Baptist Convention told: Muslims 'are here to take over our country'

[deadparrot]

CAPE GIRARDEAU — The prophets of the Hebrew scriptures are known for their warnings of doom and gloom, but even Jeremiah — arguably the gloomiest Old Testament sage — would have tipped his hat to the Rev. David Clippard at the Missouri Baptist Convention's annual meeting here this week.

In his opening address Monday night at Southeast Missouri State's Show Me Center, Clippard sounded off about a number of issues facing the state's 600,000 members, from a dwindling number of young churchgoers to the evils of embryonic stem cell research to falling contributions for international mission trips.

Clippard is the executive director of the state Convention, a fellowship of 2,000 congregations who cooperate with the 16-million member Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant denomination in the United States. Baptist churches that are members of the Southern Baptist Convention operate autonomously, but cooperate on many issues. Sen. Jim Talent, R.-Mo., and Richard Land, president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, are scheduled to address the meeting today.

Clippard reserved his strongest words for what he said he considered paramount for all Americans: the threat of Islam. "Today, Islam has a strategic plan to defeat and occupy America," he told the 1,200-strong crowd of delegates (called "messengers"), pastors and lay people, many of whom cheered his words.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/CC8578ABC09530A2862572190018B734?OpenDocument

[elehhhhna]

1. time for the Hatey hatersons to lose their tax exempt status.

[NanceGreggs]

2. Amen to that, Sister!

Why should hate groups get tax-exempt status?

[booley]

3. What about the Mexicans and the gays?

Don't these same people also want us to beleive that mexicans come to the US in a plan to take over the US and turn it into a new Atzlan?

And don't the 'Homosexuals" also want to ake over the country with thier "evil agenda"?

Sometimes i think these guys base thier speeches and policies on one of those mad libs book.

Need an enemy? Insert name here.

[yellowcanine]

5. I think it is the gay Mexican Islamists we really need to worry about.

Hey, it's a trifecta!

[DBoon]

41. I was waiting for someone to blame illegal immigrants for homosexuality

I knew those guys sneaking across the border had to have a secret agenda for destroying red blooded patriotic American men!

[Blue_Tires]

55. they can never get their story straight on WHO

is taking over the USA:

gays
liberal professors from harvard
the media
unions
feminists
mexicans
japanese
chinese
koreans
muslims
canadians
cubans
haitians
puerto ricans
jews
soviets
socialist europeans
DU
Hillary
Janet Reno
Unitarians
Indians
africans
the ACLU
Howard Dean
MoveOn
Bartcop
NAACP
Hollywood
people that actually enjoy guilt-free sex
bloggers on the internets

...the list goes on---every so often they will just pick one out of a hat

[Blue_Tires]

56. forgot to mention Chavez and the atheists

nt!

[yellowcanine]

4. I believe Cape Girardeau is Rush Limbaugh's home town. Wonder what those

bible thumping Baptists think of the Oxyman fornicator now?

[azurnoir]

8. Hey if "they" can

make Oxyman wear a bourka I'm all for it.

[davidinalameda]

6. take a look at Iraq

you have Muslims killing each other; I don't think that they're unified enough to have a strategic plan to defeat and occupy America

[Sequoia]

7. Oh boo hoo, 20 years ago it was the Communist.

[Ms. Clio]

16. exactly my first thought, too

insert ____________ <ultimate evil threat> here.

[Sequoia]

23. Like that photo you've got there!

[Ms. Clio]

44. Isn't Stephen the bomb??? It's from a great article

he wrote for Wired, "Be An Expert on Anything."

[TexasLawyer]

9. "dwindling number of young churchgoers..."

Hmmmmm... maybe 'cause their parents are fascist hatemongers? Just a thought.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

26. blessed words to mine ears and eyes.

I am finding it diffficult to work on pleadings. Haggard, Ney, the GOoPs nuke release website (thanks Rickie Sanitorium) and more.

[DavidDvorkin]

10. "And that's our job."

"We have a plan to take over America and undo the work of the Founding Fathers. We can't allow anyone else to do it instead."

[Solly Mack]

11. These folks ever think to put themselves out their misery?

They'd be a lot happier - free from the various bogeymen that chase them in their dreams.

[Julius Civitatus]

12. Muslim is the new Communist

Same trick, same pony.
The Republican party can not exist without a terrible enemy. They thrive on fear.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

13. When you drill down into their message...

And the history and provenance of that message over the last 40 or so years, there is a direct line from the worst of the Christian Identity Movement and The John Birch Society, to right-wing hate groups to militias that were, and are, worst of breed.

They are peddling the same crap, with a little tarting up. Ain't a dime's worth of difference.

The difference is that the repukes grabbed the tail of that tiger to gain power.

[AngryOldDem]

14. Time to join the Crusade!

Sign-up sheets at the back of the hall.

[Lance_Boyle]

21. sign-up pointy hats, too. n/t

[DinahMoeHum]

15. Hoo boy, did you read the last 2 paragraphs??

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/CC8578ABC09530A2862572190018B734?OpenDocument

(snip)
Clippard said Tuesday that his message was really about love.

"I don't hate Islamic people," he said. "We need to love these folks, go after them and love them, one at a time. We need to crucify them with Christ."
(snip)

:grr:

Clippard = Crusader Pig

:evilfrown:

[Ms. Clio]

18. "we need to crucify them with Christ"

WTH??? This sounds like something a joyful believer in the Inquisition would have proclaimed, as he heated his tongs, tightened the ropes on his rack, and filled jugs of water for one of the original versions of "waterboarding."

We need to crucify these "Christian people" with the truth, and maybe some garlic, just in case.

[AliceWonderland]

19. "We need to crucify them with Christ"

What the hell does that even mean???

Good grief. I understand how Mark Twain became misanthropic.

[FormerDem06]

20. Sorry to interrupt the Christian pile-on here, but Crucified with Christ means...

While I don't agree with his first statement about Muslims taking over America (although a very few would prefer that we were a state governed by sharia); that comment doesn't mean that they want to go out and start crucifying Muslims. Sometimes Context is a good thing right?

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"I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself for me." (Galatians 2:20).

"God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing nor uncircumcision, but a new creature" (Galatians 6:14,15).

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We must continually die to self. If we are to live as God wants us to live then we must grasp this truth and hold onto it. We must see ourselves crucified with Christ. What does that mean?

Well it means among other things that we have put an end of trying to please God through our own good works. It also means that we have accepted that we cannot fulfil the law as demanded by God.

It means that we fully accept that another has pleased God on our behalf. That same person has also fulfilled God's law in very detail on our behalf. Justice has been satisfied through the sacrifice of the Lamb of God for sinners. His blood speaketh better things than that of Abel.

The above was taken from a UK website called apples of gold to be fair. I didn't read all of their content but this part was on the money as I have been taught growing up.
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[sapper]

22. You are dead on FormerDem06

!!

[DinahMoeHum]

25. Sorry, too late. The quote may be out of context, but a Muslim

reading this is going to interpret it as "either convert to Christianity or die like Christ". No amount of explaining by you or I will make it different for them.

As it is, Muslims here increasingly feel persecuted by these fundie clowns, and I fear many of them do believe the fundies are hell-bent on converting or exterminating every one of them.

I understand that sentence may be a "Bible-speak" or "Bible-code" phrase; unfortunately, it has a different meaning for most of us not involved in their cult.

Sorry, but that sentence by Clippard just threw more gasoline on the fire.

:evilfrown:

[NaturalHigh]

29. Unfortunately, you'll find many such "pile-ons"...

from some of the members here.

[Ms. Clio]

46. gosh, another one crucifying himself

bless yer lil soul.

[Bill McBlueState]

38. so?

Maybe when Christians are speaking in situations where they know they'll be quoted in the national media, they should cut back on the jargon. Whatever they may think it means, those of us outside the loop hear "crucify" and think of crucifixions.

[leesa]

40. Why can't they just leave them the hell alone?

So they intend to impose their religion on them rather than kill them.

[Ms. Clio]

45. "Christian pile-on" ---gosh, love to martyr yourself much???

In the first place, I don't really give a rat's ass about some obscure interpretation of two even more obscure Bible verses, okay? In the second place, my own interpretation of those obscure Bible verses is that they are describing an inner-directed process for an individual, and not some ominous-sounding activity directed at non-believers.

[IndianaGreen]

54. First of all you quote Paul who never met Jesus or was among his disciples

Second, James, who was Jesus's own brother, publicly rebuked Paul's dangerous and heretical teaching of "justification by faith," when he wrote that faith without works was a dead faith.

As to the Southern Baptists, they are the same group that wants to save us Jews by converting us to their homophobic and misogynist version of religion.

The common danger we all face is religious extremism in all its permutations. Whether we speak of Christianity, Islam, or Judaism, the three major monotheistic religions are under assault by extremists in their midst.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

59. About that "Christian pile-on," this is all I have to say:

[Ilsa]

60. If to "Crucify with Christ" is an internal change, then how is this

recommendation going to be accomplished externally by the CHristian? Is the pastor saying that they have to accept that the Muslims might be pleasing God? It doesn't fit with the context of "The muslims are trying to take over the US." So I am still lost. Maybe it is too early in the morning for me.

[Hugin]

17. Sorry to disappoint them, but, Bushco beat them to it...

:shrug:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

24. the state of misery. and ashcroft. that explains a lot.

[The Stranger]

27. They constitute a Church of Hate

[NaturalHigh]

28. Bullshit.

I hate to break it to you, but we Baptists don't have horns. Many of us usually vote for Democrats. My grandfather was a Baptist deacon who proudly told everyone that he never once voted for a Republican.

[The Stranger]

30. Then why do these Baptists say and support this hateful shit?

[NaturalHigh]

31. Frankly, I don't think it was intended to be hateful.

Are you saying there aren't plenty of Muslim fundamentalists out there who feel this way?

[Name removed]

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[NaturalHigh]

33. Neocon talking points, my ass.

If you want to believe that there aren't plenty of Muslim fundamentalists who advocate death for "infidels" who refuse to convert, go right ahead. Being "progressive" doesn't have to mean sticking one's head in the sand.

[Solon]

36. And that makes it right for Christian Crazies to advocate the same thing? n/t

[brentspeak]

51. I'm at a loss, here. There's something I can't seem to figure out

Where in the other poster's comments did he say that because there are a whole lot of Islamic fundamentalists in the world, it "makes it right for Christian Crazies to advocate the same thing" (or words to that effect)?

[NaturalHigh]

53. Thanks for a dose of common sense.

I obviously can't speak for every Baptist in America, but nobody I know of wants to take over the country or forcibly convert anyone.

[Solon]

58. LOL!!!! n/t

[Name removed]

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. I'm having trouble...

understanding Posts #28 and #33.

It seems you're trying to dish it out, but not take it.

:shrug:

[Zhade]

42. Are you serious?

Do you know how small the number of such fundamentalists are in comparison to 1) the number of U.S. citizens, who obviously wouldn't stand for being 'conquered' and 2) our military, cops, etc?

Your paranoia is out of control.

[CJCRANE]

43. "Islam has a strategic plan

to defeat and occupy America".

All I see right now is Neocons who have a plan to occupy Iraq.

So-called "Islam" is a culture of one billion people, many of whom want foreign troops out of Iraq, but I don't think most muslims give a fig about what Americans do in their own country, they have their own countries to sort out.

[Ms. Clio]

47. thank you

love to see folks here parroting the bigotry and neocon talking points; really makes my day. :(

[brentspeak]

49. Before we go down the "concern" talking points...

I think you can figure out the rest.

[brentspeak]

48. Thanks for pointing out the truth. The shrill yahoos on this board

are unlikely (or unable) to understand it, though that's not your fault.

[MasonJar]

34. I am an ex-Southern Baptist, really ex. (40 + years ex) and so I

feel free to say that the Southern Baptists of the S. Baptist Seminary in Louisville (where I live) and their ilk can dry up and blow away and the world would be the better...oh, and the sooner they blow the better too. They are the most bigoted and un-Christian group of smear/fear mongers in existence.

[cap]

35. how do you know they arent blowing already???

oh... naughty me....

[Dr Fate]

39. yes- and they will flood our streets with male hookers & crystal meth.

Be afraid- be VERY afraid!!!

[w4rma]

50. How in holy heck are Muslims going to take over our country?

How do these nuts function every day? They act like they are in fear of *everything*, including their own shadows.

[diamidue]

52. Baptists have been singing this tune since 2003

if not before.
http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/1401.article

[Julius Civitatus]

61. The Muslims are coming! The Muslims are coming!!!!!

As many have noted, Muslim is the new Communist.