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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 05:49 AM
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Soros 'speculating against dollar'
Edited on Fri Nov-28-03 06:20 AM by emad aisat sana
From the UK's The Independent

The pound surged against the dollar yesterday amid speculation that Warren Buffett and George Soros, the world's most famous speculators, are betting the US currency will plummet.Sterling powered to a five-year high against the dollar for a second day as concerns over the US current account deficit continued to outweigh evidence of a rebounding economy.Traders believe selling the dollar is a one-way bet, and some latched on to rumours that speculators were building "short" positions on the dollar - betting it will tumble in the coming months.One hedge fund manager, who asked not to be named, said: "I have heard that both Soros and Buffett are shorting the dollar. There's a growing belief on Wall Street that the dollar is looking like a one-way bet downwards."

A spokesman for Mr Soros, who famously "broke" the Bank of England when the pound crashed out of the exchange rate mechanism a decade ago, said he never commented on speculation. Mr Buffett was unavailable for comment.The surge in the pound to $1.7155, its strongest level since October 1998, was boosted after Merrill Lynch forecast the dollar would plunge a further 8 per cent by the end of next year.

Demand for the dollar has waned on concern the country will not attract enough capital to fund its record current account deficit, which is expected to break through 5 per cent of GDP this year.In a massive revision to its forecast issued on the eve of yesterday's Thanksgiving holiday, Merrill Lynch said the pound would hit $1.85 - which would be its highest level since 1992.The blue chip Wall Street bank said sterling would rise on signs of returning economic strength, rising interest rates and hope that the Government won't raise taxes before a 2005 election. But it warned that the surge in the pound would be short-lived as the concerns overhanging the UK - from a budget deficit, huge consumer indebtedness and a tight labour market - would come home to roost."Bubble trouble currencies such as the pound should continue to do well for now," it said. "But upsides in the currencies in these regions should end next year as tighter conditions threaten to burst credit bubbles and shape market expectations of lower rates." Merrill Lynch expects the dollar to tumble to $1.33 against the euro, a drop of 12 per cent from yesterday's $1.19 value. But it cut its forecast for the euro to surge to 80p against the pound - a level that would smooth sterling's entry into the single currency - to 73p.

A surge in the pound against the dollar will be a boon for British tourists but could cause headaches for both businesses and the Bank of England.Khuram Chaudhry, a strategist at Merrill Lynch, said: "UK investors may find company sales exposure to the US unfavourable in this scenario.A stronger domestic currency is likely to mean the Bank is less likely to raise interest rates aggressively." David Bloom, a global economist at HSBC who does not see the pound going much above $1.70, said any spike in the pound would be short-lived. "If you want to sell the dollar because you believe in the structural problems such as the current account deficit then you buy the pound but there's a downside because the UK is also looking a trade deficit, an indebted economy," he said. "If you think those factors will cause the dollar to fall then the pound should fall as well." He said the main beneficiary should be the euro, which has smaller deficits - despite the high-profile row over the stability and growth pact. He said HSBC was sticking with its historic forecast for a dollar-euro rate of $1.35. Mr Bloom warned that if the pound were to fall it could tumble even further than the dollar as there would be little interest from other countries to prop it up.

http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/story.jsp?story=467972

Edit: Addendum:

Euro hits record against dollar

The euro has hit a record high against the dollar, defying recent political squabbles over the single currency and upbeat US economic data. The euro continued a long upward run to hit $1.98 in morning trading, up about two thirds of a percent, mainly at the expense of a weakening dollar. Faith in the US has been undermined by concerns over mounting deficits despite evidence of a return to growth. Global security concerns have also made markets wary of the US currency.

From:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3245956.stm
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 06:19 AM
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1. Euro Hits Record High Against Dollar
LONDON (Reuters) - The euro stormed to a record high against the dollar on Friday, propelled upwards by expiring holdings in the derivatives market as investors sought to capitalize on bearish sentiment toward the U.S. currency.

The greenback has struggled across the board in recent days as upbeat economic data from the United States has failed to dispel concerns the country needs a weaker currency to reduce its vast current account deficit.

The euro jumped three-quarters of a percent to $1.1994 in the European midsession, gathering momentum as it vaulted last week's peak of $1.1978 in a thin, post-Thanksgiving market.

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The dollar's failure to gain on the back of stellar U.S. growth and consumer confidence data earlier this week had emboldened dollar bears, reinforcing the view that robust economic recovery will not solve the United States' structural problems.

"The market has got the scent of blood," said David Bloom, currency strategist at HSBC Markets.

More: http://news.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=3906053

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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 07:34 AM
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4. Euro past $1.20 now
Just spilling over the dam or the beginning of a flash flood?
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 06:50 AM
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2. Typo--should be 1.198....
Edited on Fri Nov-28-03 06:51 AM by rfranklin
It will only reach 1.98 if Bush keeps the White House.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 06:55 AM
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3. You're right about the typo - subsequently amended on reuters/bbc
And you are probably right aout your speculation of 1.98 if Shrub wins 2004....

So is Soros being cynical/satirical if he keeps pumping against the dollar?
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 08:05 AM
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5. Soros is hedging
If Bush wins Soros wins big in Euros. If Bush looses the whole world wins, including Soros.
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 08:10 AM
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6. Good one!
:D
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 08:31 AM
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7. very interesting
and i want to know more.
keep this going.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 08:48 AM
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8. Citibank is also closing all long dollar positions...
Here is an article from Nov 18th

Citibank Closes All Long Dollar Positions as Unit Plunges

http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/031118/1639001518_1.html
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 08:53 AM
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9. the questio is "how will this trend change"? .... no answers
it would take a substantial .... long term ..tax revenue based recovery for the deficit and trade deficit to change course ...with the employment picture not "exploding with GDP"...i'm afraid we will see a severe downturn in both the dollar and the market
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 10:02 AM
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10. Dollar schmaller.........
Didn't Bush* look good holding that turkey in Iraq? The "Mayberry Machiavellis" probably already have offshore funds in Francs, Euros and Pounds, what care they of dollar's fate?
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 10:13 AM
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13. It's even rosier than that, pfitz...."Barrick Gold" mining is Poppy's
baby. The bush family mafia owns more gold than all the other pharohs combined.

They don't care if dollars, euros, pounds or drakhma's (sp?) rise or fall....the bush mafia can gleefully count all the gold they're stealing from the ground all over the world.

I wish somebody would lock them all up and throw away the key. Bad blood, that family.

:kick:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 10:08 AM
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11. Dollar schmaller, part 2
Didn't you see that heueueueueuege increase in the projected annual increase in the GDP based on one quarter's numbers? Biggest dead cat bounce in decades!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 06:21 PM
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20. Crash like 1929 is heading our way or for the world?
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 10:09 AM
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12. On Wed, the sudden rise in gold was attributed to the Subway odor
but I think that it had more to do with the spike in the Euro and drop in the dollar. If you looked at the Gold, Euro, Yen charts in the Stock Market Watch thread that day you could see a corrolation. Euro rising sharply, gold breaking 400, suddenly Euro drops and gold eases down.

Just speculation on my part. Thought it was odd that they immediately tried to tie the rise in Gold to the mysterious odor on the subway, almost like a diversion from the uptick in the Euro and the drop in the dollar.

:shrug:
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 11:11 AM
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14. My BS detector was going bonkers over that explanation
"Gold rises due to mysterious smell in subway"-- What a joke. After years of reading financial headlines like this, I take every one of them with a shaker full of salt.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 01:49 PM
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15. It Is A Sensible Speculation
The catastrophic rise in government debt inflicted on the Treasury by the criminals of the '00 Coup must operate to cause a drop in the value of the dollar.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 02:07 PM
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16. I saw a report on TV about Wal-Mart on consumer spending habits


. . I know, I know, Wal-Mart is not popular here, bear with me for a minute ?

. . Being as Wal-Mart, DESPITE their ethics, whatever, is one (?) of the biggest retailers in both our countries I think this is relevant.

Walmart's charts have shown a slight decrease in consumer spending around the two-week pay period near payday in the past.

However, now Wal-Mart reports a DRASTIC drop in consumer purchases for the 2-3 day period before and after "pay-day" in the last 9 months -

Analysis could mean that people are living "paycheck to paycheck" more than ever?

oh - one other thing - they mentioned that these "purchases" were not the "big" items, but simple stuff like toothpaste, soap, - yah you got it - the necessities.

Hmmm - sumthing to think about

and - - I don't believe the big "rebound" story anyhoo -

feckadee - it's almost Xmas, and ya can never go by Xmas purchasing, well, not in my opinion anyhoo.

But even here, local retailers are stocking less, and the "SALES" have started already !

sumthin' to think about
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 03:01 PM
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17. Black Friday and they are already selling at 50% off. N/T
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 03:07 PM
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18. Hmmm - we got a midnight sale going tonight - up to 80% off - oh dear!
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 06:02 PM
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19. Wow! No wonder Bush went to Iraq
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 06:27 PM
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21. Pardon me, but junior went to Iraq to rally the dollars?
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