NBC: Shooting reported at elementary school in Miami. Fla. area.

[Roon]

NBC: Shooting reported at elementary school in Miami. Fla. area.

Breaking on http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

[dave29]

1. ughh

elementary school

[GumboYaYa]

2. Where, what school..any more info? n/t

[Ian David]

3. Just the headline so far on the website.

Right now, MSNBC-TV is just covering the Elmo dolls full of Crystal Meth.

[Supersedeas]

4. *sigh*

[truthisfreedom]

5. no!

no no no!

[Occulus]

6. Jesus- just what the fuck is going around? A school violence bug??? n/t

[stepnw1f]

20. Guns are Becoming more Available

and this is the result.... I'm sure there are many other factors involved in this situation, but what we do see is more and more gun violence. The question I have is where the hell are the guns coming from and why?

[RebelOne]

7. Breaking banner said the shooting was reported near a school not at.

[Mithras61]

8. It isn't a school shooting

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15428792/">Fla. police look into shooting near school
No students involved, no shots fired on school grounds, says spokesman NBC VIDEO

BREAKING NEWS
MSNBC News Services
Updated: 8 minutes ago

MIAMI - Police are investigating reports of an apparent shooting near a Florida elementary school Thursday morning.

Despite initial concerns that the shooting had occurred in the school, a school official said there was no indication students were involved.

Shots were heard shortly before 11 a.m. near Christina M. Eve Elementary School, said John Schuster, a school district spokesman for Miami Dade County Public Schools.

No shots were fired inside, he said.

<snip>

It isn't a school shooting. It's a shooting near (not in) a school. Apparently no students were involved. The story appears to be still developing.

Edited to add link...

[Ian David]

9. That's good news. But now Rita Cosby and Nancy Grace are sad. n/t

[Mithras61]

12. It's still bad...

People getting into a gunfight on school grounds is better than a school shooting, but it's still bad enough.

Hopefully they'll find these two nut jobs & prosecute them for anything they can think of from reckless endangerment to unlawful use of deadly force (as appropriate, of course - if someone starts shooting at me, I intend to protect myself)...

[Ian David]

10. Now it says the suspects were "on school grounds" during the shooting...

Officials lock down Fla. school after shooting
TV station reports that shots were fired on school grounds

<snip>

"The two suspects were on school grounds when the shooting took place, authorities told the NBC News affiliate."

<snip>

There were no immediate reports of injuries.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15428792/

[stepnw1f]

11. Every Week another Shooting

and yet gun nutters claim guns are over-regulated.

[Mithras61]

14. Just out of curiosity...

how do you plan to make criminals (that is, those who don't obey laws) obey more gun laws?

How will more gun laws help when the laws we have should already keep criminals from having guns (that is, if criminals obeyed laws, because then they wouldn't have guns)?

[Ian David]

15. Lealize pot and then put all the anti-pot people in charge of gun laws?

You'd have to give them all The Medal of Freedom first, for doing such a heckuva job.

[stepnw1f]

16. That's a Straw Man

How about LESS GUNS...

[Mithras61]

17. No, it actually is a real question...

Britain has made gun ownership almost completely illegal, and they have higher levels of gun violence than before they did so. Criminals don't obey laws. Making more laws doesn't help. Very few people who use guns illegally get the gun legally.

Furthermore, the latest figured from Interpol indicate that in countries that have banned or severely restricted firearms ownership, violence by other means has increased quite dramatically, and violence by firearm has not been severely impacted.



Honestly, I'm more concerned about poor driving than I am about gun violence (you're 18 times more likely to be killed by an automobile than by a gun in the USA).

In fact, a very small percentage of deaths (accidental or homicide) in this country are caused by firearms. Death by firearm trails almost every other category of accidental death or homicide as tracked by the CDC. Firearms are VERY low on my scale of worries.

[benEzra]

18. Heroin must be under-regulated, too...

Every Week another Shooting and yet gun nutters claim guns are over-regulated.

Heroin must be under-regulated, too, since it's so easy to get on the street, and is actually easier to get than prescription foot powder. Maybe we should ban it or something.

[stepnw1f]

19. So... You Equate Heroin with Guns?

Big difference there unless folks who buy guns are getting that strung out without having one in their possession. Sorry, but that was a really bad attempt tp refute my point. Actually my point is reality... more guns, more death. Sorry...

[benEzra]

23. I was responding to the fallacy

that guns must be prima faciae "under-regulated" because an illegal shooting occurred, which a moment's thought would have shown to be rather silly. Whether you think guns are under-regulated or not.

And of course, unlike diacetyl morphine, guns last a thousand years, can be used more than once, don't impair the judgement of the user, don't have to be purchased more than once, and are already present in 40% of U.S. homes. So at best, even UK-style gun prohibition could be no more effective here than heroin prohibition or cannabis prohibition, which is to say not particularly effective at all. Prohibition may work in some countries, but history demonstrates that Prohibition doesn't do so well in the United States.

Americans ALREADY own guns, and aren't giving them up. Accept that fact and work from there.

[stepnw1f]

24. Ah See.... But I Am Not After Your Guns

Start from there, because we are probably on the same page. I do not condone guns being taken away from present gun owners. I just would like to see less guns made and sold. I'm not after your gun or anyone's gun unless they break the law.

[Paladin]

21. Laws Against Rape and Bank Robberies.....

....aren't 100% effective either. Do you want to do away with such laws because rapes and bank robberies still occur?

Better get back to what always really and truly concerns you gun advocates when a gun-related incident such as this shows up in the Big Forums: ID-ing the firearms involved, and screeching like a banshee if the media fail to describe said firearms in absolutely perfect detail......

[benEzra]

22. You're confusing something that's malum prohibitum

with something that's malum in se. Of COURSE attacking another person should be illegal. But I was responding to another poster's implication that the fact that an illegal shooting occurred is prima faciae evidence that guns are under-regulated, when in fact diacetyl morphine is one of THE most heavily regulated things in the United States, and it is more readily available than things which are legal but subject to some controls (like guns).

Four in ten households in this country own guns. Something like eighty million Americans of voting age personally own a gun, with around half of those owning handguns, and at least that many owning nonhunting-style rifles and shotguns. Banning the lawful possession of these is NOT going to happen, but even if it did, the ban would be no more effective than heroin prohibition, or alcohol prohibition.

If you want strict limits on gun possession in the United States, you're about two hundred years too late.

[Ian David]

13. Update: Fox News says...

... that Clinton once had one of the suspects in his sites, but refused to take the shot.

Fox News says the shooting wouldn't have happened, if only there had been a giant statue of The Ten Commandments in front of the school.