Exclusive: Cheney and the ‘Raw’ Intelligence (NEWSWEEK)

[huckleberry]

By Mark Hosenball and Michael Isikoff

Dec. 15 issue — A memo written by a top Washington lobbyist for the controversial Iraqi National Congress raises new questions about the role Vice President Dick Cheney’s office played in the run-up to the war in Iraq. The memo, obtained by NEWSWEEK, suggests that the INC last year was directly feeding intelligence reports about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and purported ties to terrorism to one of Cheney’s top foreign- policy aides. Cheney staffers later pushed INC info—including defectors’ claims about WMD and terror ties—to bolster the case that Saddam’s government posed a direct threat to America. But the CIA and other U.S. intelligence agencies have strongly questioned the reliability of defectors supplied by the INC.


more at
http://www.msnbc.com/news/1002223.asp

This could get interesting!

[MinnFats]

1. Shocking. Not surprising.

Cheney is the antichrist.

[aquart]

4. There's so much competition for that job.

Karl Rove

Bill Gates

Ken Lay

Anyone named Bush...

I just don't see how you can be sure it's Cheney.

[DubyaSux]

5. Bill Gates?

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has given more money for research than I think everyone else combined. They've given significant contributions to AIDs research, medical ventures, and education.

I find it appaling to put Gates's name in with Karl Rove and Ken Lay.

[MidwestTransplant]

6. Amen to that

[Gore1FL]

8. I agree

Now windows is the techincal manifestation of the Anti-Christ -- that is probably where the link was made! :)

[bobd]

12. Yes, Bill Gates

He seems to separate his "personal" life from his "business" life. In my view you can't do that. His company's business practices are indeed anti-christ-ish. They are utterly loathsome. Trying to square it with big cash donations of his questionably gotten gains won't undo the original evil act.

Just my $0.02.

Bob D.

[GregW]

17. Don't be surprised ...

It's part of the DU-anti-success-mantra:

"If you're successful, you must a crook"

I wonder why George Soros or Ted Turner aren't on the list?

[burythehatchet]

19. When you say

I wonder why George Soros or Ted Turner aren't on the list?

Its because your thesis - It's part of the DU-anti-success-mantra:
- is somewhat flawed.

[Mountainman]

21. I think you are wrong, there is an anti success mantra here

I see it all the time, led chiefly by the anti suv crowd.

One of the reasons the right hangs on to the middle and lower classes is because they think that someday they will be able to improve their lifestyles. While in our community to say that you want to improve your lifestyle is heresy. How dare a Dem seek to become wealthy when there is so much need out there?

Well people, the only ones who can help others are those capable of helping

[chasqui]

27. for you Pro-Success Ayn Rand zealots:

Christ said it would be easier for a camel to make it through the eye of a needle than it would be for a rich man to get into the kingdom of the heavens.

[alfredo]

26. He did start giving until the DoJ case was filed against MS

and only at the insistence of his wife.

[WHAT]

28. Yes. Bill Gates...

In a democratic republic, he is the connotated republic...sic. platonic elitism, groomed and educated for "leadership", able to assign that perogative vis a vie software. In fact, believing in the elitist justification of manipulation. Who talked to Henry Jackson, who got the PNAC ball rolling?

Who knows best?

Who doesn't want to be phlucked like a phesant?

Who gives a shit?...

:-)

[newyawker99]

29. Hi DubyaSux!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[jbfam4]

7. Gates doesn't deserve this kind of treatment.

[DoYouEverWonder]

16. The anti-christ is a concept

that can be embodied in more than one person. The whole neocon cabal that has taken over this country is the beast and each individual is a representative of the antichrist.

[librechik]

20. "The Stovepipe:" Pincus in the WX Post a week or so ago

At one end, Chalabi's lying mouth, at the other end, Cheney's ear.
No bypasses through factcheckers. Sorta the way Shrub gets the news.
"The Most Reliable Sources" are his paid buddies.

Ha, that was funny all you guys discussing which Satanic Avatar is the Antichrist.

You do know that Revelations is about on a par with the Mormon Bible as a source? The original text was written in the first century AD (some suspect by Emperor Claudius himself) and was intended to apply to that century. All the "Rapture" and "Remnant" stuff was added later (in the 19th Century) by a cult.

I could go more into the subject, but my asbestos underwear is at the drycleaners. To get the real skinny, everyone should read "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross," by John Allegro, translator if the Dead Sea Scrolls. All Christians should definitely read it.

Basically, the word antichrist means "he that is not anointed" since Christ is the "anointed one." Therefore, in this administration, the one who is "not anointed" is obviously Dubya himself. Hmm, and what does that make Al Gore?

Personally, I hate it when religion enters in to these discussions. But I know MinnFats was sorta joking.

[peacetalksforall]

22. Anointed - Bush was anointed by the supreme court

(there is part of them that do not deserve capital letters, S and C).

They enthroned him and the right wing media pets, strokes, and kisses his emerald robe. This is the reason they can't report news as it is for the rest of us. They are prostrate on the ground and their vision is limited. Make it of what you will as far as Christ goes.

[Cush]

2. Cheney is being set up....

to take the fall.

Of course, this just goes to show how naive Bush is, but the press won't touch that part of the story.

[goforit]

25. Cheney is trying to spin his original intel with his signature into the...

the Iraqi Congress did it.

He will always try to pin it on the other guy.

This puppy was all his own. He created this WMD hallucination
and sold it as fact 24/7.
And now Newsweek(the pro-Bush magazine) just happens to have a "memo"
that says that the information was formulated and channeled through the Iraqi National Congress.

Ya ......Memo my a**!!!

There is a very good reason why Yale kicked this guy out of school.
His grades just weren't there!!!!

I sometimes wonder if W has a higher IQ afterall!!!

[wtmusic]

3. More implicating is Time's May 2002 article:

"Two months ago, a group of Republican and Democratic Senators went to the White House to meet with Condoleezza Rice, the President's National Security Adviser. Bush was not scheduled to attend but poked his head in anyway — and soon turned the discussion to Iraq. The President has strong feelings about Saddam Hussein (you might too if the man had tried to assassinate your father, which Saddam attempted to do when former President George Bush visited Kuwait in 1993) and did not try to hide them. He showed little interest in debating what to do about Saddam. Instead, he became notably animated, according to one person in the room, used a vulgar epithet to refer to Saddam and concluded with four words that left no one in doubt about Bush's intentions: 'We're taking him out.'"

"Dick Cheney carried the same message to Capitol Hill in late March. The Vice President dropped by a Senate Republican policy lunch soon after his 10-day tour of the Middle East — the one meant to drum up support for a U.S. military strike against Iraq. As everyone in the room well knew, his mission had been thrown off course by the Israeli-Palestinian crisis. But Cheney hadn't lost focus. Before he spoke, he said no one should repeat what he said, and Senators and staff members promptly put down their pens and pencils. Then he gave them some surprising news. The question was no longer if the U.S. would attack Iraq, he said. The only question was when."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,235395,00.html

[teryang]

9. Did this issue go down the memory hole

...or what?

I recall reading a recent Time story in which it was purported that Cheney was "mislead" by intelligence sources. Of course this is completely false and an attempt to disguise his complete complicity in the fraudulent campaign to go to war.

[Jester_11218]

13. He is the head PNAC guy in the WH

Do you think Bus hpicked Cheney and his cabinet or they picked him to run for them? Cheneym Rumsffeld, Perle, Wolfowitz, All PNAC guys. It is their policy that we are following.

http://PNAC.tvnewslies.org

[Jester_11218]

10. More here

Cheney is the dirties man in the White house.
http://cheney.tvnewslies.org

I have been saying it all along.
The ground zero of curruption.

[dreamvision]

15. yep, cheney is dirty

Along with Bushco, Cheney is dirty. This whole bunch are the "pack of liars"

here is a interesting weblog someone runs on Dick's messes and lies.

http://halliburtonhell.blogspot.com/

[newyawker99]

30. Hi dreamvision!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[shanti]

31. he sure is

i don't belive a damn thing that comes out of big dick's mouth. he is the most corrupt, coldhearted one of the bunch. he will never take the fall here. it will be pinned on someone else.

[acmavm]

11. Cheney, Perle, Wolfie, all of them hand a hand in pushing us into this

horrible mess. And how hard could it have been when you have a doofus who doesn't read anything.

DICK TO DUBYA: "Yeah George, this intelligence report from the CIA says that Saddam and Osama have regular Saturday night sleep-overs in the Baghdad palace. You just know that they're up to no good. Guess we'd better take Saddam out right away before he nukes New York City.

Oh, didn't I tell you? He has developed weapons of mass destruction and has chemical weapons on warheads and they're pointed right at the United States. So you see, it's a matter of our survival. You're the leader of the free world George, and no matter what anyone else tells you, you are the only one who can save the world from these terrorist. God demands that you do this in the name of Christianity. And just think, there's the added benefit of all that oil. Just think what we can do if we get control of all that oil. We'll be unstoppable. No one will ever dare point out again that you've been a miserable failure at everything you've ever done. All we gotta do is drop a few bombs on those Iraqis and they'll all run out of their homes and throw themselves at the soldiers feet. Why, you'll be known as the man who brought freedom and democracy to the Middle East. George, you'll be a hero."

DICK TO HIMSELF AS SHRUB LEAVES THE ROOM: "Dumb ass."

[spanone]

14. Chalibi and Cheney are joined at the hip. Concoction of facts.

[0007]

18. Chalibi and Cheney hands are in our pockets and also in blood..


Ahmad Chalabi, an American-trained financier who has close ties to senior Pentagon officials and
is a prominent member of the council, the U.S.-appointed interim government in Iraq. Another
possibility, some in the administration say, is that Iraq could evolve toward a political compromise
forged by the exile Ahmad Chalabi — a secular Shiite. Mr. Chalabi might manage to stitch
together pro-Iranian groups, Kurds and others into a government.

A top administration official predicted recently that in that event, Mr. Chalabi — who set up an
office for his opposition group in Tehran before the American invasion of Iraq — could become
the first Iraqi prime minister.

U.S. authorities insist that ties between business and government officials have not tainted any
contracts. "We're following all the standard federal rules" in awarding U.S. contracts, said a
Pentagon official, who asked to remain unidentified.

[UTUSN]

24. CHEENEE Is Sure to Pull a CASEY

and check out without answering any questions. Pat BUCHANAN said on IMUS last week that he sees this mal-administration like NIXON's in '72, winning by a landslide then crashing and burning in the 2nd term. There's such a (little) drumbeat about CHEENEE, it wouldn't be surprising if he "withdraws" from the ticket (health reasons, spend last years relaxing with family). Heck, sometimes it seems like Shrub might not run: He has always said (like what he sez means something) that he has a life and if he's tossed will resume it. And the conflicts of interest he has furthered for Carlyle/Poppy will tide over the BFEE and its retainers for awhile. The best part of Shrub's being a single termer is that he used all the geezers from Poppy's reign, who won't be available for future autocratic BFEE reigns. Seems like he wanted RIDGE for veep.

[peacetalksforall]

23. Remember the enthroned one's campaign?

...when his handlers were looking for a VP and Cheney was the lead person in charge of selecting a running mate? Ever think that PNAC was looking for someone who would bow down to the PNAC agenda, take orders from PNAC and right wing partners in the rule of the world survival and expansion of Israel...then, perhaps, not finding anyone, they decided to go with our 2 (or was it 3) time DUI offender, state resident fakir, businessman/exec of Halliburton who was also the author of the agenda?

Not McCain - they took care of him separately.
Not Bauer - too concentrated on God
Not Buchanan - no way
Not Lay - they probably already knew they couldn't keep a lid on Enron

Not anyone else in PNAC

Not anyone else at Halliburton or Bechtel or Carlyle or from the Fed Soc or a bank

Tight little ship.

[proud patriot]

32. Rate this Article a 7

:thumbsup:

[Fridays Child]

33. The Pentagon and the VP's office want us to believe that NGOs and...

...international agencies got intelligence directly from the INC but Cheney aide John Hannah, and OSP/VP operative William Luti had to read about it in the newspapers?

Bullshit.