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Cafe Americano Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:16 AM
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Bush worried about Latin leftists, ban lifted on military training in Latin America
Edited on Sat Nov-11-06 12:21 AM by Cafe Americano
"Concern about leftist victories in Latin America has prompted President Bush to quietly grant a waiver that allows the United States to resume training militaries from 11 Latin American and Caribbean countries," USA TODAY's Barbara Slavin reports today. "The administration hopes the training will forge links with countries in the region and blunt a leftward trend."

The training ban, "originally designed to pressure countries into exempting U.S. soldiers from war crimes trials," has caused the United States to lose influence in the region, military officials tell Slavin.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/11/us_to_lift_ban_.html

I don't know why but this worries me. The last time the US had much influence in Latin affairs it coincided with many atrocities. Some of which Gates will have to discuss if he wants to be Sec of Def.
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:22 AM
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Nothing could EVER go wrong with that
:eyes:
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:22 AM
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1. Oh Jesus. School of the Americas, anyone? -eom
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lcordero2 Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:25 AM
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2. That's going to drive America Latina further leftward.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 11:46 AM
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31. That's the bright side of this story.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:25 AM
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3. Very timely. The annual vigil to protest the School
of the Americas is in one week. Every year it draws record numbers. Last year 19,000.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:26 AM
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4. That's why Daniel Ortega is back leading Nicaragua.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:29 AM
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5. Expect increased activity at Paraguay's Mariscal Estigarribia air base, too
Paraguay is already on board with the war crimes exemption, and the U.S.-financed mercenary armies need a place to train out of sight - Paraguay is tailor made for this requirement.

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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:31 AM
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6. Once again, Mr. Danger does exactly the wrong thing for America.
:silly::crazy:
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:12 AM
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14. Yeah, I don't think it will be like the 1980s-- for one thing...
Edited on Sat Nov-11-06 01:48 AM by kenny blankenship
Latin America has had enough of our meddling in their political destinies and choices. There has been a respite in that starting in the Clinton years (not perfect, but better than Reagan-Bush) and during that time a lot of development has taken place. For another thing, our intertwining with that region is far more advanced now in every way than before. We might not be able to have "secret" wars down there today and expect it to stay contained to the victim country like we could in the 80s. There are a lot more Latin American nationals and expats here in this country now too. There's a lot of traffic over the borders daily. It used to be rigidly compartmentalized and now it's a lot more fluid. A "secret" war down there could spill over onto our cities. It could also set fire to Mexico, a country that is already smoking in various places, which if it caught fire would definitely burn our asses up here! (Of course, the wars of the 1980s were not at all secret to the Latin American victims, only hidden to the oblivious American citizens who funded them--that ability to keep it hidden and quiet won't happen again.) We could develop a problem with Latin American terrorism waged against our war policies--a problem on our American soil--like the one we worry about so much with Muslims and Arabs.
It's one thing for the United States to be pantsshitting paranoid about Muslims (and Muslim Terrorists) who are rather few in number in our hemisphere. It's really a mountain made from a molehill. However, if we were to stumble, through more of Bushler's idiocy, into a situation where we are also suddenly seeing Latin American Terrorists behind every bush or hotdog stand, this country will flat-out cease to function.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 07:31 AM
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22. You're absolutely right
Our involvement down there could end up with bombs going in places like Los Angeles, Phoenix, Houston, Chicago, Las Vegas. This is not the right way to go.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:39 AM
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7. It should scare the sh!t out of all of us. This is how we wound up
with al Qaida, isn't it?

You know all those undocumented workers coming here? They're coming here in part because their attempts at democratic government keeps getting screwed up by BushCo et al. And one way they do it is to train and hire mercs to combat democracy -- sorry, I mean, "leftists".

We have to stop this.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:40 AM
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8. Countries looking after their own down-trodden citizens -> US military response???
That is so unbalanced. It's sick.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:05 AM
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13. Yes. We call it "the Monroe Doctrine" n/t
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 11:55 AM
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32. Except it has become the "Jm J. Bullock Doctrine."
Think about it...



Monroe
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:42 AM
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9. C-SPAN today someone discussing this said 12 co's., and
China somehow was also involved. I was busy when I heard it, and quite frankly didn't have the fore-knowledge to understand the conversation. The interviewee was saying the Admin. was concerned about the Leftist movement in SA and had authorized the military to re engage in training for 12 SA co.

I wanted to post about this earlier, but, I don't have the prerequisite knowledge to understand the conversation. It was on C-SPAN, perhaps the Bloomberg correspondent?
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:55 AM
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12. about what time today?
I'm trying to track it down. :)
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:58 AM
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16. It was on Washington Journal. That should help you. It was the
guest, possibly Bloomberg that discussed it!
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 03:36 AM
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19. China has been talking to leaders
Edited on Sat Nov-11-06 03:38 AM by Viva_La_Revolution
and training people in several South American countries

all these things popping up at once. Gates, and the whole Iran-contra thing...

:popcorn:

starts at 49:35

http://www.c-span.org/
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:51 AM
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10. Fire up the death squads jr.!
you're going to hell anyway, why not kill off a few little brown democracies, just for fun.

:mad:



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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:54 AM
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11. Could this have anything to do with
the thousands of acres bush bought in Paraguay?
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:56 PM
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39. Probably. Remember it's ALWAYS about money with those people...
no doubt they'll make a fast buck on some enterprise a Bush family member will start. Perhaps his bro can add military training camps to his government contracts, along with millions for the software relateding to NCLB? It's always money.. always.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:17 AM
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15. K&R
good grief...this is horrible.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 02:00 AM
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17. Why would those countries allow their militaries to be trained
by a foreign country that's hostile to their governments? We certainly wouldn't allow our military personell to be trained by Russia or China. I really don't understand how this works.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 03:10 AM
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18. Bozo has an attention span of about a minute and a half:
"Let's get Osama! Shit, Afghanistan is boring! Let's invade Iraq! Shit, Iraq is boring! Let's kidnap Aristide! Shit, Haiti is boring! What's going on in Iraq? Bo-o-ring! How about Syria? How about Iran? Shit, Iraq is boring! North Korea, anybody? Mushroom clouds in Iran? Iraq is so fuckin boring! Omigosh, everybody, look at all those leftists in Central America!"
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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 04:00 AM
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20. What a surprise
And Negroponte being head of this ridiculous National intelligence department gives him free reign to fund the death squads again with our tax dollars. I want all these treasonous bastards subpoenad, charged , convicted and locked away for their crimes against humanity. Our story here at DU will become the mainstream if Kucinich, Waxman and the like are allowed to do their job starting in January.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 06:56 AM
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21. This is how the fascists here strengthen the fascists there, to kill ordinary
people, peasants and leftists (majorityists) who have successfully asserted the rights of the people in Latin America to benefit from their own resources and determine their own fates, or who MIGHT do so.

And, yes, this is extremely worrisome. Bushites/Corporatists HATE democracy in general, and they particularly hate it in Latin America, where US global corporate predators have had free reign to loot and rape the natural resources in collusion with fascist elites, with US military/CIA enforcement (death squads like those run by the Iran/Contra murderers--Negroponte et al--assassination of democratic leaders, military coups, heinous dictators).

An extraordinary, peaceful, democratic, leftist (majorityist) revolution has swept through Latin America--while the Bush Junta has been busy looting the U.S. and destroying Iraq to get at its oil--with popular leftist governments elected in Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Venezuela and Bolivia, and strong leftist movements, likely to win elections in Ecuador (soon) and Peru (next cycle). The common themes are justice for the vast poor of Latin America (history of brutalization and exploitation by the rich), national and regional self-determination, anti-U.S. "war on drugs" (war against peasants and leftists) and other interference, and anti-U.S./World Bank/IMF policies (privatization of resources; crippling loans, with onerous terms, such as defunding education and other social programs, and opening your country to resource rape by U.S. and other global corporate predators; the loans are often associated with corruption, the rich steal off the top and toady to U.S. and other interests in exchange).

A good example of the revolution is Argentina, whose economy and society was nearly destroyed by the World Bank/IMF, and the corrupt governments that took the big loans. There was a popular uprising, with the poor and the middle class joining forces and going around with tiny hammers and breaking every bank ATM display window in the country. Three governments later--in quick succession--they finally got a good left/center government which promised to get Argentina out of World Bank debt, and never to get into such debt again. With help from Venezuela, which bought up some of the debt on easy terms, Argentina is now recovering and all indicators are up. Argentina's economy has gotten so strong, in fact, that they are in discussions with Brazil about a regional currency (like the euro--to get off the dollar).

Another example is Bolivia. Bechtel Corp. privatized the water in one Bolivian city and then jacked up the prices to the poorest of the poor, even charging poor peasants for collecting rainwater! Another popular uprising. The Bolivians threw Bechtel out of their country, and elected socialist Evo Morales, the first indigenous president of Bolivia. Morales campaigned with a wreath of coca leaves around this neck (sacred plant of the Andes, essential to survival in the icy cold, thin mountain air), and opposes the US "war on drugs" (highly corrupt militarization of the issue, brutal repression of extremely poor people). He also wants to nationalize Bolivia's large gas reserves. Thousands of Andes Indians came down out of the mountains to perform a special ceremony to honor Morales' inauguration.

It is Evo Morales who has said: "The time of the people has come."

It is remarkable to see pictures of Chavez, Morales and Ollanta Humala (leftist candidate in Peru who came close to winning). All BROWN faces, leaders of their countries. Latin America is MOSTLY brown--yet we are used to seeing white European faces in the news, as presidents and ambassadors. Chavez is mixed indigenous, black and Spanish. Morales is pure 100% Andes Indian, as is Humala. Indigenous indians have been the bottom of the heap of Latin America's previously very unjust societies and economies--the most exploited, the most disregarded and despised. Their hero is the great revolutionary leader Simon Bolivar, who led the revolt against Spain and freed the slaves, and who dreamt of a "United States of South America" (but died too young to realize it). Hugo Chavez presented Simon Bolivar's sword to Evo Morales when he was elected. Chavez and others call their movement the Bolivarian Revolution. Empowerment of the poor (the majority). Regional cooperation and self-determination.

Morales is right ("the time of the people has come"). Justice for the poor. Democracy. Majority rule. Every time it has arisen in Latin America, it has been smashed--by the "land of the free, home of the brave." But THIS revolution feels very different from previous ones. One of its bases has been TRANSPARENT elections--the long hard work of the OAS, the Carter Center, EU election monitoring groups, and local civic groups. Another is peacefulness. It has a spiritual dimension, very akin to Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement (also a product of "the land of the free, home of brave"--our good side).

The Bush Junta wants to impose brutal military power on the beautiful, tolerant, brown-skinned people of the Andes and their democracy movement. And our Corporate cabal lusts to have free reign to steal their oil, gas, mineral reserves, timber and other resources, and to enslave them in sweatshops and mines. The Latin Americans are at last, EFFECTIVELY, and peacefully and democratically resisting. It is a very powerful and, I think, unstoppable movement. However, that doesn't mean that the Junta cannot wreak havoc upon these countries, with more coup attempts, brutalization and interference.

This revolution is also occurring in Mexico (where only massive election fraud could keep it out of power), and in Nicaragua (Ortega getting elected), and had a fitful start in Haiti (which the Bushites destroyed). It covers virtually the whole continent of South America, but there are some remnant dinosaur states, like Columbia and Paraguay. The Bushites have poured military resources into Columbia ($600 million this year alone) in the name of the "war on drugs" (typical Bushite hypocrisy). Paraguay has a very weak government, 'easy pickins' for the Bushites, and Plan Columbia forces are already on the move in Paraguay. US taxpayers have paid for a state-of-the-art US military air base in Paraguay. And Paraguay is where the Bush Cartel is purchasing a 200,000 acre private enclave, more than likely the launching pad for a private corporate war against neighboring democracies (like Bolivia).

Possibly this is where Rumsfeld is headed. They haven't created enough death and destruction and chaos in the Middle East. They now feel they have to "reclaim" Latin America for the Corporate Rulers. But one of the things that most worries me about these developments is that most of the Democrats in the new U.S. Congress are ALSO Corporatists, and are also hogtied to military spending. They are not at all a strong bulwark against U.S. interference in Latin America. They almost all owe their power to the rightwing corporations who now control our elections with TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code in all the new electronic voting systems--code so secret that not even our secretaries of state are permitted to review. By this means, and many others, our Corporate Rulers have shaped a U.S. Congress that does not really even come close to reflecting the majority of North Americans--SEVENTY PERCENT of whom oppose Bush's war on Iraq, for instance. The Democrats' opposition to the war has been, at best, tepid. We have a long way yet to go to restore democracy HERE. Many of these Congressional Democrats voted for our taxpayer dollars to be poured into Venezuelan elections, on the side of the rich oil elite (against Chavez), in violation of Venezuelan law! They WANT the corporations and the rich to win. We North American leftists (majorityists) have a bit more say with the Democratic Party leadership, but not much.

It is an issue that we must get on--if we don't want to see another Reagan/Iran-Contra era, with liberal bishops slain on their altars, bodies of raped and murdered nuns on the roadside, teachers and mayors slaughtered for their politics, more coup attempts, torture, and death, and democracy under siege throughout the southern hemisphere.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 07:58 AM
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24. Bush brought a large number of Reagan's Iran/Contra ghouls into his own regime.
I'd almost want to avoid seeing the actual number: I'm sure it's a LOT larger than people realize. Some of them, like Elliott Abrams, have kept a very low profile, but have deadly personal histories.

The fact he was able to simply place so many of these thugs in his administration is undoubtedly due to the fact most Americans have simply been too caught up in their own personal lives to pay much attention to what very little information has trickled through over the years about our right-wing Presidents' wars against Latin American and Caribbean citizens, and the complicit corporate media never felt morally obligated to keep Americans informed on what their elected (?) officials were doing.

If it hadn't been for occassional courageous people daring to apply for FOIA information, we'd STILL all be totally in the dark about it all.

Many of those authors and administrators of dark, evil history against Latin American citizens are back and doing well in the Bush world. It has been my deep fear since Bush stole office that it has ALWAYS been his intention to spill a LOT of Latin American blood before he is due to leave office, just like Eisenhower, Reagan, and his dear papa. I think he'd feel his "manhood" was impugned unless he can kill a lot of them, too. What a hideous shame. I pray he will not find a way to pull it off, but there's nothing in his character that would lead anyone to believe he'll do the right thing.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:01 AM
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25. The reasons he got away with letting these killer thugs crawl out
from under their rocks and back into Washington are 1) The American people are so damn stupid they don't know what these people have done in the past and what they were brought back to do now; 2) The American people are so damn stupid that they have no real clue what the neocons are about. Ask the average man/woman on the street who Leo Strauss is. Don't be surprised at the blank look and the 'HUH?' answer; 3) They are too damn lazy to take the time and fulfill their duty as a citizen to educate themselves on the working of their government and what their up to; and 4) There are a lot of truly stupid people who believe that either America would not do anything like the documented crimes committed during the Nixon/Reagan/Poopy years or that, even if America did, it's all for the good of America and therefor the good of humanity everywhere because we are Number One.
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 11:56 AM
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34. Thank you for a most informative post.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:15 PM
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49. Excellent description of the true nature of capitalism
and how it victimizes people around the world.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 07:36 AM
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23. Awww geeze
That fucking bastard. That fucking fucking bastard.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:11 AM
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26. K&R ... This is why we need impeachment. He still has too much power!
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:31 AM
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27. Much more information here on the military waivers and the Paraguay land buy by BFEE
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:38 AM
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28. Yeah, W cuz losing 2 wars is not enough, Stir s* somewhere else too!
Geez, do they want to set the whole world on fire all at once? So little time, so much killing to do! Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and now Latin America? Hey, W! You missed a spot!
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Loisenman Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 11:25 AM
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29. Very worrisome indeed.
It doesn't pass the smell test. Also, apparently the Bush family has bought land in Paraguay. Perhaps they are planning a continent wide coup for the future. Sorry, my rational mind says forget it, but I learned with Nixon that one's worst paranoia is sometimes not enough.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 11:31 AM
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30. While US troops are decimated in neocon wars on the other side of the planet
a red tide has been sweeping Latin America.

The collapse of the American empire is inevitable, all Bush did was to expedite the end.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 11:56 AM
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33. It is not his business.
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NOLADEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 11:57 AM
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35. More proof George Sr. is in charge again
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:58 PM
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40. GHWB still receives daily CIA briefings. Yeah, just so he'll *stay on top of things.*
Posted on another thread, but applicable here as well:


FAHRENHEIT 9/11: George H. W. Bush receives daily CIA briefings.

* "One of the people who corresponded with Wilson is George H. W. Bush, the only president to have been head of the C.I.A.-- he still receives regular briefings from Langley." Vicky Ward, “Double Exposure,” Vanity Fair, January 2004.

* Former President Bush has made efforts to keep abreast of foreign affairs, partly by exercising his right to be briefed by CIA personnel about developments around the globe. Ha'aretz, “George Bush Sr. Vouches for Son's Support of Israel to the Saudis”, July 16, 2001.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/index.php?id=19






Now, with the Neocons' influence being stripped away, Junior is now acting as the front man for a *new and improved* set of handlers, hiding in the shadows of IranContra.... the all-powerful BFEE: Poppy, James A. Baker III, Gates, North, Negroponte, Bolton, etc. Wonder what Porter Goss is up to these days?

Clinton didn't investigate these ba$tard$ after he took office in 1992.

And now we are facing a resurrected, more virulent nest of mutant criminals that are hell bent on destroying everything on our planet, in the name of violent, orgasmic orgies of omnipotent power, control, greed and death.




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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:07 PM
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36. Bush/Cheney created this huge leftest turn. Can Bush fight the whole world?
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 02:15 PM
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41. I don't agree with that. Countries around the world were inevitably going to
elect leaders more loyal to their citizens than to Wall St.

It doesn't matter who the US President is or was.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:09 PM
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37. Bush never learns
The harder he fights, the stronger his enemies become. He's a damn fool.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:55 PM
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38. Well.. fuck.. January can't come fast enough, Bush is busy dismantling!!!
He's trying to sneak through everything he can all at once.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 02:24 PM
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42. Depresses the
real estate values of the property he and Moon bought eh.;)
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 06:10 PM
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43. Actually I can understand the need to do this...
You see the Bushies are getting ready to flee to Paraguay and they must first feather the nest/region with their fascist thugs.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:20 PM
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44. I hope Russia and China offer military training.
Multipolarization is crucial. The militaries must be led by progressives like in Venezuela.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:25 AM
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45. Kick to spread the word. n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:35 AM
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46. Come on January!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:20 AM
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47. This may be good. (nt)
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:54 AM
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48. Hopefully a Dem president in '08 remove * 's executive order
sealing Poppy's papers and we get to see just what the BFEE is all about. The pig farm will be sold sometime in the next two years and there will be a direct flight from DC to Paraguay in Jan 09.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-13-06 11:59 AM
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50. Bush wants to open that can of worms?
He's obviously not happy with commie leaders not only in Cuba, but now in Venuzala and Nicarauga. Not that I think communism is a good thing, but in both the latter cases, the leaders were elected by the people-I definitely think we should avoid involvement in that type of situation.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-13-06 04:18 PM
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51. what's the problem with a War Crime or two in Latin America??
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