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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:19 AM
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Neoconservatives: New Bush Advisers Will Raise White Flag in Middle East

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,229159,00.html

Neoconservatives: New Bush Advisers Will Raise White Flag in Middle East

WASHINGTON — President Bush's nomination of Robert Gates to be secretary of defense and other recent administration moves have raised concerns and even open disdain among some members of the "neo-conservative" wing of the Republican Party, the president's most ardent war supporters.

The neo-cons say installing Gates, a career CIA analyst who served as the agency's director for two years under President George H.W. Bush, takes the administration one step closer toward repudiation of the once hailed "Bush Doctrine."

"What's happening here is essentially the end of the administration as we've known it," said Frank Gaffney, head of the Center for Security Policy and neo-conservative commentator.

"Pretty clearly, it signals a return to the 'Bush 41' policy," said Kenneth Timmerman, who heads the Foundation for the Democracy of Iran, which he founded with other prominent neo-conservatives in 1995.

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:29 AM
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1. Ding dong, the neocons are dead
And W is in charge without a clue.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 07:30 AM
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14. Neocons will never die as long as evil exists in the world. n/t
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:31 AM
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2. "the end of the administration as we've known it" . . .
best news I could imagine since, well, last Tuesday . . .
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lakercub Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:38 AM
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3. Bush lost Perle too
If he loses all his supporters, it is going to get a whole lot tougher for him to stonewall investigations. I'd love to see the neocons splinter as a group, while leaving Bush utterly defenseless.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 09:29 AM
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16. He won't be defenseless.
Notice that Poppy's people have moved in to prop up his failing pResidency?

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:39 AM
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4. Blah, blah, blah.
Why is anyone even talking to these creeps?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:40 AM
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5. So Bush 41 got his 2nd term after all?
This is atrocious. But if it means the end of the NEO-NAZI CONS...well?
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:44 AM
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6. Actually, I think they both will have had 6 years.
Maybe thinking of it in these terms helps W. sleep at night.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:46 AM
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7. Well, they can both share a cell at the Hague
then I'll sleep better at night.

:mad: :mad:
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:32 AM
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12. My thoughts exactly!
Crossed my mind as i was driving home today. So they both sorta get their second term, I guess it's nice to share. Hopefully very soon we can declare victory, under cover of the Iraq Study Group's new outline and get the troops moving homeward.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:23 AM
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8. Hang em high
ala El Duce.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:01 AM
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9. From horror to just scary
Isn't this going to be great. And we have to go through the bullshit Poppy pile of shit before we can even begin discussing a real strategy to get out of there. *sigh*
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:21 AM
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10. and what's wrong with being a "realist"?
But others say they are taking a wait-and-see approach before writing off the president as a "realist" convert.


It's one thing to point to a "pie in the sky" - however to get that pie, you have to build a REAL ladder
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:22 AM
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11. tsk tsk. Take a hike to a bog neocons! We lost a LONG time ago.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 06:13 AM
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13. Pop open the champagne.
And go fuck yourself Gaffney.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:06 PM
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20. I was going to say "SHUT THE FUCK UP, gaffney." But I like yours, too!
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 12:07 PM by calimary
This asshole and kristol and adelman and perle and the rest of 'em need to SHUT UP and go sit down over there in the corner facing the wall. And STAY there.

We've heard all we need to hear from these schmucks. They were WRONG. HORRIBLY wrong. Their ideas sucked. Their recommendations stunk. Their results speak for themselves - staggeringly ABYSMAL. I think we've heard MORE than enough from these jerks. We've tried it their way, and look where we are. The proof is in the pudding, thankyouverymuch, and the pudding tastes and smells like absolute SHIT.

Feh! :grr:
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 09:17 AM
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15. The neocons ought to do the world a favor
and go hang themselves en masse.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 09:53 AM
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17. Does anyone know what the "Bush Doctrine" is?
And honestly, since that group was the one who came up with this brilliant Iraq invasion plan, how can they talk with their mouths so full of crow?
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 09:59 AM
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18. Give them a rifle and let them stay in Iraq.
Keep repeating it back to them: "Go get a rifle and go and stay in Iraq . . . "
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 11:27 AM
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19. When you lose a war
The white flag is the right flag to raise.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:15 PM
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21. Paleo-Cons are telling the Neo-Cons: YOU'RE PWN3D!!!
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 02:16 PM by Odin2005
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:24 PM
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22. I say, if the neocons want to fight a war, let 'em!
With their own blood and their own money.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:32 PM
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23. If the neo-CONS like this war so much..............
they should sign up their own sons to go fight it.

left of cool
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:53 PM
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24. A white flag?
as opposed to just raising an empty stick like Bush is doing now.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 09:51 PM
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27. Yeah it is a lame FOX News editorialisation
Anything less than war is surrender.
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wholetruth00 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 07:54 PM
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25. Well, it's aout damn time!!!
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 07:59 PM
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26. Lord I hope. /nt
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