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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 12:32 AM
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Gephardt Attacks Dean's Record as Governor of Vermont
"Representative Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri sharply attacked Howard Dean's record as governor of Vermont on Sunday, accusing Dr. Dean of trying to balance the state budget by repeatedly slashing social programs for the poor and the disabled in the 1990's.

Mr. Gephardt criticized Dr. Dean for cutting spending on health care, dental coverage, special education and services for the poor, the blind and the disabled from 1993 to 1996.

Some of that money was ultimately restored to those programs by state legislators and the courts, Mr. Gephardt said, but he used those examples to draw a contrast between what he described as Dr. Dean's willingness to sacrifice social services for the poor and his own record of protecting such services as House majority leader under President Bill Clinton...."

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/24/politics/campaigns/24GEPH.html?ei=5062&en=038b83a729bab04f&ex=1070254800&partner=GOOGLE&pagewanted=print&position=
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 12:34 AM
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1. When are we going to stop eating our own?
:evilfrown:
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 01:39 AM
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16. What else is new...
he doesn't have a chance so he's going to say anything he can to make himself look good...


Somebody kick the record player...it's getting old Dick...
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ThorsteinVeblen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 12:35 AM
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2. Somone tell Dickie to shut up
Dick Gephardt couldn't lead himself out of paper bag. The guy is a coward and an idiot with no vision who would sell his own mother if he thought it would benefit him politically. They guy has destroyed the Democratic majority in Congress. His little episode with Bush in the Rose Garden made me sick to my stomach. He has no eyebrows.

Why doesn't the bastard just drop out now?

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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 12:55 AM
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3. Little Dickie is the party establishment personified
I couldn't agree more with your assessment of this appeasing dud. He's a fairly good example of what's wrong with the entrenched core of the party - proud of his accomodation of the Republicans, good-naturedly played for a fool by power again and again - truly a Lieberman among Lierbermen.
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pasadenaboy Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 12:55 AM
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5. couldn't agree more
he was the worst minority leader ever. We lost seats in the house with each election cycle he was minority leader. He's a sell out. My nickname for him is Vichy Gephardt because all he does is collaborate with the repubs in sending this country down the toilet.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 12:55 AM
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4. Gephardt
can't run on his own record so all he has done the entire time is attack Gov. Dean. Pitiful.

I salute Gep for actually cancelling a campaign function to be in DC for the medicare vote.

He gets a raspberry for (most of) his congressional record and campaign style.
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phirili Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 01:00 AM
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6. So untrue. Brush Dean started the attacks on Gephardt.
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pasadenaboy Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 01:03 AM
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7. where does "brush" come from?
I don't get it.
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phirili Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 01:09 AM
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9. Howard Brush Dean is his name. Kinda suits his flip flopping
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pasadenaboy Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 01:14 AM
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10. I still don't get it
is it a takeoff on shrub?
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phirili Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 01:21 AM
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11. Dean's middle name symbolizes his flip flop style.
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ThorsteinVeblen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 01:22 AM
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12. Don't ask
Remember you are dealing with a Gephardt supporter.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 01:32 AM
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14. no he's a Kerry operative
they will use anything
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ThorsteinVeblen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 01:06 AM
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8. Because little Dickie deserves to be attacked
Edited on Mon Nov-24-03 01:21 AM by ThorsteinVeblen
Little Dickie deserves to be tarred, feathered and handed his hat. Get that guy out of Congress now! Drop his naked ass off in the heart of Bagdhad and see how long it takes for him to be reduced to a sniveling, whining, fetal-positioned whelp.

I'll give you 20-to-1 that he doesn't last 30 seconds.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 01:31 AM
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13. that is not true
gep set up a whole website devoted to Dean bashing .. much like many of the posts here at DU .. no wonder you sympathize with his *non*tactics.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 02:40 AM
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21. "Dr. Dean started the most recent exchange on Nov. 17"
Dr. Dean started the most recent exchange on Nov. 17, when he hit Mr. Gephardt with the first negative television advertisement of the campaign season, one week after a local poll indicated that Mr. Gephardt was leading here.

The advertisement attacked Mr. Gephardt for voting to support the invasion of Iraq and for voting in favor of the allocation of $87 billion to support American troops and reconstruction efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A day later, Dr. Dean's campaign sent an e-mail message to journalists that questioned Mr. Gephardt's viability as a candidate, noting that he had also struggled to raise money and counted on winning Iowa in his unsuccessful bid for the presidency in 1988.

On Saturday, Mr. Gephardt released a negative television advertisement of his own, saying that in a debate in New York, Dr. Dean had publicly supported the appropriation of the $87 billion for Iraq. That same day, while Dr. Dean held rallies with his union supporters, the Gephardt campaign issued a statement saying that Dr. Dean supported the privatization of public sector jobs in the 1990's.

On Sunday, Mr. Gephardt denied that he was ratcheting up the rivalry with Dr. Dean.

"I respect his view," Mr. Gephardt told reporters after his speech. "I just think he's wrong. We have two distinct records here on how to deal with economics, jobs and the budget. There's a different way, in my view, to do these things."
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/24/politics/campaigns/24GEPH.html


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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 01:35 AM
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Is this is or is this not true people?
I dont have much use for Gephardt either, but I wanna know, whether its the truth or not. :shrug: I guess I wont get my answer.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 02:23 AM
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19. that's what I want to know too
I'm a Gep supporter, but my first question is, is this true, does Dean have a record of excessive cutting of social programs?

That was also my question about his criticisms of Dean on Medicare, I wanted to know if it was true, which in my judgement it turned out to be.

So we'll see, maybe tomorrow at the debate this will come up...
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 02:30 AM
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20. Cocoa youre a Gep supporter?
Hey sorry I didnt know that you know. Now I admit I am not the biggest fan of your guy but hey on some things he's one of our best honestly, I dont think anyone in their right mind can deny he is top notch on labor. I wanna know that too. I know people dont like Gephardt, still did he or did he not to this. I am glad a Gep supporter came in and wanted to know. BTW how do you do this Cocoa? It must be hell for you when your candiate is probably the most disliked here after Lieberman. I dont put those two in the same boat honestly.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 03:08 AM
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22. Dean's budget zeal
(When Dean became governor) they (liberal Democrats) were all thinking, oh we got a Democrat back in the governor's office. And all of the sudden they find Howard Dean's worse on spending (than Snelling). The state was headed into a recession at the time. And Snelling before he died, he and Ralph Wright cut a deal on raising the income taxes and (inaud.) the deficit--a few years of austerity. Howard stuck with the plan. And as Dick McCormack (Democratic Senator from Windsor) will tell you of the meeting where he (Dean) met with the Democratic Caucus and told them then, and this might have been before, when he was still lieutenant governor, and told the Democratic Senators, you're never going to win because people don't trust you with their money. None of your great and lofty goals and plans and aspirations will ever be achieved because people don't trust Democrats with their money. We got to prove it to 'em. And that was key. I mean his political enemies for the first three terms were Democrats at the State House, not Republicans. Republicans loved his budgets.
--Peter Freyne, veteran Vermont political reporter
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/dean/dean0702/freyneint.html


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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 01:35 AM
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15. Gephardt / Kerry cannot run on their own record
Too much bullshit under the bridge.

Get OVER IT.

“As a physician, I've seen the suffering caused by this nation's health care crisis, and as Governor, I know it can be solved.”

Health Care – 96% of Vermont’s children have health care coverage thanks in part to Governor Dean’s Dr. Dynasaur program, and an additional 3% are eligible for coverage.

Access – Governor Dean expanded health care for children in low to middle income families. Children 18 or under, whose families are at or below 300% of the Federal Poverty Line, are eligible for insurance at virtually no cost.

Mental Health – Howard Dean was the first Governor in the nation to sign the Mental Health and Substance Abuse Parity Act. This bill guarantees coverage for mental illness and substance abuse at the same level as severe illness.

Women’s Health – During Governor Dean’s tenure, the breast and cervical cancer rate went from slightly above average to below the US average, thanks to Vermont’s comprehensive screening system. Vermont’s Medicaid program was also expanded to cover treatment for women diagnosed with breast and cervical cancer.

Teen Pregnancy – Under Governor Dean, teen pregnancy rates dropped 49%, to the lowest rate in the country.

“Healthy Families Visionary Leadership Award” – Presented by Prevent Child Abuse America.
Dean's Record on Children's Health Care

“Give children hope by investing in prevention.”

Success By Six – As a doctor, Governor Dean has placed a strong emphasis on early childhood prevention and health care, which is why 89% of pregnant Vermont women enter prenatal care in the first trimester of pregnancy. In Vermont, 91% of families with a birth received a community visit, and those parents who wanted assistance and support received it.

Dr. Dynasaur – Governor Dean has expanded children and pregnant women’s access to health care. Currently 58,903 children are covered under the program. Dr. Dynasaur covers children up to the age of 18 within families up to 300% of the Federal Poverty Line.

Child Abuse – During Governor Dean’s tenure, Vermont was the first state to institute a statewide protocol for abuse investigations. In return, Vermont saw a 45% decline in physical and sexual abuse of children. This included a 64% decline in physical abuse victims ages 0-3 and a 43% decline in physical abuse victims ages 0-6.

Child Sexual Abuse – 84% decline in sexual abuse victims ages 0-3 and 70% decline in sexual abuse victims ages 0-6.

Immunization – 81.1% of children are fully immunized by age 2 and 97% by the time they start kindergarten, which makes Vermont second in the nation in child immunizations.
Dean's Record on Serving the Elderly

“We can provide higher quality of life by avoiding institutional services whenever possible.”

Prescription Drugs – Governor Dean understands the importance of access to prescription drugs in preserving the health and avoiding unnecessary institutional care of our seniors and people with disabilities. While in office Governor Dean expanded pharmaceutical assistance to these Vermonters. Vermont has three pharmacy assistance programs with the level of benefits for each program indexed to household income. Seniors and people with disabilities can have incomes up to 225% of the federal poverty line and receive assistance with their prescriptions.

Nursing Homes– Governor Dean decreased the state’s reliance on nursing homes by mandating that funds be shifted from nursing homes to other services, such as home health care where people can live with independence and dignity. Over $30 million dollars has been shifted from paying for nursing homes to paying for in-home and community based services.

Home Health Care< – Between 1996 and 2000, there was a 161.3% increase in individuals receiving a home based waiver and services, while there was a decrease of 13.5% of individuals living in nursing homes.
Dean's Record on Prescription Drug Costs

“As a physician, I've seen the suffering caused by this nation’s health care crisis, and as a Governor, I know it can be solved.”

Drug Patent Reform – Governor Dean was founder of Business for Affordable Medicine (BAM), a coalition of governors, business and organized labor with one objective - closing loopholes used by brand name drug manufacturers to prevent or delay lower-priced generic drugs from reaching the marketplace when patents expired. Governor Dean created and coordinated unanimous passage of NGA policy on the need to reform the Hatch-Waxman Act. Thanks to his leadership with other governors, the U.S. Senate and House have included provisions that would close some loopholes in the currently pending Medicare prescription drug bill.

Preferred Drug Lists and Supplemental Rebates – Under Governor Dean, Vermont has been a leader in lowering drug costs in the Medicaid program. Dean wants to expand these measures nationally:



Preferred Drug Lists (PDLs) to ensure that doctors and patients use less expensive medications where clinically possible. Vermont started with one class of drugs - Gastric acid reducers – which includes the highly-advertised drugs Prilosec and Nexium, and put a less expensive therapeutically equivalent alternative drug on the preferred list. The results have been remarkable: Vermont’s Medicaid expenditure on gastric acid reducers has been slashed by 43%.

Forcing Pharmacy Benefits Managers (PBMs) to have transparent contracts with the manufacturers to disclose any financial incentives they might receive from drug manufacturers. Vermont was one of the first states to implement such an agreement, and this is another step that Governor Dean wants to take nationally.

Finally, Vermont last summer expanded the PDL and began to negotiate supplemental rebates with drug companies, in addition to those the companies provide in accordance with federal Medicaid law.
The Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a trade group known as PhRMA filed suit against the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, questioning HHS’ authority to grant states the ability to use PDL’s. Governor Dean organized 22 other Governors who sent a letter of support to Secretary Tommy Thompson on August 12, 2002. In addition, Governor Dean organized a press conference on this suit with other Governors at the National Governors Association summer meeting.

Disclosure of Gifts to Doctors – Last June, Governor Dean signed a bill into law which, among other things, made Vermont the first state in the nation to require pharmaceutical manufacturers to disclose the value, nature, and purpose of any gift, fee, subsidy, or other economic benefit provided to any physician, hospital, nursing home, pharmacist or health benefit plan administrator in Vermont.

Re-importation for personal use – Governor Dean has endorsed the strategy of United Health Alliance’s Medicine Assist program, enabling U.S. citizens to obtain prescription drugs from Canada via fax. Canadian drug prices are, on average, half those in the United States. Governor Dean has held numerous press conferences encouraging people to take advantage of the plan to make their prescription drug costs more affordable.

A Strong Record of Protecting Victims of Domestic Violence

"Domestic violence impacts every aspect of a victim's life and is a problem that requires a community response. – Howard Dean, MD"

Child Custody – Governor Dean signed a law that requires judges to consider evidence of abuse when determining parental rights in divorce cases.

Child Support – Governor Dean signed the Abuse Prevention and Child Support law which requires abusers to pay child support and living expenses to spouses who request court protection and have no other means of support.

Confidentiality – Governor Dean signed a law entitled the Address Confidentiality for Victims of Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault and Stalking, known as the “Safe at Home” program that offers victims of domestic violence, sexual assault and stalking a free and confidential mailing address through the office of the Secretary of State.

Government Involvement – Governor Dean signed an executive order enhancing state assistance to victims of domestic violence. Efforts include raising awareness of domestic violence in local workplaces, providing state employees access to a 24-hour domestic violence resource hotline, and granting state employees who are victims of domestic violence time off from their jobs to seek counseling, medical assistance or alternate housing.

Public Education – Governor Dean included information about domestic violence on the paycheck of every state employee.

Improving Community Response – Governor Dean created the Domestic Violence Fatality Review Commission to examine domestic violence fatalities, identify strengths and weaknesses in the community response to domestic violence, educate the public about intervention and prevention, and recommend policies to reduce fatalities due to domestic violence.

Child Abuse – During Governor Dean’s tenure, Vermont was the first state to institute a statewide protocol for abuse investigations. In that time the incidence of physical and sexual abuse of children declined 45%, including a 64% decline in physical abuse of victims younger than 4 and a 43% decline in physical abuse victims younger than 7. The decline in child sexual abuse was even more dramatic, with a 72% decline in victims younger than 4 and 84% decline in victims younger than 7.

“Healthy Families Visionary Leadership Award” – Presented by Prevent Child Abuse America to Governor Dean in March 2002.

A Strong Record of Accomplishment on Issues Important to Women


Dean's Record on Supporting Women

Women Appointees - Governor Dean appointed more women to positions of leadership during his tenure than any other state. At one point, the percentage of women appointees in his Administration was higher than the percentage of women in the state. Also, about 50% of his judicial appointments were women.

Pro-Choice - Gov. Dean is a strong supporter of abortion rights. He believes that government should not interfere with medical decisions. He stood against legislative proposals that would require parental notification and ban late-term abortions.

Fair Pay - Vermont passed legislation that expands federal wage discrimination laws into state jurisdiction and toughens the law so that the federal standards apply to all Vermont businesses.

Family Leave - Governor Dean is in favor of paid family leave, similar to the legislation that passed in California.
Dean's Record on Health Care

Health Coverage - 96% of Vermont’s children have health care coverage through Governor Dean’s Dr. Dynasaur program, and an additional 3% are eligible for coverage.

Child Immunization - 81.1% of children are fully immunized by age 2 and 97% by the time they start kindergarten, which makes Vermont second in the national in child immunizations.

Prenatal Care - More pregnant women get early, comprehensive prenatal care. Currently about 89% of pregnant women enter prenatal care during first trimester of pregnancy.

Breast Cancer - More Vermont women are being screened for breast cancer, and the death rate from breast cancer is significantly down. It’s now below the U.S. rate thanks in part to Ladies First, the state’s comprehensive breast and cervical cancer screening system.

Teen Pregnancy - During Governor Dean’s tenure, pregnancy rates for young teens dropped 49%. Vermont has the lowest teen pregnancy rate in the country.

Contraceptive Coverage - In 1999, Governor Dean signed a law that requires insurance plans with prescription drug coverage to cover FDA-approved forms of contraceptives. As a doctor, Dean knows that affordable access to family planning is essential for women. Insurance plans that do not cover contraceptives are unacceptable and discriminatory. Vermont is one of only eight states to receive an "A" grade from NARAL for access to contraceptives.
Dean's Record on Children and Families

Child Support – Under Gov. Dean, Vermont’s Office of Child Support has been very successful in meeting the challenge of collecting child support. In 1999, Vermont achieved a rating of 65% of cases with collections. This is the second highest collection rate in the country — in spite of increasing caseloads. The national average was 37% of cases with collections, a figure that Vermont has nearly doubled.

Success by Six – As a doctor, Governor Dean has placed a strong emphasis on early childhood prevention and health care, which is why 89% of pregnant Vermont women enter prenatal care in the first trimester of pregnancy. In Vermont, 91% of families with a new birth received a community visit, and parents who need it, get help and support.

Child Care – Our investment in Child Care Services has increased by 176% since 1991. Unlike some other states, there is no wait list for working parents with young children who are eligible for a childcare subsidy.

Child Abuse – Vermont was the first state to institute a statewide protocol for abuse investigations. In return, Vermont saw a 45% decline in physical and sexual abuse of children. This included a 64% decline in physical abuse victims ages 0-3 and a 43% decline in physical abuse victims ages 0-6.

Welfare Reform – Vermont was the first state to implement a statewide time-limited welfare program. In 1994, two years before federal welfare reform, Vermont reformed its program. Over the course of the 7-year project, caseloads declined by more than 48% and employment and earnings of participants rose more than 42%.

A Record of Commitment to Serving the Elderly


“We can provide higher quality of life by avoiding institutional services whenever possible.”

Prescription Drugs – Governor Dean understands the importance of access to prescription drugs in preserving health and avoiding unnecessary institutional care of our seniors and people with disabilities. While in office Governor Dean expanded pharmaceutical assistance to these Vermonters. Vermont has three pharmacy assistance programs with the level of benefits for each program indexed to household income. Seniors and people with disabilities can have incomes up to 225% of the federal poverty line and receive assistance with their prescriptions.
Nursing Homes – Governor Dean decreased the state’s reliance on nursing homes by mandating that funds be shifted from nursing homes to other services, such as home health care where people can live with independence and dignity. Over $30 million dollars has been shifted from paying for nursing homes to paying for in-home and community based services.

Home Health Care – Between 1996 and 2000, there was a 161.3% increase in individuals receiving a home-based waiver and services, while there was a decrease of 13.5% in individuals living in nursing homes.
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Byronic Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 06:25 AM
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23. Hang on...
John Kerry can't run on his own record? Regardless of what you think of his IWR vote, Kerry's record is very impressive. He has been a liberal champion in the senate for many years.

Some think he should stay in the senate, some think he should be in the White House in January 2005, but surely his voting record speaks for itself?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 01:57 AM
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17. Gebhart
This guy couldn't even get the Clinton Health Care bill through a Democratic House.

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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 01:59 AM
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18. Good for Gephardt
He needs to run commercials showing Dean's record in Vermont until the Iowans and New Hampshire people get it. Kerry's go money. He should be in there helping out.
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BJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 10:06 AM
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25. I'm an Iowan and a regular caucus goer.
And these ads are p*ssing me off. As I told a Gephardt canvasser on the phone the other night:"The Democratic Party needs to take a page out of the Republican's book: Thous shalt not attack a fellow Democrat. Instead of attacking Gov. Dean, Dick Gephardt should be screaming for Bush's impeachment in the House cockpit every day!"

I supported Gephardt in '88. I even have a picture of us shaking hands. But this time out I'm for Kucinich.

Sorry, but in attacking a fellow Democrat, rather than the real enemy Bush/Rove, Dick's a dick.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 10:12 AM
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26. Well then Dean's guitly too.
He attacks Gephardt in a TV ad for voting for IWR and the 87 billion, even though Dean said, in certain terms, he would support the 87 billion. Dean's a dick too.
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returnable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 10:43 AM
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27. "a page out of the Republican's book"?
Edited on Mon Nov-24-03 10:53 AM by returnable
Bush slandered McCain, don't forget. The Republicans eat their own, too. Neither party is immune to such tactics. It's the nature of politics, like it or not.

That said, I don't think addressing a person's record is an "attack." Dean's record as Governor is fair game. Just as Gephardt's IWR vote is up for discussion.




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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 09:35 AM
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24. Dean was attacking Gephardt just before this:
"Dr. Dean's campaign sent an e-mail message to journalists that questioned Mr. Gephardt's viability as a candidate, noting that he had also struggled to raise money and counted on winning Iowa in his unsuccessful bid for the presidency in 1988."

It seems Dean does a lot of attacking.
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