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zinsky Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 10:49 PM
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Gore Says Bush Ad Is Unworthy of the Presidency!

Our real, elected president Al Gore Jr. said today that Bush's new campaign aads, that imply Democrats can't be trusted to fight the mythical "war on terrorism" are 'unworthy of the presidency" and remind him of a "cheap, sleazy ad for city council":

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5.htm

Go get 'em, Al!!!!

2004 should be a rematch of Bush v. Gore, with the right outcome this time. It would be the ultimate poetic justice!
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 10:57 PM
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1. Of course, we have to be told that the college group is a "partisan crowd"
editorializing in a "news" article.....so common , so sleazy,
so unprofessional..

UGH!

But props to GORE!!!!
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 06:05 AM
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20. his 500 vote victory was to be reported in late september 2001.....
this by a consortium of newspapers (Wall street journal, miami herald, la times, ny times)...however 911 changed that reporting and "spun the eventual release"....

which by the way ...was on 11/11/01...same day the plane went down in NY (they said the tail fell-off)

people connect the dots...do the research
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 10:57 PM
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2. Al, thank you for speaking out. Please keep it up!
:kick:
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:16 AM
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14. Re-elect Gore in 04.
n/t
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ILeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 11:25 AM
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30. "Gore in '4,! Gore in '4, Gore in '4!..." If he runs, he'll win.
Edited on Wed Nov-26-03 11:26 AM by ILeft
Not so sure about those others. The Right Wing already took Gore on, and Gore still won. Dean, Clark, whoever, have a $200 Million+ smear, lies, and propaganda campaign waiting for them. Gore can take it- I don't know if the others can stand up to the Right Wing wolf pack assault. Maybe Clark...

I just want my Country back.

edit:$200 Million+, not $200 Billion+ (I hope not)
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 10:59 PM
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3. If Gore writes all the sound bites next year
there's no way we can lose. Except if Dean is the nominee because he's too damn arrogant to listen to anyone else.
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ProudToBeLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:06 PM
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5. deans not arrogant
he listens to his people. For example the people wanted Dean to get out of federal matching funds. Dean listen and he did get out.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:17 AM
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15. Oh Come On, Be Honest
Dean wanted desperately to back out of his earlier pledge to stay within the public finance system, and used his supporters (after sending a blatantly pro-opt-out e-mail) for political cover.

It might very well be a smart move. But please don't try to sell THIS as an example of Dean being a man of the people. He knew EXACTLY what result he was getting when he held that vote.

DTH
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 03:50 AM
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17. I know that I posted in favor of dropping out of the campaign finance
system many times here on DU before he made his decision.

The poll of his supporters was 85% in favor of opting out of the matching funds and therefore the spending limits.

IMHO, if he had *not* opted out that would mean he wasn't listening.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 04:07 AM
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18. You're Evading the Point
Edited on Wed Nov-26-03 04:14 AM by DoveTurnedHawk
Dean knew exactly what the result would be. He's a canny pol, you cannot doubt that he had focus groups and internal polls aplenty on this issue. And to seal the deal, his "cover letter" e-mail was so blatantly pro-opt-out that the "vote" was the equivalent of a push poll. So of course the vote was 85% in favor.

It was certainly a brilliant political move. Not only does he receive political cover for breaking his past promise, but he also invests his supporters in the decision, thus increasing their likelihood of donating.

But again, please do NOT try to make this out to be some kind of pro-democracy, egalitarian, benign decision. This was calculated. Brilliant. But calculated.

DTH
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 10:34 AM
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28. "Brilliant. But calculated". Isn't that what politics is all about?
I'm not for or against Dean (still undecided). Watching all the candidates, trying to see beyond the use and mis-use of "politics" for what they truly stand for, how they sway opinion, discuss issues, listen to constituency, etc.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 03:52 PM
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33. Of Course It's What Politics Is About
Politics is not a game for the faint of heart, as I said in another thread yesterday.

My point all along has been that the original poster to whom I responded appeared to be adopting a rather (IMO) naive point-of-view on this. This was not an egalitarian gesture by Dean. It was playing politics (however well) to avoid his earlier promise. Plain and simple.

DTH
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 11:48 AM
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31. So, the honorable thing to do is unilaterally disarm.
That's what you're saying.

Stick with public financing and get bloodied by the Bushies every day with no way of fighting back, or taking the gloves off and giving them a good fight. That was the choice. You might think this is hypocrisy, and you might be right, but it's really the difference between lying about a blow job and lying about WMD in Iraq.

You might call this spin. Go ahead. I don't care. That's the way I feel about it, and I'm sticking to it, spin or not.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 03:51 PM
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32. You REALLY Need To Read What I Wrote
Because you obviously didn't understand it.

As I said earlier, the decision itself might have been a good one. Just don't try to claim it was any triumph of democracy or egalitarian gesture by Dean. It was a calculated move to put this to a vote, the result of which was already foreordained.

DTH
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:43 AM
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26. "My followers made me do it" - how pathetic is that?
I was spammed with one of those "ballots" (didn't use it) and it read like "You don't hate children, do you? You want freedom, tight?"
Someone more homest that you boasted here about the tecniques of CYA by putting it to a vote.
Too bad only weeks ago, in the CNN debate he said he'd raise taxed on middle class "I don't care if 70% votes against it, I'll do it anyway"
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:17 PM
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6. absolutely not true about Dean
--quite the opposite. That is why he is so popular.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:25 PM
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8. Dean is very arrogant
to anyone not connected to his campaign. He thinks he's God's gift to the United States. Maybe we can try to win again in 08. I'm pretty much writing off 04 since Dean appears to have such a lead.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:39 PM
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11. So we should all just drink the freakin' Kool-Aid, huh?
Edited on Tue Nov-25-03 11:41 PM by mac56
The election's already decided, especially if Dean gets the nomination?!

Damn. May as well just give up then.

/sarcasm
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absolutezero Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 08:26 AM
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22. congratulations
you are now one of two people on my ignore list.

How can you write off 2004 because Dean's in the lead?
did anyone ever think that the general population actually likes him and some of the other dems (:cough:Kerry:cough:gephard:cough) are just spewing crap becuase they want the job too?
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 08:35 AM
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23. Big fucking deal.
Who is the real enemy here? Dean? Kerry? Clark?


NOOOOOO


The enemy is Bush!

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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:26 PM
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9. Sounds like you ready to march off to war to Geptdhart's tune.
We don't have time to be petty like the republicans.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 04:09 AM
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19. For Cryin' Out Loud!
Can we have ONE thread here that doesn't involve a divisive Dean/Clark war? I was interested in the *actual thread topic* but it appears to have been hijacked as a springboard to rail against Dean. I'm a Clark/Dean ticket supporter myself but this is not the thread for a debate of the candidates --- can we all cut the end-arounds and stick to the topic at hand?

Getting back to AL GORE -- right on, Al! You're the man! It makes me sick to think about how different things would be now if the Emperor Crude&Rude hadn't been appointed to us by the Supreme Court . Frankly, I wish to hell Al would be much more high profile right now. He's STILL the rightly elected Prez to me and I'll bet there are a helluva lot of folks who now rue the fact they didn't vote for Gore in 2000.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 08:02 AM
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21. Thanks.
I thought I had clicked on the wrong thread before I saw your post.
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MoonAndSun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:00 PM
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4. Al is always out there speaking up for us, but the coward media
slackers never cover in depth any of his speeches or statements. It is as if he doesn't exist for them.

But Al just keeps going and going. Al, :yourock:
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:20 PM
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7. If the word "Ad" is taken out of the title, it becomes more true.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:35 PM
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10. given that Bush probably couldn't hack it in city council ...
... Al racks up another zinger.

I remember hearing that George W.'s handlers decided that he probably wouldn't do well in Congress, because it would mean "minutiae and tedium".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/bush072999.htm

Translation -- he couldn't handle hard work and his attention span was nil! Most municipal politicians I know have to put in long hours doing things that Bush would likely get fed up with because he was bored ... stuff like working on school budgets, interviewing homeless people, etc. -- plus they make much less money than Bush is used to!
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:41 PM
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12. Hell, the chimp couldn't hack it on the
elementary school student council. He'd be the obnoxious attention seeking kid who'd never actually contribute anything.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:15 AM
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13. more stuff from the same speech
Thanks to www.algoredemocrats.com


"Gore also attacked President George W. Bush for what Gore views as
too far-reaching powers to incarcerate suspected terrorists. He said
that Bush labels them "enemy combatants...if he can pronounce those
words."

Gore also tied what he called one of racism's roots - fear - to the fear he
believed Bush used as a "political weapon" to garner support for war in
Iraq.

"I'm concerned that he's turning out to be a divider, not a uniter," Gore
said. "


http://www.algoredemocrats.com/news/gnn/EpyAlkEVuyXklEsSSw.shtml
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 10:38 AM
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29. Thanks for the link. Can't stand to go to Drudge
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:39 AM
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16. GET'EM AL...
Props to our "elected" President...!
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 08:51 AM
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24. Excellent, I am
always happy to hear what our President Gore has to say and wish he would speak more often. I really wish he has said what is on most of our minds, "chimp is unworthy of the pResidency!".
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:33 AM
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25. A Better Link than Drudge Here
the Drudge link now goes to a Jessica Lynch story

Gore says Bush peddling fear for sake of politics

By KARIN MILLER
Associated Press

MURFREESBORO — Former Vice President Al Gore told college students last night that the Bush administration is ''using fear as a political tool'' unworthy of the presidency.

''For the president of the United States to claim in a television ad that those who disagreed with the decision to go to war with Iraq are against attacking terrorists is a disgrace,'' said Gore, who lost the 2000 election to President Bush.

''It is a cheap and petty political tactic not worthy of the presidency. It is something you would find in a down-and-dirty sleazy campaign for city council,'' Gore added, drawing laughs from the partisan crowd at Middle Tennessee State University.

He said Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt did not inspire fear but called for courage in urging support of World War II. ''I'm concerned (Bush) is turning out to be a divider, not a uniter,'' Gore told MTSU students and those participating in the 90-minute discussion via satellite at about 30 colleges.
...snip...

tennessean.com
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SmokeyBlues Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 10:15 AM
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27. Once a media whore...
Call me reactionary, but I became incensed when I read this *informative and absolutely essential* description of the college audience Gore addressed:

"It is a cheap and petty political tactic not worthy of the presidency. It is something you would find in a down-and-dirty sleazy campaign for city council," Gore added, drawing laughs from the partisan crowd at Middle Tennessee State University.

We all know that *hole ONLY speaks before partisan crowds, but where are the news articles pointing this out for readers? Instead, we are lead (deliberately mislead!) to believe that the crowds that *hole appears before represent a non-partisan cross-section of America. Hell, video and still photographs are even provided to show the rest of us "bush haters" just how much the audience of 'non-partisans' love him to death.

Disgusting, subjective, and oh-so-transparent!

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