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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 06:41 PM Original message |
Duke accuser told conflicting stories, police report says |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. She also said there were three other dancers: Nikki, Tammy, and Angel. |
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Lenore (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 08:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Then there's that time she claimed Kim, aka "Nikki" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 08:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Did you see the police report (with the attorney's letter)? |
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Lenore (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 08:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Oh that we don't have access to page 1305... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 09:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. It was probably one of the investigator's restaurant bills for his |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 09:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. He was probably one of Nifong's political hacks |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. But he only succeeded in making them look |
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bigdarryl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-24-06 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. Duke case |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-24-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. These are not "leaks"! These are usually from motions filed in court |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-24-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. The vast majority is state evidence, not defense evidence. The defense is |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-24-06 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
10. This case will fall apart, even if the guys are guilty |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-24-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. The chances that the students are guilty are vanishingly small, |
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idgiehkt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 09:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
32. no shit. I'm gonna buy me a brand new notepad and a new pen. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 09:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Don't you think that if you had been a dancer that night -- |
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laureloak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 09:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Why are you so sure she was raped? n/t |
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laureloak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 09:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
44. What makes you think she really was raped? n/t |
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oneinok (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 07:10 AM Response to Reply #44 |
155. Where are the protests? |
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chookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 11:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
55. No. She has powerful allies |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
13. ... The defense attorneys have declined requests from The Associated Press |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 04:35 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. A defense attorney stupid enough to do that would make himself liable |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 03:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. So if the defense lawyers hand out snippets, AP shouldn't ask questions? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 03:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Of course they should ask questions. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 09:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. AP should ask -- but you'll question their motives? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 09:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Asking questions is entirely different than asking to have the |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 09:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. AP should not only act as stenographers BUT vindicate the defense .. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 09:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. They didn't need to report the transaction between themselves and |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 09:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. You know that the defense told AP something different than "No"? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 11:52 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. They didn't need to. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 06:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Oh, that's rich! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 08:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. What's your theory about why the accuser |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 10:21 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. She was intoxicated |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 10:58 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. If she was bombed out of her skull enough not to know how many |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 11:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Because she identified them when she was sober |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 11:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Because the memories a person forms when they are intoxicated are |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 02:46 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. I wasn't necessarily talking about alcohol |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 03:17 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I was assuming you were talking about alcohol because the dancer |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 07:35 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. seems I'm always the designated driver |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 07:56 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. You can't speculate about date rape drug without a tox report |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 02:16 AM Response to Reply #64 |
139. Nifong said no such thing |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 08:16 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. So how long does it take to go from a phone report to a written report? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 09:30 AM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Good question, BrownOak. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 09:27 AM Response to Reply #63 |
73. You're right. That's terrible. Why didn't they just send the results out |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 01:12 AM Response to Reply #73 |
135. Not always, no |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 02:02 AM Response to Reply #135 |
136. Thanks for the info. One thing I do know, is that there is a very small |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 05:30 AM Response to Reply #136 |
148. No, she never did |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 02:34 AM Response to Reply #73 |
141. God, I'm so sorry about your niece's friends! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 03:53 AM Response to Reply #141 |
144. It was very very frustrating that they weren't given screens. Also, since |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 05:11 AM Response to Reply #73 |
147. oooops, forgot something else... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 06:31 AM Response to Reply #147 |
152. So do you know how long N.C. discovery rules give him to produce |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 09:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. About the rumors of a toxicology report |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 11:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Simple |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 11:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I don't think it would matter if Seligman had ANY alibi evidence, or if |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 03:13 AM Response to Reply #53 |
143. You watch too much CSI |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 04:14 AM Response to Reply #143 |
146. I've never watched a single CSI. |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. Not the same thing |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 12:04 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. I know they let Dan Abrams look at it. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 12:51 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Transcript of Dan Abrams recent Dateline interview about the case |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 08:07 AM Response to Reply #57 |
66. Nifong has to disclose the SBI lab report during discovery |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 08:27 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. How so???? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 08:36 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. "Turned over" is not the same as "letting look" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 09:54 AM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Thanks for the Abrams report link. n/t |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 12:28 AM Response to Reply #66 |
133. He CAN sit on it |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 12:22 AM Response to Reply #57 |
131. DNA testing isn't chemicals |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 08:02 AM Response to Reply #50 |
65. Sorry, but Nifong is compelled to disclose a tox report during discovery |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 04:11 AM Response to Reply #65 |
145. Deleted message |
iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 08:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
121. thanks to struggle4progress and TorchTheWitch |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 08:50 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. Just one quick response, Iverglass |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 09:03 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. certainly not how I understood it |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 12:35 AM Response to Reply #124 |
134. The police report referenced in the OP has indeed been filed with the |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:36 AM Response to Reply #134 |
162. no, I'm not confused |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 12:07 PM Response to Reply #162 |
167. You're right, I made a mistake. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 12:39 PM Response to Reply #167 |
174. aargh |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 01:21 PM Response to Reply #174 |
176. Torchthewitch provided a good explanation of why the whole file |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #176 |
178. that's dandy |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 02:11 PM Response to Reply #178 |
180. It wasn't just a single, ill-considered outburst. According to the |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 11:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
58. But they have given all of the first round to MSNBC n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 10:03 AM Response to Reply #58 |
76. The attorneys allowed a trusted reporter one viewing of the file |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
15. What I'm most worried about here |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 09:19 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I am more concerned about due process and a judicial process |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 05:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
149. You have got to be kidding |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 02:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. That's why Nifong is slime. He took advantage of racial divisions that |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 03:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Do you come up with this stuff yourself or is there a listserver? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 03:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I'm not sure what you're asking. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 09:02 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. "Slimy Nifong" exploiting "racial divisions"? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 12:14 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Exactly. His black Democratic primary opponent accused him of using |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 06:10 AM Response to Reply #39 |
150. He stopped talking to the press when the indictments came down |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 06:49 AM Response to Reply #150 |
153. Ever since 9/11 I can hardly stand to turn the TV news on. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 03:38 AM Response to Reply #20 |
40. I think I finally figured out what you were asking. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
18. More Cherry-Picked Info From the Defense |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 02:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Taint the jury pool? Intimidate the accuser? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 04:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. And it was the prosecutor who called the students "hooligans" and |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. The Hospital Report Now Says She Wasn't Raped? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. The hospital report doesn't make a judgment about rape. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. The hospital report does not support accuser's account, as pnwmom says |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 06:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. IndianaGreen, you might be interested in this Salon commentary |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 06:54 AM Response to Reply #28 |
154. The defense CAN'T let the press look at the SANE |
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chookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
56. A SANE does not interpret evidence |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 06:17 AM Response to Reply #26 |
151. We don't know WHAT the SANE report says |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #151 |
168. But we know what parts of the report say, unless you think that |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. When have you EVER heard of a defense attorney turning |
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laureloak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 09:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
45. Since you don't know who is telling the truth, |
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philosophie_en_rose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
48. So people in trauma are expected to have photographic memories? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 11:18 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. You're right, it doesn't. That's not how our system, with its presumption |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 05:45 PM Response to Reply #51 |
95. Have you ever been raped? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 05:51 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. have you got a point? |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 05:55 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Do you make it a point to answer a question |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 06:01 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. send a private message if you want it to be private |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Manners are important too |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. nope. And here's a question for you |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 06:36 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. LOL. Thanks again, onenote. |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 06:38 PM Response to Reply #105 |
112. Why don't you let pnwmom answer for herself? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. I think onenote was doing a good job of responding in my stead. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 07:17 PM Response to Reply #112 |
118. show me where I've posted anything close to what you claim I've posted |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Deleted sub-thread |
pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 06:31 PM Response to Reply #99 |
109. Do you make it a point to ask such personal questions in a public space? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #97 |
108. Thank you onenote. That was a better answer than I could come up with |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #51 |
100. Amazing |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 06:33 PM Response to Reply #100 |
110. Not amazing at all. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 08:09 AM Response to Reply #48 |
67. Yeah, we gave more than a little room to Tawana Brawley |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 01:03 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. You do realize that the grand jury declined to indict in the Brawley case |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 01:19 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Al Sharpton made a name for himself off Tawana |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 01:24 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. "false allegations" |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 01:30 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. "real or imagined" rape |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 01:44 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Hello? |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. The inverse of that would be |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 05:23 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. The victim said she was raped |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. The victim ALSO said, at least two other times, that she WASN'T raped. |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Let's try this again |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 06:26 PM Response to Reply #98 |
107. The original documents that are out there aren't a result of "leaking." |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 10:04 PM Response to Reply #107 |
126. So the black voters of Durham voted for him based on one case? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 02:04 AM Response to Reply #126 |
137. He won by a very small margin, and he got twice as many black votes |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 07:15 AM Response to Reply #137 |
156. So the causality is....? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #156 |
169. Obviously, there was no exit polling, but it doesn't matter. |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 07:29 PM Response to Reply #169 |
182. It doesn't matter? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 07:40 PM Response to Reply #182 |
185. His black opponents believed he was exploiting the case to win the |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #185 |
189. Oh, and his black opponents had no dog in the fight eh? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:06 PM Response to Reply #189 |
194. If you don't live in the community they very well may know more |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 06:48 PM Response to Reply #98 |
116. Alleged Statements? |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 07:12 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. When they're introduced at trial |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 07:32 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. The documents that have been filed are already part of the official |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 10:15 PM Response to Reply #119 |
127. Assuming you're right....about what? |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 12:26 AM Response to Reply #127 |
132. So do you think he's turned over this potential load... |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:02 AM Response to Reply #132 |
160. Abrams CAN'T have seen all the discovery |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 02:09 AM Response to Reply #127 |
138. So even if all three defendants are actually innocent, you |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 11:34 AM Response to Reply #138 |
166. And if they're guilty, I should do what? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 12:27 PM Response to Reply #166 |
170. I think she is a woman who has had a tough life and made |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 04:36 PM Response to Reply #170 |
181. A DA pursuing a gang rape case is "using" the victim? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. A DA pursuing an ALLEGED gang rape case, based on contradictory |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:01 PM Response to Reply #183 |
191. Let me ask you this |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:09 PM Response to Reply #191 |
195. I'm not a lawyer and I don't know the judge involved, or what |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:54 PM Response to Reply #195 |
201. ah....."waiting for discovery to be over" |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 07:46 AM Response to Reply #119 |
159. He HAS to |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:39 AM Response to Reply #159 |
163. I don't think that's right -- prosecutorial discretion is well settled |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #159 |
171. Since the ID's did not follow police dept. or NC procedure, was the |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 07:53 PM Response to Reply #159 |
188. You're not allowing for prosecutorial discretion. |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 06:42 PM Response to Reply #88 |
113. OK |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 10:23 PM Response to Reply #113 |
129. Yeah.....when was Dan Abrams made the judge in the case? |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 12:07 AM Response to Reply #129 |
130. Right about the time Mike Nifong was made the judge in the case... |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 07:19 AM Response to Reply #130 |
157. Let me ask you this... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #157 |
172. It is actually possible that Abrams knows more, since Nifong had |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #172 |
184. Do you believe that Abrams has seen more evidence than the DA? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 02:29 AM Response to Reply #129 |
140. Abrams claims that he saw all the pages, that they were numbered |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 07:21 AM Response to Reply #140 |
158. "All the pages"? All of what? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 12:37 PM Response to Reply #158 |
173. I didn't say that Abrams said he had seen all of the prosecution's |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. We have proof that the accuser made multiple claims about the alleged |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. You have all the evidence lying in front of you, then, right? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 06:07 PM Response to Reply #93 |
103. No one needs to see the entire file to have proof that the dancer |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 05:10 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. By your definition, there would never be a false rape claim. |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Uh, yeah there would (and have been) |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. I've never cited the Brawley case, and I'm a DU'er. |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 05:50 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. My apologies |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
114. thanks, Fred Scuttle. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 05:31 PM Response to Reply #80 |
89. since you asked |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Let me be clearer |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 08:42 PM Response to Reply #80 |
122. donchew know?? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 02:36 AM Response to Reply #122 |
142. Why is it that so many of the posters here who talk about defense |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:42 AM Response to Reply #142 |
164. dang, eh? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 06:13 PM Response to Reply #78 |
106. Speaking of the Scottsboro boys |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
70. Defense lawyers: Dancer claimed she wasn't raped (June 26) |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 09:13 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. IndianaGreen stop already you are trouncing sacred cows |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Genie_weenie, I am afraid |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
82. Those poor kids who worked so hard to get into duke...likely not |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. non sequitur much? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
120. I think a number of the posters here have a misunderstanding about |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 09:36 PM Response to Reply #120 |
125. well, I'm seeing another misunderstanding |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 10:16 PM Response to Reply #125 |
128. i don't have a problem with not presuming their innocence, but i do have |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:26 AM Response to Reply #128 |
161. the giveaway |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:49 AM Response to Reply #161 |
165. My apologies. I should have chosen my words more carefully |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 12:43 PM Response to Reply #161 |
175. But this woman claims to have been kicked, beaten, and strangled by |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 01:38 PM Response to Reply #175 |
177. balancing interests |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 02:01 PM Response to Reply #177 |
179. I doubt that they are considering any attempt at redress because, |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 07:46 PM Response to Reply #179 |
186. Their appearance was a major strike against them? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 07:57 PM Response to Reply #186 |
190. In the early weeks of this case I read MANY posts by DU'ers focusing |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:06 PM Response to Reply #190 |
193. It's fruitless to go on quibbling about this |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:18 PM Response to Reply #193 |
197. Sure their behavior warrants criticism. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:22 PM Response to Reply #190 |
199. perhaps it cuts both ways |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 07:50 PM Response to Reply #175 |
187. Who cares about the $$ their families are spending in attorney's fees? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:05 PM Response to Reply #187 |
192. No one has proven that those students are any more |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:10 PM Response to Reply #192 |
196. Is "homo-bashing" a run-of-the-mill activity for college students? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:19 PM Response to Reply #196 |
198. Are you prejudging that trial? You really don't believe in the |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 08:49 PM Response to Reply #198 |
200. Because the accuser isn't on trial for gang rape, that's why. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 09:06 PM Response to Reply #200 |
202. Nope. He wasn't charged with a hate crime. They specifically |
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203. I'm honestly amazed! |
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