'Rumsfeld just as bad as Hitler was'

[dArKeR]

Seoul - North Korea issued a blistering attack on Donald Rumsfeld on Saturday, saying that the United States defence secretary was worse than Adolf Hitler.

The official KCNA news agency also said Rumsfeld's criticism of North Korea this week - he called it an evil regime - made Pyongyang doubt the prospects of talks to resolve the North's nuclear crisis.

"It is nothing surprising that Rumsfeld talked such nonsense as he put Hitler into the shade in man-killing and war hysteria. But we can never pardon him for malignantly slandering our dignified and inviolable political system whether he is a political dwarf, human scum or hysteric," the agency said.

"If his vituperation represents the stance of the Bush administration, it can not but cast a doubt about the prospect of the six-way talks," it said.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=3&art_id=qw1069491784406B265&set_id=1

You won't get an argument out of me on this one!

[izzie]

1. Rumsfeld is not lik a ble, I think that is a do a ble statement.

n/t

[rjbcar27]

2. I don't think so.

Much as I dislike Rumsfeld, to say he's as bad as Hitler was is frankly ridiculous.

[Design8edGrouch]

14. it all depends on perspective

"to say he's as bad as Hitler is frankly ridiculous"
You can say that only because you are looking at Hitler from a finished product perspective, however, we can only see Bush/Rumsfeld through a just getting started lens. The importance of the Hitler analogy is that perhaps if we recognize the potential for doing evil early enough maybe we can stop it.

[Muddleoftheroad]

17. Consider the source

of the comments.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

27. You're absolutely correct!...

Rummy actually reminds me of Himmler, not Hitler.

The Squatter-in-Chief is the one who looks more like Hitler with each passing day, IMHO.

And guess what? Quite a few Americans are coming to the same conclusions.

[maveric]

42. Give him time and he could actually be...

Four more years of Rummy and the idiot Fuerher and this whole administration may surpass AH in death and atrocity.

[RC]

3. Is there any doubt that Donald Rumsfeld

is a war criminal and should be removed from office and tried for his crimes?

[Frangible]

4. That's patently absurd

Sure, I don't like Rumsfeld, but to call him as bad as Hitler is not only ignorant, but an insult to history and everyone who suffered under him.

Not that you'd expect much out of statements by North Korea, though. As bad as the Bush administration is, North Korea is worse, and Nazi Germany was a whole nother paradigm of worse that it seems most people can't even fathom these days.

[dArKeR]

5. No, I think you're wrong. There's something called an 'Index of the Times'

which adjusts the 'Crime for the Time.' It factors in Modern Morality, Modern World Consciousness, Moral Majority Yalues, Presidential Moral Values, Modern Guardians of the Earth Values, Awarness of Sin, Learning from the Nazi Past... and when you factor these in Bush and Blair should prosecuted for Crimes Against Humanity equal to the events which occurred under Hilter.

[rjbcar27]

6. Rubbish

Rumsfeld, Blair and Bush are nothing like Hitler.

[MrPrax]

11. Oh...you have a crystal ball?...

Maybe it's only 1933 instead of 2003?

And NK is Stalin's Russia? Maybe that is the NK context...

[stopthegop]

7. index of the times...

IMO...lunacy...devalues the lives of those killed by Nazis and others...

but if it makes you feel better to think that way...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

30. Hey, give the NeoCons a little time...they're just getting warmed up....

...they still have quite a list to plow through before they're done:

Syria
Iran
Saudi Arabia

And then, just for grins, they'll go after all of the other Islamic Nations.

Oh, and let's not forget North Korea, China, Russia, and the European Union...they're also on the long-term NeoCon s___list.

Farfetched? Let's take a look at current events:

1) 120,000 more troops have been called up for duty in the Middle East. The NeoCons claim this is for unit rotation purposes, but I have yet to see anything that indicates any of the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq are being pulled out.

2) Word hit the board this week on the bringing back the military draft. $28 million has been allocated to set up all of the initial systems and be ready to go by mid-July 2005. Legislation proposing a universal draft for males and females between the ages of 19-26 is in committee in both houses of Congress waiting for the green light.

3) Approximately 100 bases will be closed in the U.S. and other non-critical areas around the world. Why? Because the U.S. troops will be in the field taking part in the widespread operations envisioned by the NeoCons.

4) Lots of noise recently about the possibility of a major terror attack on the U.S. How convenient for the NeoCons if that actually happens...then they can declare a "terror emergency", declare martial law, and "postpone" the 2004 elections indefinitely.

5) The Patriot Act II is flying below the radar in Congress as of yesterday. This will allow the FBI to gather data on any subject about anyone without the knowledge of the person being "investigated". Additionally, the businesses from whom the information is being gathered will not be allowed to notify the person being "investigated".

Farfetched? Delusional? I used to think it would be impossible for a presidential election to get hijacked. I also used to think that we would never use the preemptive strike as a first option.

[mobuto]

44. Modern Guardians of the Earth Values?

Sounds like bullshit to me.

You didn't give out your credit card number to these people, did you?

[DemVet]

57. That's absurd

Equating today's events compared to the past is insane.

[bpilgrim]

31. Springtime for HITLER?

more...
http://mall.globalfreepress.com

peace

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. If you believe that W & Rumsfeld LIHOP on 9-11

and sat on their hands while they knew 1000's of Americans were about to die in order to forward their political agendas, then IMHO they are just as bad or even worse than Hitler.

[GCP]

9. You've gotta love their rhetoric, though .....

"Whether he is a political dwarf, human scum or hysteric"

LOL it's priceless.

[lumpy]

10. No. korea doesn't beat around the bush

telling it like it is.LOL

[Muddleoftheroad]

18. No, Kim Jong Il is a lot closer though

He is starving his own people and runs his nation like a fascist version of Michael Jackson's Neverland.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

24. And you base your conclusions on what exactly?...

What the Government tells us?

[Muddleoftheroad]

29. How about reading

You?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

34. The question really has to do with what YOU'RE reading...

...and as a follow-up question, what YOU apparently believe based on the nature and tone of your posts.

If your source is the U.S. Government or any of their media mouthpieces, buyer beware.

You seem to forget, conveniently or otherwise, that the NeoCons have followed the same pattern of demonizing the governments of every single country they've gone after. That includes Afghanistan and Iraq, just in case you may have forgotten or possibly overlooked it in the "reading" that you claim to be doing.

Right now, the NeoCons are working on demonizing Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, and China. They are also working on marginalizing France, Germany, and Russia in hopes that they will be intimidated and kept on the sidelines.

When the NeoCons told us that this was going to be a "long conflict", they weren't kidding in the least. To accomplish their plans of global domination, they have to eliminate or neutralize any nation capable of being a threat. That will take decades to accomplish, IMHO.

And when the Squatter-in-Chief publicly stated three different times that "This would be easier if it were a dictatorship", he wasn't kidding either.

[Muddleoftheroad]

35. I read tons

And follow many links right here, so enough with the scrutiny of my sources.

We don't need neocons to demonize North Korea. If you think THAT is why we should hate them, you are wrong. How about many independent groups that recognize what a scary cult North Korea has become? That and the fact that Kim is starving his people are reasons why people risk death to flee his dictatorship.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

37. "Hate them"??? Were you referring to ALL North Koreans when you...

...made that statement, or are you proving my point about "demonization"?

How many individuals and independent groups recognize what a scary cult the NeoCons have become? They have their hands on FAR more power, military and otherwise, than any two-bit dictator could ever hope to have. And they're using that power in ways never envisioned by our Founding Fathers, or anyone, until the 2000 election.

When it's all said and done, far more people will suffer at the hands of the NeoCons than any made to suffer in a small Asian country.

[Muddleoftheroad]

46. I HATE Kim Jong Il and his cronies

Is that clear enough for you or do you want it somehow more specific than that?

As much as you obfuscate, that's not demonizaton. Kim has helped wreck his country and starved his people. He doesn't need demonization, he is demonic enough on his own.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

51. Oh, I think I've been VERY clear in my resposes to you...

...and if it were not for the current rules here at DU, I'd tell you exactly what I thought of you and your posts in very precise terms.

I have very little patience for posters that support the current line of bull wafting out of the occupied centers of our former government.

I also have very little patience for posters that actually have the gall to deny what the Bushies have done to demonize several foreign governments to attempt to whip up support for war among the great uninformed American masses.

Are my thoughts clear enough for you now?

Speaking of obfuscation, I see that you failed once again to respond to the content of my post. I find that to be typical of those that get backed into a corner and have nothing substantial to say.

[Muddleoftheroad]

53. I am tempted to tell you to go ahead

But I try very hard not to get caught in useless flame wars.

Personally, I have little interest in debating people who refuse to recognize reality. The reality in this case is that pretty much the entire civilized world considers North Korea to be a train wreck. Even they themselves acknowledge they can't feed their people, yet somehow they find money for guns and bombs.

They kidnap citizens of other nations and put their own in workcamps and kill those who dare to try and escape. Not exactly a fun place to be. Even China, their one true ally, has had to kick them in the ass by cutting off oil just to get Kim to listen to reason.

Do I wish war with North Korea? Not on your life. It would be bloody and deadly for both sides. I wish nothing for North Korea except freedom for its citizens.

In the meantime, I would suggest we simply disengage. They are going to build nukes whether we deal with them or not. And we can't stop them without a war. So, no trade. No aid. No travel. No diplomacy. Nothing.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

58. "Disengage"?? Interesting...

No matter how much lipstick you smear on a pig, it's still a pig. IMHO, your view in this discussion has become a pig with waaay too much lipstick.

Your problem is that you continue to repeat opinions based on what you've read in the U.S. mainstream press. Is that how YOU "recognize reality"? How do you personally know that "pretty much the entire civilized world considers North Korea to be a train wreck"?

You even refuse to acknowledge that fifty years of sanctions on North Korea has ruined that country's economy, and the ability to obtain enough food and medicines. You need only look at the misery created by twelve years of sanctions on Iraq to understand that view.

You also refuse to acknowledge that the paranoia exhibited by the leadership of North Korea is in good part based on the isolation forced on it by the U.S. in the guise of the so-called United Nations.

And yes, China did recently cut off the oil to North Korea, but I'm guessing it was done for reasons we don't yet understand, and reasons that have very little to do with forcing "Kim to listen to reason".

Yes, I agree...North Korea is not a "fun place to be". But how it got that way is where we have some major differences in thinking.

[conservdem]

55. What is your opinion on Kim Jong Il?

I agree with Muddleoftheroad's opinion on Kim.

[joeybee12]

12. Naw, he's not Hitler, but give him time

Sure, the comparison is over the top, but you have to admit that he shares Adolf's sick fantasies of power and subversion. And if he thought he could get away with it, he and Ashcroft would be rounding up people and locking them away.

[DoYouEverWonder]

13. You've never heard of Guantanamo?

<sarcasm off>

[cliss]

15. I don't care who says it

as long as they keep saying it: Rumsfeld is evil.

I've read about the sadistic things he did a long time ago to discredit muslim newlyweds. It was like he took a perverse joy in causing havoc which had nothing to do with national defense.

This guy is really out there. I saw a recent photo of him that someone posted on the DU, and it was horrific.

He thinks he is so smart, but he cannot disguise the glittering eyes, the joy he gets from sending people to their deaths. I truly believe he enjoys this.

They put this guy in charge of reconstruction of Iraq. Is it any wonder why there were no plans? All this man knows is warfare.

[alfredo]

16. Rumsfeld and others in this government, have had limited power

so we do not know the full extent of the evil they can commit. If they ever get to the point of not fearing the polls, then we may see them drop the charade.

We just don't know because we still have a few checks and balances left. Tommy Franks gave us a glimpse of the future, pay heed.



About Kim's statement, it takes one to know one.

[Muddleoftheroad]

19. I DO care

North Korea is the worst fascist state in the world and I am not on their side of any issue.

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. Even a broken clock

is right twice a day.

[Muddleoftheroad]

21. They are beyond broken

Their society is a horrifying mockery of a nation. Again, no matter what they say, I say consider the source and stay the hell away from them.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

25. No, I think the poster was referring to you as being a "broken clock".

[Name removed]

39. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[aeon flux]

22. Kim is as bad as Hitler

but so is Bush and gang, IF you accept the notion that they had a hand in 9/11, among other outrages. An event that dwarfs Hitler's Reichstag fire.

[Muddleoftheroad]

23. No

We still compare Hitler in total to who * or Rumseld are NOW. Neither are even the vague shadow of Adolph. Kim, however, is doing a good imitation.

[Catholic Sensation]

40. I would love

for someone to post any hard evidence, other than some conspiracy theories from someone with a modest knowledge of HTML, that is proof Bush had anything to do directly with 9-11.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

45. Have you ever looked at the information surrounding the actions of...

...the FAA in delaying the reporting of the hijacked airliners, and the subsequent decision of NORAD to dispatch interceptors from air bases as far as possible from the potential routes of the airliners? And why were only four interceptors launched during such a critical period?

And what about Cheney's orders at three different times to authorize the shooting down of any airliners still in the sky? Did you know Flight 93 was the only plane to fit that description? And how come Flight 93 left an eight mile trail of debris including an engine before it impacted the ground?

I've already done the research, but you need to do it for yourself so that it will have a greater impact on your thinking.

[loyalsister]

47. Forget that

It is impossible to deny that they used the event to garner support to invade a different country. Going so far as to blame that country. Using media propaganda to create a belief in the collective public consciopusness that there were even Iraqis on board the planes. This MO is identical to the way Hitler manipulated the blame for the Reichstag in order to invade Poland.
One poster above pointed out that people make the mistake of assuming that people are comparing Bush to Hitler- the finished product. The comparison is of the manner in which these two have operated politically to accomplish their goals.
There are important similarities to make it look like they have a political strategy playbook based on Hitler's rise. The use of propaganda, and the curtailing of civil liberties are two important similarities.
It's no surprise. Facism is at the far right end of the spectrum and that's what Hitler was. The fact that they would employ some of the same methodology is not surprising.

[aeon flux]

26. Consider this

BFEE helped Hitler kill millions, including half a million American GIs.

---------------
In October of 1942, under the Trading With the Enemy Act, the U.S. government halted operations at New York's Union Banking Corporation. A bank official was charged with "Running Nazi front groups in the United States."

His name: Prescott Bush.

Prescott Bush, father of future U.S President George Herbert Walker Bush and grandfather of George W. Bush, had been hard at work on behalf of his Nazi partners. In flagrant violation of U.S. law, Prescott Bush had worked tirelessly to launder money, procure raw materials, arrange transportation and provide guidance for the Nazi war effort and the German army he had helped to build.

In April of 2002, George W. Bush -- standing literally on the bones of the men who fell at Normandy beachhead in mortal combat with that very same Nazi army -- delivered his Memorial Day address. He said, in part, "This is a day our country has set apart to remember what was gained in our wars, and all that was lost."

Associated Press reported on this story:
link

[RedSock]

28. kissinger on rummy

i wish i could find a source for this, but someone here posted a quote that had kissinger calling rumsfeld the most evil man he had ever met. and from kissinger, that's saying something.

also: prescott bush kept ties to the nazis into the 1950s, as per a recent article posted here.

[aeon flux]

32. The AP article

acknowledges the bank pappy Bush was a director of was seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act for its ties to the Nazis.

But it also states "The documents do not show any evidence Bush directly aided that effort. His position with Union Banking never was a political issue for Bush, who was elected to the Senate from Connecticut in 1952."

How can you be a bank director and not know it is engaging in business activities with the Nazis? Yeah, sure I believe that.

[cliss]

33. Red, I think it was

"Rumsfeld is the coldest man I have ever met". But I'm not sure. This was just picked up from someone's post here at DU (always good stuff!).

BUT I could be wrong. EVIL is more like it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

36. Here's the quote from a BBC article...

...slightly different in that Kissinger used the word "ruthless" instead of "evil", but the intent is basically the same, IMHO.

Profile: Washington hawk Donald Rumsfeld
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2247256.stm>

Scroll down to find the quote in a yellow block in the right-hand margin:

"'He's the most ruthless man I ever met... and I mean that as a compliment.'

Henry Kissinger on Donald Rumsfeld"

[Catholic Sensation]

38. If any of you truly believe this

you really need to re-examine yourselves. Hitler was easily the second worst person to ever live, and if Stalin hadn't been around he could have been first. I don't recall Rummy orchestrating a plan that led to the murder of over six million people in a really short amount of time. Rummsfeld may be a chickenhawk, but last I checked, that's nowhere near as bad as enslaving and murdering over six million people. But maybe I have a different set of standards.

Media Lies Daily, it isn't only the American media reporting Il's atrocities. The BBC, News World International's various foregn news programs, they all report this. I saw a documentary from the CBC talking about North Korea and how the majority of the people live on disturbingly low levels of food since the rise of Communism in North Korea and the "ironic" corresponding collapse of the whole country economically.

[bpilgrim]

41. Springtime for Hitler?

more...
http://mall.globalfreepress.com/foundation.cgi/00065.html

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

[Media_Lies_Daily]

43. You don't suppose the sanctions that were in place from the end of...

...the Korean War until 2000 had any effect on North Korea's ability to obtain adequate supplies of food and medicines, do you? Surely the U.S. would never stoop to such a level!

Oh, wait...Iraq. My bad.

Oh, and one more thing...Hitler became Chancellor in 1933, seven to eight LONG years before the horrendous "Final Solution" was put into action. You might find some ugly parallels between the Nazis and the NeoCons in the following article:

1933 Elections
<http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GER1933.htm>

Excerpt:

"Although Adolf Hitler had the support of certain sections of the German population he never gained an elected majority. The best the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) could do in a election was 37.3 per cent of the vote they gained in July 1932. When Hitler became chancellor in January 1933, the Nazis only had a third of the seats in the Reichstag.

Soon after Adolf Hitler became chancellor he announced new elections. Hermann Goering called a meeting of important industrialists where he told them that the 1933 General Election could be the last in Germany for a very long time. Goering added that the NSDAP would need a considerable amount of of money to ensure victory. Those present responded by donating 3 million Reichmarks. As Joseph Goebbels wrote in his diary after the meeting: 'Radio and press are at our disposal. Even money is not lacking this time.'"

Give the NeoCons some time...they've only been in power for 3 years, and they have yet to cancel any elections. But, they have control of the military, the media, the backing of the major corporations, and legislation in the form of the Patriot Act and Patriot Act II to do any damn thing they want. Even the U.S. Supreme Court does their bidding. They have also set the wheels in motion for a military draft beginning in 2005 for all males and females between the ages of 19-26. What do you think the NeoCons need all of the extra people in the military, while closing 100 bases in places where we have no priorities? All the NeoCons need to declare martial law and cancel the 2004 elections is another major terrorist act on U.S. soil.

Those that ignore history, and how certain people came to power throughout history, are doomed to repeat it. No truer statement has ever been written. Just because people like Hitler and Stalin lived in the past doesn't mean a person just like that isn't alive today, and isn't willing to do much of the same sorts of things. I can guarantee you that a person with the power to affect world history on the scale of a Hitler or Stalin will never come from a small Asian nation.

Maybe you need to pulll your head out of the sand and re-examine YOUR thinking if you really think the NeoCons aren't a threat to nearly everyone alive today. These people mean business, and their business is global domination.

[Starfire_Sangraal]

48. Destruction is their Middle Name

It amazes me that one would object the nazy ideology inherent to Bush`s administration, as the neocons themselves are self-professedly followers of Prof. Leo Strauss, for whom the nazy doctrine was a template. It`s neither a matter of speculations nor theories... they`ve written essays and books about this and that`s an undisputable question.

How apropos, that the Bush dictatorship would pay homage to its mentors? U.S.'s 'Iron Hammer' Code Name was 1st Used by Nazis.
--The U.S. military's code name for a crackdown on resistance in Iraq was also used by the Nazis for an aborted operation to damage the Soviet power grid during World War II.

Ledeen, whose essays reveal that he prefers that their doctrine be called "Universal Fascism" and who is one of the most remarkable masterminds of the neo-cons movement, illustrates their "creative destruction" creed (see http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Neo-conservative):

"Change -- above all violent change -- is the essence of human history,"

"Creative destruction is our middle name. We do it automatically... it is time once again to export the democratic revolution."

"Total war not only destroys the enemy's military forces, but also brings the enemy society to an extremely personal point of decision, so that they are willing to accept a reversal of the cultural trends," Ledeen writes. "The sparing of civilian lives cannot be the total war's first priority ... The purpose of total war is to permanently force your will onto another people."

If the above doesn`t qualify them as Nazies warming up for holocaust, maybe, USAF Colonel (Ret.) Gardiner would better illustrate how they`ve modelled their strategy of influence on Goebbels`s Big Lie (according to Gardiner, Rumsfeld himself asked for the creation of a Ministry of Propaganda similar to Nazy Germany`s) and, in reality, they`ve have already far surpassed their nazy template`s proficiency:

America's Ministry Of Propaganda Exposed
11-10-3 by USAF Colonel (Ret.) Sam Gardiner

"The 56-page investigation was assembled by USAF Colonel (Ret.) Sam Gardiner. "Truth from These Podia: Summary of a Study of Strategic Influence, Perception Management, Strategic Information Warfare and Strategic Psychological Operations in Gulf II" identifies more than 50 stories about the Iraq war that were faked by government propaganda artists in a covert campaign to "market" the military invasion of Iraq.

Gardiner has credentials. He has taught at the National War College, the Air War College and the Naval Warfare College and was a visiting scholar at the Swedish Defense College.

According to Gardiner, "It was not bad intelligence" that lead to the quagmire in Iraq, "It was an orchestrated effort began before the war" that was designed to mislead the public and the world. Gardiner's research lead him to conclude that the US and Britain had conspired at the highest levels to plant "stories of strategic influence" that were known to be false."

Part 1 A Strategy Of Lies

http://www.earthisland.org/project/newsPage2.cfm?newsID=491&pageID=177&subSiteID=44
Part 2 Transforming Language

http://www.earthisland.org/project/newsPage2.cfm?newsID=492&pageID=177&subSiteID=44

Part 3 Targeting Critics And PsyOps
http://www.earthisland.org/project/newsPage2.cfm?newsID=493&pageID=177&subSiteID=44

Part 4 Black Programs And The Future
http://www.earthisland.org/project/newsPage2.cfm?newsID=494&pageID=177&subSiteID=44

Finally, don`t forget Martial Law in the making:
GEN.FRANKS DOUBTS CONSTITUTION WOULD SURVIVE WMD ATTACK
at http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/20/185048.shtml

"Gen. Tommy Franks, who recently retired as head of Central Command, warns that if terrorists succeed in using a weapon of mass destruction against the U.S. or one of our allies, it would likely bring an end to our Constitution and may give rise to a military form of government."

Welcome to the 4th Reich!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

52. Excellent post...thanks!!

[Starfire_Sangraal]

54. Thank *You* :) We Shall Know the Truth... n/t

[teryang]

59. Low grade terror, big time belligerence

The provocations, propaganda efforts, misinformation, and psychological warfare are all reminiscient of Rheinhard Heydrich's operations before each of Germany's invasions leading up to WWII.

The holocaust is only one criterion. We've already got our version of the Reichstag fire, the enabling act, the ethnic round up, Dachau, the ubiquitous enemies of the state and the pandemic corruption of our national institutions now disguised as a reaction to security concerns. The neocon's have only killed tens of thousands in Iraq so far. Give them a chance. After November 2004, the possibilities are endless and the risks are astronomical.

The belligerent unconstitutional rule of our current regime is a low grade form of domestic terror. Internationally, it is a different picture. Their premeditated policies are based upon a vision of world domination imposed by force. If the regime is still in office after Jan. 20, 2005, they will move onto the bigger scorecard. Keep in mind that millions were killed during the Korean and Vietnam conflicts. There is a racist element to this in that there is an innate American tendency to think that it is OK to "mow em down" if they aren't white protestants. One of the dangers is that we are headed toward mulitple simultaneous conflicts without the prospect of any achievable political objective. For example, the balance of power on the Korean penisula cannot be affected by force. The issue isn't America versus Kim Jong Il, it is America v. China.

The bullying of international institutions and repeated threats to attack other nations will reap catastrophic international results if left unchecked. Domestically, they are still in the compiling lists stage of a nascent dictatorship. The legal and illegal underpinnings of dictatorship and totalitarianism are already in place.

They are not as brutal as Hitler is not a very persuasive argument. Their notion of dictatorship is more along the lines of that proposed by Machiavelli in the Discourses but it shares disturbing similarities to the Nazi rise to power. It is also quite capable of leading to WWIII. In fact the American invasion of Iraq could be regarded as a first step to greater wars which will produce collosal casualties.

[goforit]

49. How can the world tolerate all this injustice?

Is their anyone in the military that still has their head on their shoulders?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

50. Stupid hyperbole from stupid loons.

Try Pinochet, then you'd be closer to reality.

[conservdem]

56. No.