Murdoch says US death toll in Iraq 'minute'

[OneAngryDemocrat]

Media mogul Rupert Murdoch said on Monday he had no regrets about supporting the US-led invasion of Iraq and argued that the US death toll in the conflict was "minute" from a historical perspective.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/342795.cms

I wonder which other pre-emptive war of aggression Rupert is comparing Iraq to, for his ''historical'' perspective?

Please visit my anti-war website, www.shockedandawful.com

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[sweetheart]

2. his own death will be minute

no person on earth will miss that mendacious prick.

[Missy M]

3. So the tragic deaths of the US soldiers is now.......

brought down to being "minute" not to mention a "comma" when it comes to history. I wonder how the families of the dead soldiers feel about those statements. Their sacrifice is nothing more than "minute".

[hatrack]

4. Odd, considering that military KIA now outnumber those who died on 9/11

And 9/11 changed everything, but if it's really a "minute" number . . . :wtf:

[sweetheart]

9. The everything that 9/11 changed

To accept that a steel structure collapses at terminal falling speed, when
only the top is damaged, where the collapse is happening faster than
free falling components, leaves the distinct historical world,
where the building's demolition was planned as a terrorist intercept,
from cheney's bunker to provoke unlimited power and a world war.

With new evidence out, i'm no longer believing it was LIHOP, but MIHOP,
and in that case, all deaths are just excusable discretions of the
thieves who wanted to cover up and destroy all evidence from the
2001 dot com boom, and for trillions missing in the pentagon, by
engineering the greatest robbery in history.
.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7143212690219513043&q=911+Mysteries+-+Demolitions

Republicans believe the WTC dead are equally inconsequental to the war dead,
largely because they themselves are already dead inside.

[jokerman93]

23. I almost never say

Amen. You have a keen eye, swthrt. And a knack for laying it down on the page.

Amen.

J

[hack89]

59. You have it backwards

every picture shows the falling columns and debris falling faster than the collapse.

http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

You should also take the time to read the paper on the physics of the collapse that is on the same page. There is a reason the vast number of engineers in the world accept that the collapse was possible.

[sweetheart]

62. There are some parts they don't say.

The conspiracy theory suggests that the wind force on those buildings from a 140mph wind
is less than the impact of one of those jetliners.

They say larry silverstein took over a largely empty set of buildings filled with asbestos
1 month before, and the power down the sunday before, with the dust and what clearly looks
to be the wiring of the building with explosives. The video footage of this!

The video of the WTC lobby, with the people saying 'it looks like the plane hit here'
from the subbasement explosion... where you can see all the windows blown out on the ground
floor and the marble coming off the walls.

The whole video of the global hawk hitting the pentagon after a tight 270degree turn was
executed by an amateur pilot to hit the only empty part of the pentagon that housed all
the budget offices, that no parts of a 7x7 were photographed or found there, that the
building shows no marks of being hit by such a plane, and plenty of evidence that it
was a global hawk.

Building 7 was 'pulled' clearly by firefighters, and even described so. That this is a
conspiracy, i never thought so, but the lie is maintained that it was not pulled.

That the 911 investigation was an obvious coverup, and military grade anthrax was sent
to the offices of the person who would ask for more investigation.

It stinks to high heaven. After 5 years of aggressive war criminals since 9/11, i can
no longer presume that any person in government is on the level in any way, rather, what
appears, is that the 2000 dot com collapse and trillions lost in pentagon were summarily
erased by a planned/expected event.

Since they're obviously lying about the pentagon, all the story is suspect.

[hack89]

63. So I take it you are unable to address the facts of the issue? nt

[sweetheart]

65. No, i just mentioned the facts that are out of line

There is no factual evidence anyone can produce that
shows a 757 aircraft at the pentagon.

Anthrax was sent to those who might order an investigation,
yes indeed, the facts don't stack up.

[hack89]

67. Is that a fact?

try here:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

And of course there is the minor issue of the eye witnesses, none of which saw anything resembling a missile or a global hawk.

[sweetheart]

68. this video pretty much debunks any 757

You can see the global hawk in their own footage.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1336167662031629480&q=%22painful+deceptions%22

the beginning of this video, is no new info, but the second part, explains how the
aircraft hit the pentagon, how an amateur pilot took a 757 through a 270 degree banked
turn at low altitude before flying feet above the tarmac and hitting a buildings.

The parts in the website you just posted are debunked, all, not a single 757 part.

[hack89]

69. You are kidding, right?

it shows no such thing. You show me an eye witness account of a Global Hawk and we can talk.

Some sites that discuss 757 parts:

http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml

[sweetheart]

72. 60 tons of debris

and a flight maneouver that is dubious for even the most expert pilot,
unscrambled jets,
I agree with the guy who made the video in the sense that
there are too many coincidences, and that the investigation should be reopened.

The website of 911myths, does not show the 60 tonnes!! of stuff. I've seen pictures
of airplane crashes my whole life and i'm not a fool, there is not 60 tones of aircraft,
nor is there any imprint on the pentagon exterior of the wings!!

The world trade center top blossoms out like a mushroom, with debris on a serious
trajectory outwards, and this sudden extreme horizontal momentum, when looked at on
a close up, just looks very wrong. I do believe that they had the towers wired with
explosives just in case somebody attacked again like in 93, and perhaps caused a tower
to fall like a tree, the owner would have the option of a lesser evil of a vertical
collapse that would not kill like a horizontal collapse on to the world financial
center. I respect that there may have been public safety reason to wire the buildings
just in case, a secure military detonation.

The failure to scramble for our impeccable airforce is deliberate, it can be nothing but.

Cheney's exercise was to do operation northwoods, and all the evidence you've posted,
is not convincing. That video is outstanding at asking questions that really are fair,
and none of them answered by this hodgepodge of apparent reality enforcement debunking
websites. I'm sure jesus christ has been debunked a billion times, yet people know what
is real in their own hearts. The official story is deeply suspect, and i'm not longer
believing, as i did at the time, that the executive was uninvolved. The involvement of
the bush family in security at the towers, is the smoking gun. They taught wall street
a lesson, started a war, grabbed unlimited power, and advanced an army in to asia based
on the 'everything' changed on 9/11 that, as it turns, they participated in... am i
not suprised with this murderous clan of lecherous republicans, no.

I want the investigation reopened, the official story does not explain why the
fucking building exploded in to pulverized bits horizonally.. its like pretending
that oj simpson did not kill those 2 people, ok, i can pretend that cheney had nothing
to do with 9/11 and not be a conspiracy theorist, just put on my 'thought control' cap,
and i'll be fine, it was just a natural set of stupendous coincidences and defiances of
obvious missing 757's at the pentagon.

[sweetheart]

64. 9/11 was orchestrated by the cheney & bin laden together

Terrorist exercise: supressed
Fact: No airliner hit the pentagon
Fact: There were clear subbasement explosions in the towers that
are not related to aircraft.
Fact: there was an irregular power shutdown and massive dust creating
work all over the building the previous weekend to the collapse.

The website of 'debunk' just leaves out the facts it finds too hard to
challenge, and presumes any people who can ask questions will fall back
in to line when they are kicked by some more brainwashed people that
believe STILL, that the regime in washington is not a load of bloodthirsty
war criminals.

It was hardly common knowledge the real cause of the reichstag fire, and
impressively, for those who want to know, enough info is out to invalidate
the official story.

There was never an investigation. All the evidence was immediately covered
up and swept away. And anthrax was posted to anyone who threatened the
coverup. Then all the persons who accept that 9/11 was an outside job,
then proceed 100% on cheney's turf, having absolved the chief architect
from any responsibility as is still the case.

[Canuckistanian]

5. "Minute" compared to his corporate profits

He's made it his business selling this war.

And it sold well.

[Dune]

6. Minute

Let's not forget that we have all kinds of private military armies fighting our war for us paying them outrageous sums of money to prevent a draft which would require GWB to spend all of his political capital. This war has cost BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS and has made the Hessians that fought against this country in the revolutionary war look like the salvation army giveaway program. The truth is that the Americans that have died in Iraq have been minute compared to the Americans that should have died if we were actually fighting this war. We have outsourced our jobs and privitized our military... I can't think of a more despicable way to run a nation. GWB & Rummy & Cheney & all the neocons should be put in a pine box and forgotton like the dead soldiers we don't get to see returning from Iraq.

[UpInArms]

58. Welcome to DU, Dune! Actually - that is "hundreds of Billions of Dollars"

Glad to have you here :hi:

Here are the numbers:

The War in Iraq Costs
$340,159,139,221

http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182

[saigon68]

7. Disgusting

[leftchick]

8. remember this is Hil's new best friend

:puke:

[saigon68]

71. She and the DNC will use his millions to buy the Presidency

[Dune]

10. Howard Winters:

Civilization is the process in which one gradually increases the number of people included in the term 'we' or 'us' and at the same time decreases those labeled 'you' or 'them' until that category has no one left in it.

[The Deacon]

15. I LOVE THAT QUOTE!

Can you provide a little more background on it?

[dchill]

55. Very nice quote!

Welcome to DU, Dune.

[BeyondGeography]

11. "Minute" is an appropriate term for the amount of thought

that went into this disaster.

[Solly Mack]

12. All death is arguably relative from a historical (time) perspective

but that doesn't change the fact that the people living in that time - in that age - suffer from the death and injury atrocity brings.

It doesn't change the fact that those deaths and injuries, no matter how few or how many, have lasting consequences.

It doesn't change the fact that the survivors cry out against those deaths - against the injustices.

It doesn't change the fact that justice is still demanded for those deaths and injuries.

Those who attempt to downplay current atrocities in terms of a future history are not concerned by the atrocities - they are only concerned with not wearing the blame for their enabling of those atrocities.

Murdoch, and those like him, shouldn't count on time - for the people remember. We pass it on to the next generation - all the anger, all the hurt, and all the desire for justice...and in many cases, revenge.

Time doesn't heal all wounds.

Anyone wanting to use history as a comparative measure to put atrocity into "perspective" should know that.

And I'm betting Murdoch does know that - but he's counting on time in the form of his own eventual death to escape justice for his enabling of atrocities.

He's not the only one depending on time and "perspective" to escape justice.

[mikeytherat]

13. Well, Saddam's getting capital punishment for 150 deaths 24 years ago

That seems like an awfully minute number, don't you think Rupert?

mikey_the_rat

[saigon68]

22. AS COMPARED TO THE CHIMP Killing 500,000 or so

[LynnTheDem]

14. When is rupert sending his own "minute" children to Iraq to die?

Then he can publicly call the deaths of his own children "minute".

DENIGRATE AMERICAN TROOP DEATHS; it's the rightwingnut way of "supporting the troops".

[Straight Shooter]

16. "One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic." (Joseph Stalin).

The defining characteristic of a tyrant is absolute disregard and contempt for the lives of people over whom they have control, whether that be financial or physical control. Stalin and Murdoch were cut from the same cloth, and rose to the same level of heinous character within the respective framework of their societies.

[goforit]

17. Lives of others are......expendable.

[saigon68]

28. EXPENDABLE

[joefree1]

18. As long as his chickenhawk viewers aren't dying

Why should Murdoch care?



Learn more about this hate profiteer here:
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2004/07/b122948.html

[davhill]

19. It's true but so what

The lower US death toll compared to previous wars is a tribute to the advances in trauma medicine since Vietnam and Korea. It is not a justification of the war. Even on person dieing for a politician's stupidity is too much.

[Ediacara]

20. He's right...

...when compared to the Iraqi civilian death toll.

[It was not a pretzel]

21. Worse than Bush's "comma"

and at least * has a certain right to talk shit as he is at least on paper the President. I hope Murdoch has a nasty accident, the sooner the better.

[jokerman93]

24. These are the words

These are the words of a person who sees himself as among the shapers of history. We nameless masses are nothing more than the ebb and flow of human chattel that is, to them, as constant as the sea throughout the centuries - mere adjuncts and instruments of their ambition. Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and the PNAC gang see themselves the same way. The irony is, their elitism gives them just enough arrogance to reveal the glaring weaknesses that will sooner or later render them dispensable to us.

Too bad no one told them they hold nothing in their hands and "history" as they know it...
is already over.

J

[OneAngryDemocrat]

25. Don't you...

find it curious that so many of the xenophobic Right would put so much trust into a froeign-born hack?

Has he become an American yet, or is he still Australian?

Better still, does he have dual-citizenship?

[Kali]

26. I wonder what the numbers say about the severly wounded.

And does anyone know if stats include "contractors" or id anyone has the stats on them?

[HughBeaumont]

27. Forget "idiot" . . .

I say we nominate Murdick as our first "Conservative Asshole of the Week".

[TheBaldyMan]

29. I guess the Iraqis are right, their lives are worth nothing in the eyes of the west

Anyone in any doubt about the ultimate defeat of the US and her allies in the middle east need look no further than Mr. Murdoch's comments for the reason for that defeat. You cannot treat an entire people as though they were less than animals. This mentality is at the root of all the troubles in the middle east. If we don't count Iraqi dead as every bit as human as our own then how can we express disgust or shock at suicide bombers.

The real tragedy is that human beings consider becoming a poor man's smart bomb in the first place. If those poor deluded souls think Al Qaida is preferable to engagement with the west we have failed every arab in the middle east already.

The US and its allies will be kicked out on their collective asses. It is our fault not the victims of fundamentalists, I include the suicide bombers as victims of the same twisted excuse for theology that Al Qaida represents.

[yellowcanine]

30. Could have said the same thing about 'Nam in '65. And we save more

lives of critically injured soldiers these days. If one counts the total casualties, not just the deaths, the picture gets a lot more grim....I wonder how a triple amputee feels about Murdoch's assessment of "minute" losses in Iraq.

[NEOBuckeye]

31. (self delete) n/t

[SHRED]

32. Murdoch says US death toll in Iraq 'minute'

The owner of Fox Network, Rupert Murdoch.
"Minute".
Isn't that special?

And to think that the TV's in Iraq are all required to broadcast only Fox News.
In fact I think all TV's, in common military gathering areas are tuned to Fox only.

Just sickening.
If he had any balls he would tell that to the widows and their children.

---

Murdoch says US death toll in Iraq 'minute'

TOKYO: Media mogul Rupert Murdoch said on Monday he had no regrets about supporting the US-led invasion of Iraq and argued that the US death toll in the conflict was "minute" from a historical perspective.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/342795.cms

[IntiRaymi]

33. That plutocrat can go get F*** himself.

[LynnTheDem]

34. Of course he has "no regrets"; his kids aren't dead in Iraq.

Didn't cost him a damn thing. He got richer off it.

Denigrate American troop deaths; it's the republican way to "support the troops"

And of course Murdoch also calls the 2600 US deaths on September 11, 2001 "minute", right?

[Democrats_win]

35. Murdoch is not an American. FCC rules should make his ownership end.

[Fenris]

38. Actually, Murdoch has been a naturalized American since 1985.

[Aviation Pro]

36. Can we strip this fucker of his citizenship.....

...after we seat the new Democratic Congress?

[Matilda]

49. We don't want him back, thank you.

The man is evil incarnate.

[cobaindrain]

37. he should be arrested and tries

as "head cheerleader" for this huge disaster. his hands are about as bloodied as bush and cheney's imho.

[NanceGreggs]

39. When THAT old goat finally croaks ...

... it will not be seen as minute - it will be infinitesimal.

[DemoTex]

40. Pol Pot says Kampuchea death toll 'minute'

Hitler agrees.

[barb162]

47. what was the death toll there?

[MannyGoldstein]

41. Sir Rupert and His Best Buddy, Ms. Clinton

Should encourage their children to head off to Iraq, if they think that it's such a great cause. Heck, they should grab a gun and go themselves.

Ah, the Predator Class... so much better than us Little People.

[Erika]

42. Are the W girls and cousins going to join them in Iraq? n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

44. Perhaps at an Iraq Hedge Fund n/t

[wiley]

52. Shouldn't you be shaving your balls?

You don't trash a Democratic Senator on election day on DU. It's that simple.

[MannyGoldstein]

60. Self-Delete

[BootinUp]

43. I guess when you are that rich and powerful

you really don't give a shit what the regular people think about you.

Let them eat cake.

or


Let them fight and die, its what they are useful for.

[savemefromdumbya]

45. Murdoch needs to get his eyes tested

obviously he doesn't watch his own channels

[aaronbees]

46. minute .... commas ..... etc.

It's amazing how cavalier these powerbrokers and criminals are with lives that are not their own.

[ShortnFiery]

48. Yes, because it's only the non-ruling classes who serve in the Military.

Therefore, if you have no friends or loved one's die in war, it's merely *a comma* in history to our illustrious rulers. :puke:

[wholetruth00]

50. Everyone else's life is "minute" to wealthy Republican conservatives.

We are all fodder in their machine.

[Guaranteed]

51. I want an APOLOGY to our TROOPS for this INSULT toward the SACRIFICES

they've made!!!!!!

[TexasLawyer]

53. Maybe some of his family members should ship out

doesn't sound too dangerous, and it's oh, so patriotic!

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/02/business/media/02murdoch.html?ex=1163048400&en=41bac5ff19b90492&ei=5070

Wife and Ex-Wife Now Shape News Corp.'s Fate

By RICHARD SIKLOS
and GERALDINE FABRIKANT
Published: August 2, 2005

[upi402]

54. he is supporting HILLARY????

:hangover:
Am I having a nightmare?

[JoFerret]

56. Good site

thanks.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

57. Thanx!!!

Thank you...

It's mine, all mine.

:)

[enki23]

61. i read it as "moloch"

.

[sweetpotato]

66. Murdoch is minute

in an historical perspective, you know.

[Rex]

70. Shows his complete ignorance of history.

Stupid fuckwads never learn anything from past misdeeds, that is why they become rich assholes that waste money helping other fukwads control The People.

We might not be remembered, but you will asshole. Sleep well.