.
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iam Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 10:41 PM
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17. Hi hyphenate
I'm mostly agnostic.
I think.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 10:45 PM
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18. Hi, iam
Nice to meet you!
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 07:19 PM
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4. It's about time we fight back .
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 07:23 PM
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5. May the real followers of Christ step forward!!!
God bless those whom follow the truth!!!
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 08:40 PM
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9. that is what my friend and Christian antagonist said to me
not too long ago. He was convinced that his religion was the "right" religion. Nice guy too--just as convinced as you are of the legitimacy of his beliefs.

Sincere and devout as devotees are wont to be.

What is it that determines he is wrong in his born again beliefs then? He believes in the same things as George Bush and claims as much legitimacy as Bush does in his faith and relgion. And, no one can , actually, as far as I can see, logically tell Bush he is wrong in his beliefs--he is not--he is towing the same line as many do.--The only difference is that he is in a position to make great strides in the name of his religion--far more than any other legitimate leader--far more than any other learned leader of any of the mono-theistic religions. He, because of that political supremecy, is in the position, actually, to define Christianity for a whole lot of people--and that is what he is doing although he is not, by common standards, qualified to do so. There is no broad brush here--there is only a Bush brush here and there are many Christians who do believe that he is an annointed one ad are willing to follow him as a religious leader.

I cannot find a resource that would tell me which Christian is right and which is wrong. :shrug: It looks to me like Bush is a jerk when I see propaganda pictures of him with halos around his empty head, but surely, his brand has been around for a long time and will continue to be around for a time even if he gets ousted out of the government.

So what is the plan for born again Christians such as Bush, if he is , indeed, ousted? Are they, and he, still to be considered legitimate Christians? Surely, this brand of Christianity will not be outlawed, nor will it be fatally criticized--to do so by any Christian, even the most mainstream and the most painfully strict adherents, would be unacceptable hypocrisy.

I just do not understand how another Christian can villify another Christian simply because they believe something different, yet are still legitimate Christians and remain in the loop of Christianity. How can anyone explain that?
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 09:02 PM
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11. I villify the fundies every day for their hypocrisy.
I'd never let them off the hook just because of their self-proclaimed Christianity. They possess a quality that is blatantly un-Christian: arrogance. Our president carries that quality in spades.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 07:26 PM
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6. Thank God,....
,...this is so fabulous!!! Hallelujiah, I say!!!
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 07:36 PM
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7. It's about time!
I'm actually suprised a group like this wasn't created sooner. I'm so tired of the neocons running around acting like they've trademarked God.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 08:18 PM
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8. Well this is an opening to regaining faith in organized religion
I'm thrilled...
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 08:54 PM
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10. Great
:bounce: This is a good thing
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Noordam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 09:06 PM
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12. Something like 40,000 of the 50,000 Muslims in Florida
voted for Bush. Just a lost of a majority of these voters will damage Bush in Florida.

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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 10:21 PM
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15. Really 40,000 to 50,000!
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 09:19 PM
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13. Some of your posts make it sound like until this group came up
all Christians were in support of Bush or doing nothing. That certainly has not been true of the few churches that I have contact with. They have been busy, quietly, without the flare and spotlight writing letters, having dialogs and seminars (yes even with "fundies"), sharing views and ideas of the Christian role in the US and defining the importance of the idea of separation of church and state. (It does benefit both sides).

Get one news article and making it sound like a "movement" and suddenly you're all cheering like this is something new.
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 10:19 PM
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14. I have donated to this group twice. I think Unity put me on their
mail list.
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