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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:26 PM
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Kansas abortion MD wants O'Reilly probe
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TOPEKA, Kan. --An abortion doctor plans to ask for an investigation of the state attorney general and Bill O'Reilly over comments by the Fox television host that he got information from Kansas abortion records, the doctor's attorneys said Saturday.
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During a Friday night broadcast of "The O'Reilly Factor," the conservative host said a "source inside" told the show that Tiller performs late-term abortions when a patient is depressed, which O'Reilly deemed "executing babies."

O'Reilly also said his show has evidence that Tiller's clinic and another unnamed clinic have broken Kansas law by failing to report potential rapes with victims ages 10 to 15.
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"This has been our concern from the beginning, that if he ended up with these records, that just this type of event would occur. Our worst nightmare has happened," Irigonegaray said. "Women in America deserve better than this."
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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/11/04/oreilly_has_details_of_kansas_abortions/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+News
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:29 PM
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1. I didn't know you could be a doctor of Abortionology
Mind you, I know that came from the article. But it's like the paper is already vilifying a doctor who probably works for a family planning clinic and is an OB/GYN and does alot more than just providing abortions. But god forbid if the paper called the doctor an OB/GYN then perhaps the reader my empathize with the doctor
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:37 PM
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2. gawd. i would love to O'LIElly go down!
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:44 PM
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3. Both sides are wrong...
O'Reilly's source should have never shared the records.

Late term abortions should not have been performed illegally. Rapes should have been reported, especially when dealing with minors.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:48 PM
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5. so by the time the rape investigation is done
the 11 year old should have to bring to term a baby or foetus that she doesn't want -?

for evidence maybe -- or just to make you feel good?
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:55 PM
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7. Why does an investigation have to prevent
the victim from getting medical care? I must be missing something.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:02 PM
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9. a lot of things can be the cause for fear
when you're eleven.

they would take the child into protective custody -- and GOD KNOWS there are plenty of horror stories for children when that happens.

the system is still not skewed to protect and serve women and the poor the way it should.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 09:40 PM
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18. Yeah, you're right. I had assumed that somehow this had happened
to a child where the parents are involved and care. So many times, they appear to be negligent, and so yeah, she could end up in foster care and someone might prevent her from getting the medication she needed to prevent pregnancy.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:23 PM
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19. Very often, the youngest victims of rape are raped by
family members or quasi-family members -- mother's boyfriend, stepbrother, stepfather, older cousin, uncle, etc.

Young girls -- like all women -- are far less often raped by "strangers" than by someone they know.

While Phill (with 2 LLs) Kline, the Kansas AG, spews a "compassionate" line about caring for the young victims of rape, abuse, assault, etc., he's totally and completely full of shit. ALL he cares about, ALL he cares about, is the unborn. Once it's born, he doesn't give a shit, and he doesn't give a shit about the mother, regardless of her age.

He's a piece of work beyond description.

Dr. George Tiller is one of the very few providers of late-term abortions in the country. He has been threatened and he has been shot. To many women, he is the ultimate in heroes: willing to get out there every day and do what he knows is right and damn the lying, hypocritical sacks o' shit on the fundamentalist right-to-birth-but-not-life right all to hell.

Tansy Gold
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 12:31 PM
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31. My wife worked for Tiller and it was some experience
My wife was a student at Wichita State during that time and worked part time for Tiller. All the time she would leave work to find that our car had been vandelized while she was at work. One time someone dumped an entire load of used condoms inside the driver's side. Another time all our tires were slit when she came out from work and the car had "baby killer" spray painted on it in several places. Eventually Tiller hired a full time security service to monitor outside. My wife quit before it started getting really bad.

She used to have the worst stories about the poor girls who came to the clinic (and indeed it was frequently if not virtually always girls under 18). There were many Arab girls who were flown in from the Mid East by their parents--without the abortion these girls faced stoning or death even more horrific if they would give birth in their fundamentalist Muslim country. May time the girls had hidden their pregnancy until it absolutely couldn't be hidden anymore.

I have to admit however that I heard some stories about the actual abortions themselves that gave me pause. One way or another it is just a bad situation. Few if any of these girls or their families wanted to have an abortion. One thing on which I do agree with the anti-choice people about is that when it gets to this point it is a tragedy.
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In Appreciation of Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 03:17 PM
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34. How much is that?
An "entire load" of used condoms? 4? 20?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 03:26 PM
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35. How many would it have to be for YOU to take notice?
words fail me

Hekate

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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:51 PM
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6. and you know for
sure that the info O'Lielly spewed was fact?
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 12:06 PM
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28. It doesn't matter if what he spewed was fact
he said it and it should be investigated. Maybe he'll learn to keep his big mouth shut.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:00 PM
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8. so what does that mean?
both sides are wrong...so what...no harm, no foul? Bullshit. Giving medical records to anyone, but especially the media... of an eleven year old rape victim is about as fucked up as you can get. And who the hell are you to decide when victims should report rape? Your response is just so cold.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:15 PM
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12. Does Walmart need to report if a 14yo buys condoms?
As a professional in the social service feild, should I report a rape when I give my kiddos condoms and they are under 16?
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 11:33 PM
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22. You actually believe Bill O'Reilly?
This guy is the lowest of lowlife media whores.

Read Al Franken's book - Franken caught him lying numerous times just researching a few of O'Reilly's statements. It's called propaganda.
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Felinity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 09:18 AM
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25. Good thinking
O'Lie-ly reports something on records that were ostensibly stolen and you take the information at face value?

How do you know this information is accurate?

Geez!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 09:30 AM
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26. I would run a capaign ad with this in it
"The reactionaries here in KS are giving private medical records to ultra-right-wing, partisan TV commentators. Its' not only against the law, it's immoral. Vote Democratic and stop domestic terrorism"
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:19 PM
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32. Aren't you putting the cart before the horse?
Do you know for a fact that there were late term abortions that were performed illegally? I live in Kansas and I don't know that for a fact.

Do you know for a fact that any of those abortions concerned rapes of minors? I agree that rapes should be reported but not all pregnancies by minors are the result of rape. I know there are plenty of sexually active minors in Kansas (and elsewhere) and each year some minors become pregnant. So, if a sexually active 15 year old becomes pregnant through consensual sex by another 15 year old Kline wants to prosecute the male for statutory rape. Is that right? Why isn't he looking at the public records of live births by minors and go after the parties involved for statutory rape? Why? Because what Kline really wants to do is to make sure that everyone practices absentience until they have the sanctity of marriage. Kline doesn't want to prosecute those who carry their pregnancies to term, he only wants to persecute and harrasses those who operate facilities where abortions can be obtained because of his own personal religious beliefs.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:46 PM
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4. Ugh.
And I'm sure he gets his perverted kicks imagining young rape victims. Just him bringing it up makes me ill.
I HATE that sloppy disgusting chunk of shit.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:23 PM
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13. O'Reilly or good ole
double L Phill Kline? They are both pond scum but hopefully we will be rid of ours this week. O'Reilly will be harder to get rid of.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:07 PM
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10. A fight with Pedro is a losing battle.
Man oh man, I would not want to be on his bad side. He is one hell of an attorney (also one of my best friends). Get the lying O Pedro! He is the biggest ally around here for women and the GLBT community.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:14 PM
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11. Reich wingers can take the child into custody to prevent an abortion
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:29 PM
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14. The right of privacy under the Constitution are being
are being denied. Time for his assault against US citizen' rights to be halted. There is hardly a rights issue that the ultra right has not attacked. Goddamn Nazis.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 09:15 PM
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16. That's why they hate Roe V Wade so much. It's all
about or right to privacy. They don't give a shit about the "unborn baby."
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 09:41 AM
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27. Seems like most Anti-abortionists then think that once te kid it out of the womb
That the kid is on their own and no longer needs their protection, jus to be a good drone.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 04:53 PM
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36. If they were concerned about life, there would
be some consistency.
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Oreegone Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:57 PM
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15. This is as low as it goes
O'Reilly and the Attorney General don't give a shit about these children, they just want to make a name for themselves. Low life scumsuckers. Makes me ill.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 09:18 PM
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17. I say let Pastor Teddy probe O'Really. nt
Edited on Sat Nov-04-06 09:19 PM by VegasWolf
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 11:31 PM
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20. I hope o'reilly never has sex again....unless of course it's
a dog biting off his dick. And I mean it.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 11:33 PM
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21. And I'll second that.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 11:42 PM
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24. i'll 3rd it, this is just unreal.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 11:37 PM
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23. This is outrageous and it's all political, this asshole is in a and i quote
"Kline, an abortion opponent and Republican in a tight race with Democrat Paul Morrison, was interviewed by O'Reilly during the segment." This ass should be removed from office and disbarred and possibly jailed.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:30 PM
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33. Believe me we are working on it
Morrison is ahead in the polls. Two former Republican AGs have come out and endorsed Morrison over Kline, their own party's incumbent AG. Former AG Robert Stephen (R) publicly quit Kline's campaign over a month ago and a week later came out and endorsed Kline.

Morrison up by 15% in Wichita where Tiller's clinic is located. He's from Johnson County (KCK) and has a lot of support in NE Kansas. The corridor between KCK-Lawrence-Topeka accounts for 40% of the votes cast in Kansas. Wichita accounts for another 15%. This should be more than enough to get Morrison elected.

fwiw, in 2002 when Kline ran his Democratic opponent, Chris Biggs, lost by less than 1 - 2% of the vote. This was incredible considering that he so little money to work with and rarely campaigned.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 12:30 PM
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29. I want O'Reilly probed, too ...
with a very spiky cactus.
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jonnywishbone97 Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 12:30 PM
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30. I want him probed too
Same cactus only no lube.
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