U.S. agents question teen; girl ran anti-Bush page on MySpace

[Newsjock]

http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/38768.html

The latest Sacramento resident to be questioned by federal agents in possible threats against President Bush is a 14-year-old girl with a heart on her backpack and braces on her teeth, a freckle-nosed adolescent who is passionate about liberal politics and cute movie stars.

Her name is Julia Wilson, and she learned a vivid civics lesson Wednesday when two Secret Service agents pulled her out of biology class at McClatchy High School to ask about comments and images she posted on MySpace.

Beneath the words "Kill Bush," Julia posted a cartoonish photo-collage of a knife stabbing the hand of the president. It was one of a few images Julia said she used to decorate an anti-Bush Web page she moderated on MySpace, the social networking Web site that is hugely popular among teenagers.

... The couple are disturbed, however, that federal agents questioned a child at school -- without her parents present. And First Amendment lawyers question whether the Secret Service over-reacted to a 14-year-old's comments on a Web site made for casual socializing.

[HughBeaumont]

1. To GUANTANAMO with you, little girl!!

Ridiculous. Big Bother is wafting you.

[Xipe Totec]

10. wafting?

Is that an allusion to the malodorous effluvium of sulfur emanating from our Prince of Darkness, Beelzeboob?

:evilgrin:

[HughBeaumont]

34. A wise man once said "Smell Thyself".

That man . . . .

was TATER NUTS.

[Xipe Totec]

37. I'm gagging!

I surrender! :puke:




:rofl:

[qanda]

2. Why would she have stuff like that on her page?

Sounds like she went a little over the top.

[gratuitous]

7. Well, 14-year-olds ARE paragons of good judgment

Hard to fathom how one could have done such a thing.

And while our faultless federal agents can't find the anthrax killer or create a more workable system to get folks through airports, they most certainly can corner a 14-year-old girl and interrogate her.

[leftchick]

9. lol! I feel safer, don't you??

well said. :thumbsup:

[qanda]

42. No need to be sarcastic with me

I have an 8 year old and a 10 year old. We march against the war together and they dislike Bush, probably more than me. However, even they know that there are limits to what they can say against Bush. I don't agree with what the Secret Service did, but even 14 year olds should know that they cannot say "Kill Bush".

[gratuitous]

44. And if your 8 year old or 10 year old drew federal attention . . .

Wouldn't you rather have the agents contact you first? That seems to me just plain common sense in dealing with a minor. Unless, of course, the G-men were more interested in something else (intimidating a 14-year-old girl?) than they were in ascertaining just what the situation was.

[qanda]

46. I said that I didn't agree with what the Secret Service did

I guess I'm just not willing to completely excuse the girl's behavior-- what she did was wrong.

[noiretextatique]

68. how was it "wrong?"

free speech...it's not just for republicans

[qanda]

77. She and her parents said what she did was wrong

I guess you should ask her why she thought what she did was wrong. I just wonder if people here would have the same reaction if the threat was against Clinton. I just somehow doubt it.

[Name removed]

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[qanda]

84. I KNOW you're not calling me a neocon

Because you better go back where you came from if you are. I SAID that I thought what the Secret Service did was wrong and if you have a problem with that then that's YOU'RE problem and not mine. You better STEP OFF before the sister in me comes out real strong.

[LivingInTheBubble]

97. Its a wierd law.

I notice most Americans support it wholeheartedly but it goes contrary to the idea of free speech.

[Name removed]

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[Crabby Appleton]

107. Here is an example - 2 teens arrested for threat to Pres Clinton

Two 13 year old girls arrested for emailed threats to Pres Clinton

[Exiled in America]

74. Excuse me... wrong? Free speech is only ok when you agree, then?

[aggiesal]

59. She can actually say what she wants.

Thought crime is not illegal in this or any other country.
Did she go over the top? Probably.
But, as I remember, we still have Freedom of Speech.
Ooops, maybe not.

[Qutzupalotl]

62. You can't threaten the president.

That is breaking the law. You can say darn near anything else, though.

[Exiled in America]

76. It's a law that deserves to be broken.

Either free speech is free or it isn't. I'm an "extremist" when it comes to defending free speech.

[TheBaldyMan]

91. it's a dumb law though - in the UK it's pretty much everyday to wish

all kinds of harm on our Glorious Leader, whoever they are. Most of the stuff I'd do to Blair is banned under Article 3 of the Geneva Convention.

Only in America, home of the brave and land of the free.

[treestar]

100. It has to be a real threat.

No way was that an actual threat. In fact, it was not even worded as one.

[Crabby Appleton]

114. Here is what the US Code (Federal Law) says you can't do

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 41 > § 871

§ 871. Threats against President and successors to the Presidency


(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

[Wretched Refuse]

115. Oh OK

RAPTURE THE FUCK.
And I pray for his RAPTURE EVERY FUCKING DAY.
I want ALL THE BUSHES TO BE RAPTURED, and AM DOING EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO RAPTURE THEM.

What about that?

[aggiesal]

119. OK, so now you'll have to ask yourself, ...

why the right wing nuts like mAnn Coulter are not arrested when she said that Bill Clinton should be killed?
Doesn't that set a precedent to not prosecute such offenses?

Obviously the justice department didn't feel that Coulters' comments warranted an investigation, but this administration feels that any comments made against Herr Leader deserves a visit from the SS (Secret Service).

[Frazzled Educator]

110. I want to kill that bush

in my front yard.

Where's the secret service? I really want to kill that bush!!!!

I live in Yuma, Arizona! Ave B and 16th Street! I really want to kill that bush!!!

[Cha]

117. LOL! Especially without her

Parents!

[The Stranger]

13. It shouldn't worry people when kids do something "a little over the top."

But the U.S. government running a concentration camp is far worse than "a little over the top" and THAT is what people should be worried about.

[qanda]

45. Gosh, I'm only saying what her own parents said

What the kid did was wrong. Of course it doesn't take anything away from what the government has and continues to do wrong, but why does it have to be either/or?

[OKthatsIT]

58. WHO WENT OVER THE TOP? A 14 yr old?

Excuse me but this is just a kid...and a very 'dramatic' age group.

She only DRAMATIZED everyone else's sentiment.

The FEDS WENT OVER THE TOP! DISGUSTING AGENTS!

[w4rma]

60. Because she has only been in this world for 14 years. She does not

have much experience to draw from.

You shouldn't have needed to ask that question, imho. The answer is obvious.

[Exiled in America]

72. She doesn't HAVE to have a reason.

[Ms. Toad]

101. Been around 14 year olds much?

(and she was apparently 13 when she posted it - AND she removed it as soon as she knew learned in school that it was not just over the top, but illegal).

I remember a couple of really boneheaded things I did when I was that age - and I was considered one of the "good" kids. My now 16 year old daughter (following in her mother's Ms. Goody-Two-Shoes footsteps) certainly has her occasional moments when she feels compelled to post out in a quite outrageous manner the stupidity/lawlessness of some of the other posters on her favorite chat board.

...Hmm, now that I think about it its not even that far off from what I've seen posted here on occasion (I've certainly seen over the top flames at each other, and mutilated/tortured images of Bush).

[soothsayer]

3. A little waterboarding, stress positions, sleep deprivation, and

sexual humiliation and she'll sing like a bird

[Frazzled Educator]

111. Wow, don't do that modern stuff

Use pressing, like the bigots in Salem during the witch trials did!

[Atman]

4. The girl was stupid to post such a message in this day and age

If she is so passionate about liberal politics, maybe she should have known that it's one thing to dis the president and call him an asshole...who hasn't done that?...but quite another entirely to call for him to be killed.

That said, the SS was definitely out of line grabbing her from a classroom and questioning her without her parents present. It seems that a cursory check of the child's "background" -- did she even have a "background" at 14? -- would have put the SS's paranoid little pinheads at ease.

.

[Canuckistanian]

16. I agree. Death threats against any public offiicial is WRONG

No matter how much you disagree with the official, or how harmless the threatener.

However, you're right about the SS going a little overboard. A little common sense and some gentler tactics would have been in order here.

[LiberalFighter]

20. Apparently the SS are sorely lacking in that department

[ngant17]

31. why doesn't the SS investigate Pat Robertson

for making death threats against Chavez, who is a public official in Venezuela?

Actually, US gov. officials make death threats against people all the time, especially political officials in foreign countries.

Not only that, they have the ways and means to make good on their threats, whereas a teenager could not typically have this type of weaponry and financial support to do political assassinations.

Leave the girl alone and start investigating the real problems.

[Megahurtz]

51. Right! n/t

[LiberalFighter]

17. She deleted the the page over the summer and they showed up now?

Most of the groups Julia is a part of are fan clubs for movie stars like Jake Gyllenhaal and Ewan McGregor. The group that got her in trouble was called something like "People who want to stab Bush" -- Julia said she doesn't remember the exact name because she soon changed it.

After an eighth-grade history lesson in which she learned that threatening the president is against the law, Julia said she changed the group name to "So Bush is an idiot but hey what else is new?"

The group primarily consisted of her teenage friends who share her liberal political interests, Julia said. She deleted the group page over the summer when she decided that MySpace was juvenile and taking up too much time.

[Atman]

24. Thanks for that...I missed it.

Makes the story even more ridiculous.

.

[twaddler01]

78. Well, I'm surprised * is still alive

talk about security...

[LiberalFighter]

92. Security must be a bunch of ass wipes if they can't do their job right and

know the difference between a threat and innocent stupid pranks of a teenager.

In fact, I bet if they had done their job they would had found she doesn't travel much, doesn't own a gun. Hey wait a minute she is only 14 years old.

[bling bling]

121. Bush is a popular guy.

There's probably a list a mile long of similar threats against him all over the internet. They're probably just now getting to this one.

[alphafemale]

5. You can only do that with DEMOCRATIC Presidents. The silly girl.

[Mika]

8. Correction.. You can only do that with DEMOCRAT Presidents.

;)

:hi:

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

11. Correction - You can only do that in a democratic society

I know what you meant... Just playing on it ;)

[Xipe Totec]

6. That One Should Avoid Being Despised And Hated

"For this reason I consider that a prince ought to reckon conspiracies of little account when his people hold him in esteem; but when it is hostile to him, and bears hatred towards him, he ought to fear everything and everybody."

- The Prince, Chapter XIX, by Nicolo Machiavelli

http://www.constitution.org/mac/prince19.htm

[Veronica.Franco]

12. Did the school protect the minor FIRST?

Did the school find out if these agents credentials were valid or call her parents to her side? ... If I were those parents I'd sue that school for allowing my child to removed from class by total strangers ... goons ...

[LiberalFighter]

18. No they didn't

McClatchy Assistant Principal Paul Belluomini said he usually does not notify parents when law enforcement officials come to school to interview students.

"Parents usually interfere with an investigation, so we usually don't notify them until it's done," he said.

Sacramento City Unified School District policy calls for parents to be notified but doesn't say whether it should happen before or after a student is interviewed. State law doesn't require parental notification.

[LostinVA]

23. WTF??? They "interfere with an investigation"?

How? But demanding basic civil rights for their kid? Good gods -- I thought it was a Federal law that parents had to be notifying if a child was being questioned by law enforcement. It sure as hell should be.

Jeebus.

[JoFerret]

30. How about when they are investigating

potential abuse at home?

[LostinVA]

32. Good grief -- don't be silly

You know exactly what I meant.

[Solon]

66. Straw Man, Children can be questioned as witnesses or...

victims without parental consent, but when they are SUSPECTED of something, then the legal guardians, parents or whatever, are the ones to inform, and they can end any interrogation at will.

[michreject]

80. Not so

they can end any interrogation at will.

The SS would have taken her into custody. Parents couldn't have stopped them. If they would have tried, they would have been arrested for obstruction.

[Solon]

82. Interrogation and custody are two different things...

Law enforcement can detain you for a limited time, till indictment and then if bail has been set. Adults in this situation are told about their right to a lawyer, and they can refuse to answer ANY questions. Minors, in this situation, however, cannot be INTERROGATED without a legal guardian present, and any such interrogation can end immediately if the legal guardian chooses to. The child in question may still be in custody, but not under interrogation.

[michreject]

90. I think it's like this

At 13, a parent is required at questioning. At 14/15, the detainee can wave the presence of a parent. At 16, you're an adult as far as being charged with a crime. Do all 16 year old kids get charged as adults, no. But if the Government decides to do so, they can.

[Evergreen Emerald]

122. Depends on the state

In WA it is 12...

[Brian Stevens]

128. wrong

if the person is over thirteen, miranda is in play. They make it clearer for the minor in question to understand.

[lumberjack_jeff]

39. Sure. Sorta like lawyers, judges and other do-gooders do.

:sarcasm:

[Veronica.Franco]

26. All of us have the right to legal representation ... everybody ...

The girl was removed because some goon flashed a badge? ... Minors have the right to be protected under the law ... you can't question ANYONE without legal representation but this school thinks the KID had no rights? ... Pure BS ...

[LostinVA]

33. I was wondering about this, too

ie the right to an attorney.

[tblue37]

36. So any child molester who has a fake badge can now

pull kids from their classrooms and go off alone to "question" them, and their parents won't even be notified?

We read all the time about rapists who impersonate police officers and then hadcuff and rape young women and girls. In fact, I read an article recently about someone who is doing just that.

I would not know the difference between a real SS badge and a fake one, would you? Certainly I would not allow a child to go off by herself with one or two adult men like that.

[LostinVA]

40. I would think the school would sooo not want a lawsuit

because of this and "legit" scenarios.

[Richard Steele]

89. Some of the child molestors have REAL badges.

Homeland Security official arrested in child sex sting:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/04/homeland.arrest/

And another plead 'no contest' to jerking off in front
of a young girl in a Mall Food Court:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Figueroa

[Brian Stevens]

130. Blame the mother. nt

[ThomCat]

35. Schools have a history of thinking kids have no rights.

x(

I hope the parents sue the school. There is no way they should have allowed that girl to be questioned without notifying the parents first and having them present.

[jazzjunkysue]

73. In New York state, it's probable cause to believe a crime was committed.

There's no reason to think the pres was threatened by this kid from another city. As long as she wasn't on a roof with a rifle just in time for the inauguration parade, there's no probable cause of anything.

The principal was wrong to let them into the school at all.

Sue the school. Clean up.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

41. I don't think your statement is accurate

police can question you and if you answer their questions without an attorney present it's your own damn fault. If you refuse to answer their questions until you have legal representation and they press on, that's another matter.

In other words, the police/SS CAN question anyone without legal representation. However, the suspect has the right to remain silent (of course) and also has the right to legal representation. I'm no law expert but I think I have it right.

Also not sure if the Secret Service have expanded powers over police forces.

[Solon]

43. However, minors cannot be questioned unless a legal guardian is present...

You are talking about her as if she were an adult, legally and biologically, she is NOT an adult.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

61. the post I was responding to said EVERYBODY

not just the minor. You changed the subject of my post on me! Not fair!

[Solon]

65. Everybody is entitled to legal representation...

they have to waive it in order to be interrogated, they also have to be Mirandized, otherwise their statements are inadmissable in court. Children, however, CANNOT waive that right, only their legal guardian(parent, etc.), can do that, this girl's parents weren't even INFORMED that they were questioning her.

[LiberalFighter]

70. Until that child is emancipated the parent is responsible for the child

[Veronica.Franco]

47. Grilling of Students by Secret Service ~ Oakland High School

Oakland High School Teachers Protest Grilling of Students by Secret Service for comments on Bush

OAKLAND (KRON) -- Some teachers in Oakland are rallying behind two students who were interrogated by the Secret Service. That followed remarks the teenagers made about the President during a class discussion. The incident has many people angry.
For years the classroom has been the setting for the free expression of ideas, but two weeks ago certain ideas led to two students being taken out of class and grilled by the United States Secret Service.

It happened at Oakland High. The discussion was about the war in Iraq. That's when two students made comments about the President of the United States. While the exact wording is up for debate, the teacher didn't consider it mere criticism, but a direct threat and she called the Secret Service.

Teacher Cassie Lopez says, "They were so shaken up and afraid."

Now, other teachers are coming to the aid of the two students and crying foul.

"I would start with the teacher, she made a poor judgement," Lopez says.

Teacher Larry Felson says, "What we're concerned about is academic freedom and that students have the right to free expression in the classroom."

Even worse, they say, is the fact that the students were grilled by federal agents without legal counsel or their parents present, just the principal.

"When one of the students asked, 'do we have to talk now? Can we be silent? Can we get legal council?' they were told, 'we own you, you don't have any legal rights,'" Felson says.

"We don't want federal agents or police coming in our schools and interrogating our children at the whim of someone who has a hunch something might be wrong," Lopez says.

The union representing Oakland teachers requires that students be afforded legal counsel and parental guidance before they're interrogated by authorities. It's too late for the two involved in this incident, and teachers say it's something they'll carry with them for years.

"I tell you the looks on those childrens faces. I don't know if they'll say anything about anything ever again. Is that what we want? I don't think we want that," says Lopez.

TEACHERS RESOLUTION:

The following was passed nearly unanimously at the Oakland Education Association's Representative Council on Monday, May 5, 2003 denouncing the Interrogation of Oakland High Students by the Secret Service.

The East Bay Educators Justice Network will be addressing and organizing around this issue at our meeting next Tuesday, May 13, at 4PM at Oakland Tech, Room 205 (45th and Broadway, enter through the back doors).

On April 23, 2003, Secret Service agents visited Oakland High and interrogated two 16 year-old male students in connection with comments they had allegedly made during a classroom discussion concerning President Bush and the U.S. Government's role in Iraq.

The Secret Service was called the day before because the teacher felt the students' statements could be interpreted as threats to the President. The students were each subjected to intimidating interrogation for 45 minutes to an hour each and were told they had no rights because of what they had supposedly said. When one of the students asked if he had to talk to the agents now, could he talk to them later with a lawyer present, the student said one of the agents told him, "We own you, if you don't talk to us now, and we find out you haven't told us everything, we'll put you MF's in federal prison. This is the beginning of the end for you." The students were asked all kinds of questions about their home life as well as things like, "Are you a terrorist?" And their families--Mien & Vietnamese--were threatened with deportation if the students didn't cooperate. All of this was in the presence of the principal, who made no attempt to contact parents or advise students of their right to remain silent or seek legal counsel.

We deplore this blatant infrigement of students' free speech & academic freedom .

Students have a right to discuss their opinions on any subject without the fear of reprisal or threats of arrest from law enforcement. We will not allow the atmosphere of repression against dissent and immigrants to pervade our schools and community.

The city of Oakland, along with 92 other cities in the country, has passed a resolution against the Patriot Act. Be it resolved that in the spirit of that resolution and in opposition to the atmosphere of repression against dissent, we call for any file related to this event to be stricken from students' records. We further call on the OEA to support these students in the spirit of academic freedom and upholding their human and civil rights. And we call on the school district to honor the rights of students at all times, including the right to remain silent, to have parental representation, and to have legal counsel.

http://www.refuseandresist.org/police_state/art.php?aid=778

[phillinweird247]

50. That teacher is a piece of shit! nt

[kestrel91316]

53. Schools have a DUTY to teach civil rights. Those students should

have been made well aware that EVERYONE has the right to avoid self-incrimination. ABSOLUTELY no one can compel you to discuss possible wrongdoing (except perhaps in a grand jury?). Hope all the students got the take-home lesson here: during a time of fascist dictatorship if the police come calling, zip your lips.

Make it up to them to decide if they are going to torture a confession out of you or not. Give them nothing.

[shanti]

49. right

but if i was this girl's mother, i would want to be there. they have no right asking her for her SSN or her father's occupation. neither of these questions had any bearing on the act.

[Megahurtz]

52. Lol Agreed!

A lot of these guys are just goons to me.
Just because someone flashes a badge doesn't mean they can do anything they want.

Fascists!

[Ms. Toad]

102. That's why I have had specific discussions

with my daughter about what to do. If she is ever taken to the principal's office and they utter the words discipline hearing, suspension, expulsion, law enforcement, FBI, etc. she is to say nothing other than, "Please call my parents."

[rock]

14. Vee haff vays of making little girls tok

[rodeodance]

15. the FBI should have talked with parents FIRST--not take her out of class.

[LiberalFighter]

19. I am getting fed up with these damn SS Gestapos

They should be identified so that they can be demoted when Republicans are ousted from the office.

[allisonthegreat]

67. absolutely..Last i heard it is a free country. n/t

[HuffleClaw]

88. yer blaming the firefighters for showing up at a false alarm i think

they have little choice in the matter, the are required to investigate 'reported threats' to the president and i'm guessing about 99% are stuff like this.

[Sabriel]

21. Very disturbing. I hope it's not a trend.

I have a very outspoken 7 year-old, so I shudder to think what she'll say in another 7 years!

If I found that someone had interviewed her without legal or parental representation, some administrative heads would roll...all the way to the superintendent.

[LiberalFighter]

22. If you want to read the complete article: username and password

screwbush
screwbush

[wakeme2008]

25. Cute Terrorist

[Porcupine]

86. Duh!! That's why the SS wanted to "interrogate" her.

Just like the FBI was spending time after 9-11 investigating prostitution in New Orleans.

Hell I bet there are crack houses within 2 miles of the White House and child prostitution within 5 miles but the FBI has a team investigating kiddy porn full time rather than dealing with those. Any guess as to why?

Public Officials threatened Bill Clinton while he was the sitting president and they didn't get visits from the SS. "Shoot Quayle First!!" bumper stickers used to be very popular in California in the 80's.

Perverts.

[cascadiance]

27. I wouldn't trust putting stuff on Rupert Murdoch's Newscorp owned MySpace!

That's asking for troubles for starters. You know they have to be in bed with "the Gestapo" on a lot of things! Find another provider/blog site to put up political pages instead of MySpace.

[LynnTheDem]

28. But it's ok for US govt officials to publicly call for other

nations'leaders and/or citizens to be killed.

[atomic-fly]

29. I'm glad they are busy checking on myspace teens...

I feel safer now.

[reprobate]

104. Look at the bright side. Every minute they spend on myspace teens is a

minute they can't spend investigating you and me.

[ThomCat]

38. And because it was just the kid and the SS alone in a room.

We don't know if she was threatened, and what she was threatened with.

If these goons are willing to use their badges to pull a kid out of class just to get her alone there is no way they were just being nice and polite. If they had any intention of being nice and polite they would have had the parents or a lawyer there.
x(

[shanti]

48. they asked her for

her SSN?? she's now probably on the no-fly list now:(

[kestrel91316]

54. A 14-yr-old HAS a SS number?????

[TalkingDog]

55. Dint'cha know....you have to tag your baby at birth now.

Right now you are required to get a SS # for your child before their first Birthday...soon, why bother with all that mess? Put chips in 'em right out of the womb. No fuss, no muss, no rights.

[kestrel91316]

57. I'm an old spinster woman with no kids. Never paid any attention to

that sort of thing, but now that you mention it I kind of remember when this became law............

[twaddler01]

83. Its all a part of the one-world goverment that is suppose to come

when we get the rapture and the end of the world. Seriously, some people believe that.

* can make it happen sooner as some complain :p

[PassingFair]

69. You can't get health care without a SS number.....

where have you been?

:)

[proud2BlibKansan]

133. Parents need to write dependents' SS numbers

on tax returns. Been that way maybe 15 years now.

[LibertyorDeath]

56. So this is what they have these highly trained professionals

doing It's fucking pathetic
It's an embarrassment.
What a great sense of accomplishment it must engender.

Questioning a 14 year old girl about pics on the net.

Way to go guys keep up the good work......

[bleedinglib]

63. Pat Robber son ??

Didn't ole pat threaten Hugo Chavez with death? Well, he's suppost to be a roll model of moral ethics? so why are we surprised that an impressionable 14 year old followed his lead? If you live in a glass house?
Blib

[oblivious]

64. Girl: "I've always wanted to ask you guys, how did you KNOW Bush was safe

...on 911. How did you know the kids at that school weren't in any danger."

I'm thinking if she'd asked that, they'd've turned red, shut up and hustled her out of there right quick.

[Rex]

71. Hey, is 14 too young to be waterboarded?

What does the Geneva Conventions say...oh yeah we said screw that jazz. Well, if she dissents then she must be a terrorist or spy. Tribunal time for the kid!

[lonestarnot]

93. Watered for sure. They forgot the board this time. Hmmmf.

Fuckers.

[La_Fourmi_Rouge]

75. Sacramento in a nutshell!

Sacramento is a place rife with political intrigue. Lots of state and federal wannabees, and up-and-coming political "operatives". I can see that the local agent in charge would have alot of incentive to burnish his credentials at the expense of a 14 year old and her family... there's money to be made here, professional careers to be carved out!

If the feds were serious about national security, the kid would have been in Gitmo the day she first posted.

But everyone knows that McClatchy High is a bunch o' commonists anyway, so let's just throw up a perimeter fence and take them out one at a time...

[sarcasmo]

79. This is for the FBI wasting time watching Myspace.

F**K YOU

F.B.I.

[patrick t. cakes]

85. id like to stab bush...

...in the face with a banana cream pie.:crazy:

[HuffleClaw]

87. not the USSS's fault. they are required to investigate reported 'threats'

no matter how trivial, and you can be SURE they were none too impressed that they had to waste their time on this. some knuckle-dragging freeper was no doubt behind it.

[Mr_Spock]

94. AP: Teen questioned for online Bush threats

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/10/14/teen_questioned_for_online_bush_threats/

"
...

On Friday, the teenager said the agents' questioning led her to tears.

"I wasn't dangerous. I mean, look at what's (stenciled) on my backpack -- it's a heart. I'm a very peace-loving person," said Wilson, an honor student who describes herself as politically passionate. "I'm against the war in Iraq. I'm not going to kill the president."

...

Julia Wilson plans to post a new MySpace.com page, this one devoted to organizing other students to protest the Iraq war.

"I decided today I think I will because it (the questioning) went too far," she said."

Hehe - they have created another activist by acting like ass holes when they could have easily taken care of this in an adult manner.

[orleans]

95. unfucking real. 14 years old. myspace! and the fbi pull her out of class?

give me a freaking break.

okay--how many of you have heard teenagers say horrible shit about bush? raise your hands.

(or raise your flag)

:patriot:

[IndianaGreen]

106. Meanwhile Ann Coulter can go on making death threats to all of us

and nothing happens to that nazi bitch!

Haven't we all realized by now that the rule of law only applies to us, but not to the nazis of the Bush dictatorship.

[Sparkly]

96. That could make great video footage for campaign ads...

Even a "dramatic re-enactment." Feds dragging a 14-year-old out of class.

This is what your courageous leaders in Washington are scared of!!
Bush, with TONS of security around him at all times, is afraid of a 14-year-old girl!!
Since they're too incompetent to capture Bin Laden, they're detaining little girls!!

Edited to add photo of her and her Mom:


Wow, I'll bet she could really beat down the Secret Service and overpower George W. Bush!!!

[Name removed]

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[Guaranteed]

99. Why don't you go give Bush a BJ? nt

[orleans]

120. whoever you responded to got deleated, but since you're talking

about BJs i'm curious to know what was said. care to share?

[IndianaGreen]

105. The American "Dear Leader" and his Gestapo goons are afraid of a 14-year

old girl. They are as pathetic as the generals of the military junta running Myanmar (Burma) that are scared shitless of a woman human rights activist and Nobel Peace Laureate, Aung San Suu Kyi.

[earth mom]

108. I want to know why her parents weren't present when she was questioned!

I also want to know why her name & photo are out there for all to see! Aren't the names and faces of children under 18 protected when charged with or investigated about a crime?!

Now she's a target for all the whacko freeper assholes out there! Not good! :(

[Brian Stevens]

126. Answers to your questions..

First, due process clearly states that only an attorney be present during questioning (which her mom didn't contact). So lets hope the SS gave Julia the miranda or they be in big trouble. Second, it was probably her and her parents who gave permission to use the pics and name.

[reprobate]

109. Anyone notice how much the Schutzstaffel (nazi SS) and US Secret Service

SS have come to resemble each other, at least in terms of technique if not in terms of ideology?

Secret interrogations without benefit of council? That's nazi technique, fascist, not American.

The answer of course is impeachment of bush and cheney....notice I won't honor them by capitalizing their names.

I'm reminded of that line from Shakespeare's Beckett: Will someone not rid me of this troublesome priest? Or something like that. And to any Schutzstaffel listening: I'm talking about impeachment and nothing else, and I encourage NO physical act against any person, living or walking dead. I do, however encourage the next Democrat congress to investigate all those acts committed by these two and others of their party and remove them from office, reverse all those laws they've pushed thru in these years of darkness, and send them to the Hague to be tried and punished for all the war crimes against humankind that they perpetrated in the name of corporate profit.

[stepnw1f]

112. Republicans are Just Like Nazis

everyday it gets more apparent that they are one in the same types that always seek to oppress individuals with brute force. Stand up and force a confrontation with one, and they shrink like cowards.

[flordehinojos]

113. BUSH is ...

a) an abuser of children, civil rights, democracy, freedom of speech.
b) a bad smelling fart on the face of the earth.
c) a downright, downtrodden yellow coward.
d) the cowardliest coward on the face of the earth.
e) a moron.
f) a creep.
g) a mean and hateful being.
h) a vomitive.

x( x( x( :mad: :mad: :mad: :puke: :puke: :puke: :mad: :mad: :mad: :puke: :puke: :puke: :freak: :argh:

[citizen snips]

116. They will hunt down a 14 year old girl.

But Bush will not hunt down Bin Laden.

[agincourt]

132. Great analysis,

puts the whole thing into context. They can catch children threatening Bush but not terrorist.

[proud2BlibKansan]

118. posted in GD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2392806&mesg_id=2392806

[Brian Stevens]

123. One question needs answered

Why didn't the parents call an attorney? She has due process, and she does have a right to an attorney during questioning. Her parents don't have a right to be present, but legal representation does. But they didn't do it.

This post is repeated on http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2392806&mesg_id=2397831

Simply because this needs answered. So bear with me.

[Lars39]

124. She was pulled out of class to be questioned...her parents didn't know.

[Brian Stevens]

125. Wait a min here..

they stopped by her house and her mother text her about it. When they left, her mother knew they were heading for the school and text her again and told her they were coming.

[Lars39]

127. Then it sounds like the parents didn't know their rights.

Or panicked.

[Brian Stevens]

129. If anyone sees Julia that hangs at DU....

ask her if they gave her the miranda rights. If they didn't, there will be hell to pay.

[The Animator]

131. It's okay, he's not really the President.

Therefore, he is fair game.

[The Stranger]

134. Anyone thought of asking WHY THIS PRESIDENT IS SO UNIVERSALLY HATED?

It was the children that dared even speak the truth that the emperor was wearing no clothes.