'Only 50 years left' for sea fish

[ozone_man]

There will be virtually nothing left to fish from the seas by the middle of the century if current trends continue, according to a major scientific study.

Stocks have collapsed in nearly one-third of sea fisheries, and the rate of decline is accelerating.

Writing in the journal Science, the international team of researchers says fisheries decline is closely tied to a broader loss of marine biodiversity.

But a greater use of protected areas could safeguard existing stocks.

"The way we use the oceans is that we hope and assume there will always be another species to exploit after we've completely gone through the last one," said research leader Boris Worm from Dalhousie University in Canada.

"What we're highlighting is there is a finite number of stocks; we have gone through one-third, and we are going to get through the rest," he told the BBC News website.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6108414.stm

About 20 years ago I read "Sea of Slaughter" by Farley Mowhat. He went into great detail about the overfishing and collapse of fish stocks and marine mammals. Tragic.

[Coventina]

1. I hate my species

I just can't say it enough.

[saigon68]

21. Yes we need to outlaw birth control

More children for all

Maybe they will eat each other in 200 years

[Javaman]

77. Soilent Green. nt

[Critters2]

93. Soylent green is people!!

IT'S PEOPLE!!!! :bounce:

[ladjf]

26. The human race grossly overrates it's intelligence.

[CrispyQ]

47. Ain't that the fuckin' truth!

Holy shit, the pride we take in our "superior intelligence" as we trash the world that supports us. :eyes:

[Ezlivin]

82. Great Pun!

Unless you didn't mean to slip in that extraneous apostrophe into "it's".

:)

[ThomCat]

29. I agree. We're destroying our world

because we're individually too greedy to act collectively for the greater good. :(

[shadowknows69]

73. Exactly

in a sane intelligent world such news would cause the immediate cessation of all commercial fishing. If the fish are all dead in fifty years then we are all gone probably about 20 later and that's being generous. The food chain will collapse when a link is completely removed.

[Tight_rope]

89. Me too! Mankind will destroy Mankind!

[SharonAnn]

95. It's only forty years. The report says collapse will be by 2048.

[kurth]

2. But, but, we need more omega-3!!!

If everyone in China decides to eat seafood everyday, we're done.

[hashibabba]

4. We shouldn't eat too much seafood anyway (although

a bit of it is good for you), its loaded with things like mercury!! I love fish, but rely more on my fish oil caps every day.

[Astrad]

12. Ummm...where do you think that fish oil comes from? n/t

[woodsprite]

14. I don't do the fishoil. Instead, I do flaxseed. n/t

[populistdriven]

43. flaxseed oil is great for popcorn - try it

[BlueEyedSon]

37. LOL... maybe they harvest the oil without killing the fish....?

[Megahurtz]

28. They'll just start doing more Fish Farming

and we'll be stuck with Fish that has added homones and colorings blech!:puke:

And since the Fish-Farmers grind up other Fish and press into pellets and feed the farmed Fish
those pellets maybe a new Mad Fish Disease will develope! :sarcasm:
So all the way around we're fucked by our own species. :hurts:

Looking grim.........

[davidinalameda]

45. mad fish disease

I think I saw that movie on SciFi

[pinniped]

71. Those salmon farm freaks are vacuuming up all the krill they can find....

to feed their stupid farmed crap salmon. I guess they're getting tired of placing those "Color Added" labels on the packages.

There goes the main food source for the whales and many other species of marine life.

[markam]

92. I bet you didn't know

that the good old omega-3 oil mostly comes from Omega Protein

http://www.omegaproteininc.com/

Omega protein is an operating unit for Zapata Corporation

http://www.zapatacorp.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=118763&p=irol-irhome

Zapata just happens to be Zapata Petroleum Corporation, founded by George H.W. Bush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapata_Corporation#Omega_Protein_Corporation.2C_subsidiary

Buy fish oil pills and you are contributing the the destruction of the ocean, and as an added bonus, supporting the Bush family. You couldn't ask for a better twofor.

[msongs]

3. the earth will purge itself of humans if it is smart and it is nt

[arewenotdemo]

70. and viruses may just turn out to be the Earth's guardians

in that sense.

[bkcc]

5. This doesn't really come as a surprise.

I'm only in my early 30s, but I can remember that when I was a child, there wasn't nearly such a big selection of food products at the grocery store. As our society's tastes have grown more and more diverse, so has our demand for new, exotic foods.

Years ago, the fish counter in our local grocery store (in upstate NY) had a handful of different local fish from which to choose. Now, you can get just about anything you can imagine, no matter where you live. That has to be putting a strain on the ecosystem.

[The2ndWheel]

9. Which came first

"As our society's tastes have grown more and more diverse"

"Now, you can get just about anything you can imagine, no matter where you live."

the chicken or the egg?

I don't think our tastes have done anything. It's all about availability. We(mass society) simply want to consume.

[bkcc]

17. I both agree and disagree.

30 years ago, there wasn't a huge demand for something like sushi. Then, it started catching on in big U.S. cities, then slowly made its way into the suburbs. Suddenly, restaurants and grocers had to cater to everyone who wanted the stuff.

And look at something like Angus beef. Years ago, that was a delicacy that you would only get in very good steakhouses. Now, you can get burgers made from the stuff at chain restaurants.

So yes, we want to consume, but I think that marketers tell the masses what they should consume and the consumers follow suit.

Chicken or the egg, indeed.

[ozone_man]

19. How about some Wolf Fish?

As Farley Mowhat explains, as well as in the above article, we move on to the next species after the present species population collapses. Mowhat explains the phenomenonon of the Wolf Fish showing up in fish markets, but often with a more palatable name. Ocean catfish sounds much nicer, don't you think?

What was once considered a trash species, e.g., the huge codfish of the North Atlantic a few hundred years ago, became highly sought after, when the more highly esteemed species (e.g. Halibut) had declined. Eventually, there are no more left.

Wolffish

a.k.a.: Ocean catfish, seacat

Waters:Northern Atlantic and Pacific Oceans



Description (in water): Most of these long, gray-blue or greenish fish weigh under ten pounds, but 30- and 40-lb. specimens have been caught. This is a ferocious-looking fish with long, sharp front teeth and a set of back teeth that's built for crushing tough-shelled prey like clams, crabs, and sea urchins.

Description (in market): The lean, pearly white flesh has a firm texture and a mild, sweet flavor. The s kin is edible.

Sold as: Whole, fillets

Best cooking: Wolffish is perhaps best cooked whole, lightly flour-dredged and sautéed. It can also be broiled, roasted, or grilled (use a grill basket). Fillets are delicious pan-fried.

Buying tips: Look for unmarred skin and red, alive-looking gills on whole fish. Fillets should be white and moist, with no browning, graying, or gaping. The fish should smell of seawater.

Substitutes: Blackfish, cod, dogfish, flatfish, ocean perch, pollock, red snapper, turbot

http://www.gortons.com/cookbook/gl_we_wo.php

[Katzenjammer]

63. Seeing wolffish in a sea aquarium was a scary experience

Those huge, snaggly teeth were more frightening, somehow, than the sharks' even, neat rows. And shark teeth are much sharper, too. But these fish look like they mugged dragons for their dentures.

[ozone_man]

64. They're a reef fish. We should just let them be.

When we decimate the ocean fish that travel in large schools, we go after even reef fish that live in the depths (100m - 300m).

Identification:

Breeding:
Wintertime, laying large clumps of eggs amongst stones and seaweed on sea floor.

Habitat:
Offshore, usually at depths of 100 to 300m over rocky substrates

Food:
Mainly shellfish such as crabs, molluscs and echinoderms

Range:
A North Atlantic species found from British Isles in the east to the coast of Maine in the west.

Additional Notes:
commercially fished for in Norway

The head is large and square with a large toothsome mouth, and eyes that are set well forward. The body is laterally compressed and tapers to the small fan-like tail. The dorsal is long, stretching from the head to the caudal peduncle, and the anal fin stretches from the anus to the caudal peduncle. Pectoral fins are large and the pelvic fins are absent. Its back is a blue/grey colour with numerous broad stripes.

[Katzenjammer]

67. I agree, we should let them alone. Even though I found them scary to look at,

I also felt a kind of connection because they came right up to the glass and looked out at me. They were off at the other side of the tank until I walked up to look in, and then 2 or 3 of them came over, bumped against the glass, and hovered there looking out at me. That's something that I'd never seen fish do before, and it felt a little charming somehow. Later I figured out that it was probably only that I represented a possible lunch, but at the time it felt more benign.

[RaleighNCDUer]

20. And with it going to the world market, how many millions of tons

of these imported fish, veggies, meats etc. wind up getting thrown out, unused, because of expiration dates, or because shipping tie-ups cause it to rot on the docks? How much actually makes it to our plates, but because of super-sizing our portions, a third is left uneaten?

We are destroying our world for our gluttony.

[bkcc]

23. Amen.

Exactly my point.

[AngryAmish]

6. This is a problem of affluence

The first thing you want when you have any wealth is some protein in your diet then a TV. The world poverty rate is declining as population goes up so more need for protein from the sea.

Americans eat a lot of fish and seafood but other peoples on earth eat a lot more. I think the only way out of this is tissue cultures (if they can find a way to get the proper ratio of fat to muscle).

Or soylent green.

There are very good metrics on the deteriorating fish stock - for example fish size is reducing. I think many things in the environmental movement is nonsense but this is not one of them.

[Taverner]

16. Or farm fishing

And it doesn't have to be a nightmare to the environment to work

[AngryAmish]

27. There are problems with farm fishing

Much of the feed consists of junk fish caught alongside other fish in the wild (I think -- I am by no means an expert on these matters). Again if we could culture tissue then give it to farmed fish then this is one way technology may help us out.

[Taverner]

41. Yes there are a number of problems with farm fishing however...

It beats the alternative...and there are operations which do a sustainable, enviro-friendly practice.

Seaweed and sea kelp are often used as feed.

[The Stranger]

33. It is a problem of WORLD OVERPOPULATION.

[theHandpuppet]

62. THANK YOU!

That's the bottom line, simply stated.

[Teaser]

7. good.

Fish just take up valuable water anyway.

They are our most ancient enemy.

[Double T]

8. A natural or man-made '535 A.D. event' will straighten out.........

the overpopulation problem so that the earth can heal itself. Man and humankind's obscene and uncontrollable greed will be its own demise before the end of THIS century.

[Ignacio Upton]

22. What happened in 535 A.D.?

I think the Western Roman Empire was already disbanded by then.

[Double T]

25. Here you go.........

535 AD - Volcano Krakatoa Explodes - The Dark Ages Start - Science is put on hold.:

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/535ad.htm

[glitch]

31. Did you watch PBS special? The second part aired this week. Fascinating.

Oh, I guess you did. Just clicked your link to the PBS special. Good stuff.

[Double T]

34. Great PBS special, I really enjoyed the history, science and economics.........

ONLY a matter of time till a similar event occurs and 'WE' won't be prepared for IT.

[Realityhack]

46. The thing that they left unsaid was...

that while the problems after 535 where caused by a volcano any global crisis/environmental change could cause similar long term impact. It could just as well be man made. Depletion of a global food source (fish for example), running short on oil, global climate change due to man, volcano, astroid, etc. etc.

[Double T]

76. I agree. Said similar in my post #8 of this thread.

[Odin2005]

68. There was also a major epidemic in Europe that decade.

The Plauge of Justinian. It is hypothesized that one of the reasons the Saxons overan the Celtic Britons so easily was that the plauge depopulated large parts of the British countryside

[smirkymonkey]

69. Interesting....

535 AD

* The nobles were returning from the middle east "HOLY WARS".
* Pope John II died.
* There were days of darkness.
* The plague swept around the world three times in about ten years.
* There were seven years of crop failures.
* Nations changed their religions.
* Empires Fell.
* In places great drought destroyed the land.
* In other places floods brought chaos.
* Tree rings didn't show normal growth for fifteen years.

Imagine if Toba blows - it would make Krakatoa look like Mt. St. Helens.

[Minstrel Boy]

10. "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." n/t

[OneBlueSky]

11. possibly THE most crucial environmental news . . . kicked/recommended . . . n/t

.

[0rganism]

13. oops -- this is going to hurt

"peak oil" ain't got nothing on this calamity. When the fish go, that's the End Of The Line for the biosphere as you knew it, folks.

It's time to start asking, "What is life going to be like on the backside of the Hubbert curve?"

[KamaAina]

15. Why do those fish hate America so much?

:eyes:

[redqueen]

18. Let's hope we get more participation among citizens...

to elect more responsible governors.

Otherwise, it's carte blanche for commercial fishing operations. You know how that'll go.

[civildisoBDence]

24. Dr. Seuss was a visiony...

"One fish two fish, red fish blue fish."

That'll be it.

Newsprism

[progressoid]

30. Not to worry. The Lord moves in mysterious ways.

:sarcasm:

[The Stranger]

32. Support Zero Population Growth

There are too many people on the planet.

[ozone_man]

35. We have an unsustainable population

at least in view of our present consumption habits. There is no need to have more than six billion people. We've been fruitful and have multiplied enough already.

[Lil Red]

94. That's a good place to start,

but we are going to have to start discussing Negative Population Growth (NPG) soon...if Mother Nature doesn't do it for us. All of our major global problems are a direct result of an unsustainable human population. That's the real elephant in the room! Ironically, the last American president to bring up the issue was...(wait for it)...RICHARD NIXON.:rofl:

[Lisa]

36. a handy list to take to restaurants ...

A Canadian environmental group has compiled information on which species of seafood are under the most threat, or associated with serious impacts (e.g. unsustainable fish-farming). They have cards you can print out from their website, which can be distributed as a guide (and also used to lobby restaurants to take certain items off the menu, to reduce the pressure on stocks).

http://www.seachoice.org/page/news


Particularly vulnerable species (should be avoided)
http://www.seachoice.org/profile/result?rating=3

[pinniped]

72. And one from the Monterey Bay Aquarium:

http://mbayaq.org/cr/seafoodwatch.asp

[Barrett808]

38. A new study shows that animal muscle power largely drives ocean convection

Marine Life Stirs Ocean Enough To Affect Climate, Study Says
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/10/061013202025.htm

Kill the fish, and the thermohaline circulation system will slow or fail. And global climate will go haywire.

[Lisa]

42. wow! neat study!

So there is some truth to that "butterfly flapping its wings" analogy (only this is underwater of course). Thanks for posting! (Forwarding it to my boss, who studies climate change but started out in ecological energetics.)

[ozone_man]

48. Amazing!

I would not have guessed that this effect was so significant.

We should respect biodiversity, not because without it we may be facing extinction ourselves, but because we don't have the right to destroy nature. We are part of nature, just another animal, but the most dangerous one.

[file83]

78. That deserves its own post! That is amazing, and scary....

...because if ocean life begins to die off...what does that do to our climate?

[tritsofme]

39. I'm doing my part

I haven't eaten any seafood that wasn't shrimp for decades, since my mother last forced it on me.

[saigon68]

40. :-(

[YankeyMCC]

44. "Requires a fundamental change..."

The most important statement in this piece. Continual expansion is no longer a viable source of benefit to humanity. We need to move on from our childhood into at least the first stage of maturity and actually manage our environment not just exploit it.

And if you just look to our political leaders there is just no way that's going to happen. It has to be a grass roots change in how everyone acts and thinks about the world (the Single, Finite World) in which we live.

[nosmokes]

49. Ocean study predicts the collapse of all seafood fisheries by 2050

original-Stanford Report

Stanford Report, November 2, 2006
Ocean study predicts the collapse of all seafood fisheries by 2050

All species of wild seafood will collapse within 50 years, according to a new study by an international team of ecologists and economists. Writing in the Nov. 3 issue of the journal Science, the researchers conclude that the loss of marine biodiversity worldwide is profoundly reducing the ocean's ability to produce seafood, resist diseases, filter pollutants and rebound from stresses, such as climate change and overfishing.

"Unless we fundamentally change the way we manage all the ocean species together as working ecosystems, then this century is the last century of wild seafood," said study co-author Stephen Palumbi, professor of biological sciences at Stanford's Hopkins Marine Station.

Palumbi and Stanford colleague Fiorenza Micheli, assistant professor of biological sciences at Hopkins, are two of 14 co-authors of the Science study, the first major analysis of all existing datasets—historical, experimental, fisheries and observational—on ocean species and ecosystems.

Based on current global trends, the authors predicted that every species of wild-caught seafood—from tuna to sardines—will collapse by the year 2050. "Collapse" was defined as a 90 percent depletion of the species' baseline abundance.

"Whether we looked at tidepools or studies over the entire world's ocean, we saw the same picture emerging," said lead author Boris Worm of Dalhousie University. "In losing species we lose the productivity and stability of entire ecosystems. I was shocked and disturbed by how consistent these trends are—beyond anything we suspected."

The impacts of species loss go beyond declines in seafood, the authors said, noting that human health risks also emerge as depleted coastal ecosystems become vulnerable to invasive species, disease outbreaks and noxious algal blooms.
~snip~
.
.
.
complete articlehere

[kestrel91316]

50. I think it's time for me to become a vegetarian.......

Maybe occasional farmed salmon or catfish or shimp (they farm shrimp, right?). But it's time to say goodbye to wild-caught fish.

:cry:

[Hell Hath No Fury]

51. Just one more reason I am glad...

I am a vegetarian -- I don't contribute to this terrible problem. :cry:

[brokensymmetry]

52. I suspect the study is overly optimistic.

As growing population, climate change, and higher
energy costs strike land crops, people will turn
to the sea. Mankind will grab every minnow in
the oceans. Forget collapse - think mass extinction.

A few days ago, I posted a restaurant menu over in
the lounge - a pretty fancy restaurant a friend
works at. One of the items was a fish. It used to
be a so-called trash fish - one that fishers would
just dump on the shore. Now, it's featured.

I can remember less than 50 years ago when you'd
see Icelandic cod, haddock, and halibut in TV dinners.
The portions were large, the quality high - in a TV
dinner! Try getting such fare at a restaurant!

It's sad. The youth of today will inherit a burned-out
husk.

[LiviaOlivia]

53. Seafood Population Depleted by 2048, Study Finds

Seafood Population Depleted by 2048, Study Finds

By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 2, 2006; 2:28 PM

The world will run out of seafood by 2048 if steep declines in marine species continue at current rates, according to a study released today by an international group of ecologists and economists.

The paper, published in the journal Science, concludes that overfishing, pollution, and other environmental factors are wiping out important species across the globe, hampering the ocean's ability to produce seafood, filter nutrients and resist the spread of disease.

"We really see the end of the line now," said lead author Boris Worm, a marine biologist at Canada's Dalhousie University. "It's within our lifetime. Our children will see a world without seafood if we don't change things."

The 14 researchers from Canada, Panama, Sweden and the United States spent four years analyzing all the available data on fish populations and ocean ecosystems to reach their conclusion. They found that by 2003 -- the last year for which data on global commercial fish catches is available -- 29 percent of all fished species had collapsed, and that the rate of population collapses has accelerated in recent years.

~snip~

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/02/AR2006110200913.html

[karlrschneider]

54. This has a thread right down the page

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2592910&mesg_id=2592910

[kenny blankenship]

55. I love how the synonym for 'marine life' the author uses is SEAFOOD

as though the only purpose of life in the seas were to make fishsticks for us.

[Barrett808]

56. My thought exactly. "World without seafood" sounds less horrifying than...

..."world without marine life."

[Xipe Totec]

59. Life adapts

when you selectively deplete the ocean of edible species, what remains, necessarily, will not be seafood.

Good for them, not so good for us, perhaps best for all, overall...

[GoddessOfGuinness]

61. On the other hand,

in the case of morans of the world who really couldn't care less about species extinction, referring to sea life as "seafood" might have an impact on their limited sensibilities.

No more lobster dinners. No more clam chowder or crab feasts. No more Uncle Fred's Seafood restaurant. No more Mrs Pauls.

[meganmonkey]

57. Referring to it as "sea life"

instead of "seafood" would probably be a good start...

:shrug:

on edit: i am clearly not the first or only person to notice that :dunce:

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

58. So....Who Cares......As King george Would Say...We'll Be Dead By Then.

[Megahurtz]

65. Or "Raptured" by then.

LOL yeah right. :sarcasm:

[Ian David]

60. But doctor-murdering Ben Stein says, "Grab a fork, there's a lot more out there."

Why shouldn't we listen to Ben Stain... I mean Stein?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Slepian?

Slepian?


See:

Wild Alaska Seafood, ‘Wild Ben’ Stein and The Food Network Cast a Wide Net with High Impact Ad Campaign”
The Alaska Seafood Marketing Institute Takes Sustainability Message to the Airwaves

Seattle, Washington, September 25, 2006 – The Alaska Seafood Marketing Institute (ASMI) will launch a consumer television advertising campaign on The Food Network beginning September 25, 2006. The campaign is designed to promote wild and abundant Alaska seafood and prompt consumers to “Ask for Alaska” the next time they visit their favorite restaurants and grocery stores. ASMI is reaching out to foodservice and retail customers like never before; and has contracted with television/movie actor and comedian, Ben Stein, to deliver its sustainable message and promote the benefits of wild Alaska seafood. To view these spots please go to www.alaskaseafood.org/tv_ad <http://www.alaskaseafood.org/tv_ad> .

ASMI has a long history of providing its foodservice and retail customers with strong merchandising programs to drive sales of wild Alaska seafood. These efforts have been and will continue to be strengthened through highly compelling consumer print advertising campaigns. Now ASMI casts an even wider net by fortifying these efforts with this series of commercial spots airing on The Food Network. These spots are designed to inform, educate and entertain…and “Wild Ben’s” deadpan humor entertains with just the right amount levity when he reminds us to, “Grab a fork, there’s a lot more out there.”

In an effort to keep messages consistent across all consumer, foodservice and retail markets, ASMI has created 30- and 15-second versions of three spots: All-Species, Salmon and Crab. These spots will air from September 25 through November 27, 2006 and will coincide with the fall and winter/holiday season. The media buy has been finely targeted and coverage includes prime time, prime access, daytime, early fringe and weekends.

<snip>

“Grab a Fork” crab posters are also available to foodservice establishments and retail seafood counters for the upcoming holiday crab season.

More:
http://foodservice.chef2chef.net/foodservice-news/read_new1785.html

[judaspriestess]

66. why do humans hate planet earth?

[WinkyDink]

75. We have a species-wide death wish. I wish I were joking.

[AlGore-08.com]

74. And the media is obsessing over botched jokes and who's in the closet

[here_is_to_hope]

79. As a long time

offshore Tuna fisherperson, I think its even worse than what we are being told. Last year-no fish for 200 nm's offshore, this year we had fish but still further offshore than usual. Taking into account the "dead zones" off our coast (Oregon), looks like I will put the boat on the hard and call it a day soon.
The Mother Ocean is not well.

[ozone_man]

81. It's good to hear from a fisherman.

So am I, but of the very casual variety. Welcome to DU!

There have been fisheries that have rebounded and are now thriving, such as the lobster and striped bass fishing in the North East, but we need to take action before it's too late. There is a way for sustainable harvesting of fish. But it requires careful monitoring and limits. These ocean draggers take everything of the sea floor.

[here_is_to_hope]

83. Thanks!

Long time (4 years) lurker, the coming regime change finally got me to register...:silly:

[enough already]

80. Too many people on the planet

That will be taken care of when we run out of food.

[humbled_opinion]

84. Damn I love Alaskan King Crab... Its already so expensive...

[sapper]

85. And you really believe this?

[Name removed]

86. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

87. Those silly scientists.

Don't they know that God would never allow one of his creatures to become extinct?

[Dr Fate]

98. Yes- with their elitist "tests", "experiments" and "facts"-who do they think they are??

;)

[Dr Fate]

97. As opposed Rush, Fox news and anti-science Haggard types?

I'll go with the scientists as opposed to proven liars & meth heads on this one, thank you.

[Felix Mala]

88. "Homey, are you going to eat that and be responsible for extinguishing an entire species?"

"But Marge.... they're so tasty and grrr---rlph--chomp chomp, brrrrrp... mmm...mmm extinct species..."

[ItNerd4life]

90. Another scare tactic?

According to scientists from 30 years ago:
We are supposed to be entering an ice age.
We are supposed to be so over populated that everybody will be starving.
We are supposed to have so much pollution that nothing could survive.

Yet, we have global warming, less pollution, and we have an increasing population (which means there's food somewhere).

This country's food production has nearly doubled in the last 30 years because of improved farming methods. Maybe the same thing will occur with seafood.

Don't get me wrong, I think we need to take better care of the environment. But I think these scare tactics are starting to sound like Republicans tactics when it comes to terrorism alerts.

I think I better start eating more fish so I get my fair share! :P

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

91. Peer-reviewed scienctific papers are scare tactics?

:rofl:

[Dr Fate]

96. The warnings from 30 years ago were heeded to an extent.

Predictions are meant to be warnings- not fate engraved in stone.

Scientists warned us that *if* we did not adjust some things, then the disaters you listed might happen.

Just imagine what would have happened had we never been warned and had Liberals not fought to have those warnings heeded to an extent.

BTW- rapid global climate change is still a fact, one way or the other.

I think your approach is bass-ackwards.